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[Men_in_Boxes]

PVE doesn't need to just be a "bunny hill", it could be a legit mode with varied enemies, bosses, raids, etc

Then they should just make Destiny 3.

Marathon should be for their PvP audience.

 

[The_Mike]

which stage of grief is this?

 

[wreckyat]

I realised i only enjoyed the game while I wasn't sober.

That's when I decided not to go through with buying it, because it was a game I just enjoyed because my mind was absent and nothing else.

 

[Ceadeus]

Subscription based video games seem to be less and less trending. People might be sick of paying to get a timed bomb in their ass for competing against each other for skins that tells other how better they are.

 

[clarky]

I disagree with most if your suggestions.

For starters Cryo has been out a week and you don't know the layout. Just like you hated Stella Montis until you didn't.

You change your mind more often than I change my undies and thats around twice a week.

 

[diffusionx]

Cryo is awesome, so not sure what you on about there. Maybe an Easy and Hard mode for it would help. It needs to be more accessible for normal people. The boss anyway. Ive extracted on my first time, but it was lucky as shit.

But some of the other stuff you mentioned can be used. Keep the blood. Its good to spot and shows signs.
I dont need more music in the game, the sound and music is good.


-A PVE map with optional PVP zones like the Lockdowns in Dire Marsh etc would be good. Its simple to do for Bungie. You get less Rare loot, but will let people do PVE, and dab in PVP if they want to stay in or go the lockdown zone. So they can do this with Perimeter and DireMarsh, and a new map.

-Training mode. Solo or crews. PVE, check the map out, die, respawn, play, no loot. People get to try the top gear they find and enjoy it here before losing it lol

-Beginner mode for people lower than level 10. Get 1 self revive, can use dcon to extract items before exfil, PVE with Ai runners. Gets beginners use to the game, solo and crews

-Easy and Hard Cryo modes.

-Make Proxy better. Maybe be able to communication to people close by, or the whole map. Theres been some good times, people in proxy linked up. I didnt even know the med drone can be picked up. Its my sign of a truce lol

- Announce Destiny 3 to stop those haters. We all know there making it, might as-well say it.

- A story campaign tying in the last trilogy to current Marathon. Doesnt even have to be long. 1.5/3 hours. Can be played offline.

- After that they get to do 30 factions Runs, (online or offline) can be against Ai runners, coop, not super loot, but lets people build vault and get use to the game before jumping into the main mode.

-And whatever else the hardcore want. Im happy with the game mostly as a casual online gamer. I'd like another map, night modes for Perimeter and Dire Marsh would be cool. Another Cryo/Marathon map soon would be great. And an easier mode for Cryo, because the route to the boss, and boss, its a tough one, especially with PVP

And maybe some kind of insurance so i can use my favourite gear a couple times before losing it, dont mind paying way more for it, I guess its psychological lol. So if your gear cost 5k, you pay 25k to use it 2/3 times.

The game is easier during the weekend, when pro's are playing ranked and cryo. So some better match making in the week would be cool. Im having much more equal gunfights and getting alot done with factions and map side missions, both solo and crew since ranked started.

So in other words, make The Division, something I said right when it came out and got blasted for saying it.

Of course this is correct. There's just not enough here and it's all super sweaty and niche. There was no way this was going to work. Look at what Sony just did releasing a fully featured multiplayer mode for Yotei that quite frankly seems to be in the same league content wise as Marathon, is also attached to a 50 hour game, and has better cosmetics and more flexibility for difficulty and stuff. So I just wonder what the hell everyone was thinking when they decided this is good enough to ship. It's not.

 

[clarky]

I realised i only enjoyed the game while I wasn't sober.

That's when I decided not to go through with buying it, because it was a game I just enjoyed because my mind was absent and nothing else.

Things that never happened part 1.

 

[wreckyat]

Things that never happened part 1.

?

Why couldn't it happen? Not like I said I enjoyed playing the game only when I was skydiving off a car that drove off a ramp over the grand canyon.

Literally said i only enjoyed the game while I wasn't sober. How does that "never happened" in your mind?

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

I disagree with most if your suggestions.

Which one's piqued your interest?

For starters Cryo has been out a week and you don't know the layout. Just like you hated Stella Montis until you didn't.

You change your mind more often than I change my undies and thats around twice a week.

Stella Montis is the worst map in ARC Raiders. It's the most fun when all you're craving is PvP.

The true extraction maps are the maps that balance player choice, tactics, communication...which are the antithesis of Stella Montis.

Cryo Archive tastes like **** but gets good once you can discern the intricacies of fecal matter via consuming it often enough is NOT THE SALES PITCH YOU THINK IT IS!

 

[clarky]

?

Why couldn't it happen? Not like I said I enjoyed playing the game only when I was skydiving off a car that drove off a ramp over the grand canyon.

Literally said i only enjoyed the game while I wasn't sober. How does that "never happened" in your mind?

If you can enjoy one if the most sweatiest pvp games to come out in the last twenty years when your pissed then you must be some sort of gaming god when sober.

 

[lughnasadh123]

The framework of the game is really good to add modes to like a solo extraction mode against bots, pve coop, or even a more casual mode that you keep what you die with but can't use that character to join other hardcore modes.

 

[clarky]

So I just wonder what the hell everyone was thinking when they decided this is good enough to ship. It's not.

It has some issues but as you know i heavily disagree with you.

I fail to see why you think it wasn't ready to ship. It does exactly what it set it to do. Why it's not very popular is another discussion but it is absolutely a finished product.

You just don't like it and that's fine.

 

[Kokoloko85]

[/QUOTE]

So in other words, make The Division, something I said right when it came out and got blasted for saying it.

Of course this is correct. There's just not enough here and it's all super sweaty and niche. There was no way this was going to work. Look at what Sony just did releasing a fully featured multiplayer mode for Yotei that quite frankly seems to be in the same league content wise as Marathon, is also attached to a 50 hour game, and has better cosmetics and more flexibility for difficulty and stuff. So I just wonder what the hell everyone was thinking when they decided this is good enough to ship. It's not.

I havent played Yotei Legends yet, but I think the nature of the competitive ness of this game and its combat brings a different replayability.
I always said they should release their MP games with a single player/campaign etc. Even if its small.

-Factions 2, should come with TLOU3 like Yotei and Legends etc. and TLOU1 and Uncharted games.
-Spiderverse game with Spiderman 3
-Marathon Remake should of come with this game. Would of made everyone happy. Even if it was a campaign recap of the trilogy plus some levels to tie in the current to the previous trilogy

But thats obvious Hindsight and we cant change that. Many people said that, especially as PS studio.

I dont exactly want the Division. Im happy with the current extraction game, but they should add the PVE/ pvp zone option for Perimeter and Dire Marsh. Plus a training mode for both those stages. But still keep the current game and future maps.

They could also easily add some "missions" against PVE and Ai runenrs to get people use to the game. Single player and coop.
I'd say they should announce Marathon remake and D3 to kill alot of the hate. Marathon can be an IP they work on and branch out

The core game is great, its an niche extraction shooter, but its too hard for alot of people. Thats why they need to cater to some casuals without killing the current game and loop. I dont want that changed

 

[Signalis]

 

[diffusionx]

It has some issues but as you know i heavily disagree with you.

I fail to see why you think it wasn't ready to ship. It does exactly what it set it to do. Why it's not very popular is another discussion but it is absolutely a finished product.

You just don't like it and that's fine.

It's a finished game mode, that a very small number of people like and there is no chance of making its money back.

That's the problem. The base gameplay is good, but when you drop $250 million on a live service game it needs to appeal to a lot of people and be sustainable long term.

 

[Chuck Berry]

NeoGAF, don't you ruin this thread. Some of us actually enjoy discussing game design. Keep your tomfoolery to the threads where it's permitted.

Cope level cap has now been increased

 

[Edgelord79]

Does it need saving? Has there been indication from Sony it will be shut down?

 

[Kokoloko85]

The game is also scoring better than I thought (81) and better than Destiny did at 76. User scores obviously show its a good gameplay and mechanics and Bungie hasnt missed there.

Its just not for everyone. Let it be and hopefully they will carry on with there plan, plus add in some optional modes for casuals and more people to get use to it

Marathon Reviews - Metacritic

A massive ghost ship hangs in low orbit over a lost colony. The 30,000 souls who called this world home have disappeared without a trace. Strange signals hint at rumors of mysterious artifacts, long-dormant AI, and troves of untold riches. You are a cybernetic mercenary - a Runner - and your...

www.metacritic.com

 

[diffusionx]

NeoGAF, don't you ruin this thread. Some of us actually enjoy discussing game design. Keep your tomfoolery to the threads where it's permitted.

The game isn't going to get to 100k concurrent players or sell a million copies with a few gameplay tweaks.

 

[clarky]

It's a finished game mode, that a very small number of people like and there is no chance of making its money back.

That's the problem. The base gameplay is good, but when you drop $250 million on a live service game it needs to appeal to a lot of people and be sustainable long term.

Thats not my problem.

Not sure what idiot thought it was a good idea to spend 250 million dollars on a hardcore extraction shooter but thats what they did, and they did it very well.

It is what it is. Its scalable enough to reduce the team size and earn a reasonable income if they choose to do so. They'll never get the initial investment back but like i said who give a shit? If it shuts down in 6 months or a year it'll be a damn shame as its a brilliant extraction game, not a mode.

 

[wreckyat]

If you can enjoy one if the most sweatiest pvp games to come out in the last twenty years when your pissed then you must be some sort of gaming god when sober.

Lmao I just played during the server slam, like every day it was available. And no, I wasn't doing well at all. But i really enjoyed just going back out and trying my luck over and over and over.

It was fun while the high lasted ‍♂

 

[Guilty_AI]

12. Explode Tau Ceti and re-release the game 9 months later under the rebrand:
"Marathon - Durandal reborn"

 

[Kokoloko85]

The game isn't going to get to 100k concurrent players or sell a million copies with a few gameplay tweaks.

Why not, games like FF14 made great comebacks. This wont reach that because its alot more niche, but they can easily add a few things to help.
Plus if they keep with the Ip and release some remakes, it could bring in more players. Its up to them, but they made a good game. Just very unforgiving and competitive.

This was never meant to be Destiny 3, its there hardcore game. But Im guessing they thought it would do better.

 

[diffusionx]

Why not, games like FF14 made great comebacks. This wont reach that because its alot more niche, but they can easily add a few things to help.
Plus if they keep with the Ip and release some remakes, it could bring in more players. Its up to them, but they made a good game. Just very unforgiving and competitive.

This was never meant to be Destiny 3, its there hardcore game. But Im guessing they thought it would do better.

FF14 was redesigned and remade entirely from scratch

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

Imagine paying 3.6 billion for this game and destiny which is also dying

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

Why not, games like FF14 made great comebacks. This wont reach that because its alot more niche, but they can easily add a few things to help.
Plus if they keep with the Ip and release some remakes, it could bring in more players. Its up to them, but they made a good game. Just very unforgiving and competitive.

This was never meant to be Destiny 3, its there hardcore game. But Im guessing they thought it would do better.

Because a game like FF14 appealed to the masses, this appeals to a teeny tiny audience

 

[Guilty_AI]

13. Drop Marathon entirely and go back to playing the real Marathon

 

[Von Hugh]

12: Make a game that is appealing and people actually want to play

 

[ViciousAgenda]

Why are you posting this on a forum where the vast majority of the users want the game dead

 

[Guardian Monkey]

Does it need saving? Has there been indication from Sony it will be shut down?

No, not going anywhere.

 

[clarky]

Why are you posting this on a forum where the vast majority of the users want the game dead

Yep. It's like asking a bunch of women how they'd make Peter Sutcliffe more appealing.

 

[diffusionx]

Thats not my problem.

Not sure what idiot thought it was a good idea to spend 250 million dollars on a hardcore extraction shooter but thats what they did, and they did it very well.

It is what it is. Its scalable enough to reduce the team size and earn a reasonable income if they choose to do so. They'll never get the initial investment back but like i said who give a shit? If it shuts down in 6 months or a year it'll be a damn shame as its a brilliant extraction game, not a mode.

Sure it's your problem, if they shut down the game or stop updating it you are the one who is hurt by that, Whereas if they built out a full featured game that drew in a large audience there would be no worry.

 

[Hugare]

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

The game isn't going to get to 100k concurrent players or sell a million copies with a few gameplay tweaks.

The nature of Live Service is too unpredictable to make such a claim.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

It's like asking a bunch of women how they'd make Peter Sutcliffe more appealing.

I guarantee you nobody at Bungie has this mentality. The current state of the game does not have to be the final state of the game. Live Service is about building before release AND after release.

 

[Kokoloko85]

Because a game like FF14 appealed to the masses, this appeals to a teeny tiny audience

Yes and thats why I said not as big. This isnt a MMO. But it can make a small improvements, especially if they add options to the game that dont ruin the core game and distrupt what the fanbase loves.

They have a good game. And the combat and gunfights are amazing. Just either ends in enjoyment or agony. Its harsher than souls or some roquelikes.
It can be called one of the best extraction shooters, they done a fine job, but it doesnt appeal and is frustrating to alot of people. And thats why its a niche genre.

Like I said before, they can make some small changes to be more appealing without killing the core game and fanbase. PVE maps for perimeter and diremarsh with pvp lockdowns. And some single player/coop runs against ai bots and pve. Training mode etc. Or if they want to really invest, make a small campaign tying the old games to this.

I hope they keep to their word and stick to the game because its great and the IP has potential to branch out to more

 

[Hugare]

The nature of Live Service is too unpredictable to make such a claim.

Any example of a live service game that has exploded in popularity some months from launch?

Cant think of one

 

[PeteBull]

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

Yes and thats why I said not as big. This isnt a MMO. But it can make a small improvements, especially if they add options to the game that dont ruin the core game and distrupt what the fanbase loves.

They have a good game. And the combat and gunfights are amazing. Just either ends in enjoyment or agony. Its harsher than souls or some roquelikes.
It can be called one of the best extraction shooters, they done a fine job, but it doesnt appeal and is frustrating to alot of people. And thats why its a niche genre.

Like I said before, they can make some small changes to be more appealing without killing the core game and fanbase. PVE maps for perimeter and diremarsh with pvp lockdowns. And some single player/coop runs against ai bots and pve. Training mode etc. Or if they want to really invest, make a small campaign tying the old games to this.

I hope they keep to their word and stick to the game because its great and the IP has potential to branch out to more

But to me they don't have a good game, so it's why it's failing. As I said before the fans like the game which is fine, and to them it's a good game but to me it's not, it's ugly, it's weird and not in a good weird I love weird shit but not like this, it's way to nonstop sweaty I don't need that shit.. I explained it before I have many hard platinums, accomplished plenty in harder pvp environments I don't run from challenging games but on same note I don't run at them it is of no appeal to me.

But that's my stance and seems many others stances, it's just not a good game in our minds and the numbers to me I feel show more feel that way.

Good games have no issue getting the numbers, so they'd already be there if they were.

This game for me honestly is so ugly I couldn't even fathom wasting time in it, that's just me tho.. It's a harsh opinion but it's my opinion. Cool factor and cool guns, characters etc.. Is a huge reason I love to game that game is the ugliest game I can think of in the last 15 20 years or more

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Any example of a live service game that has exploded in popularity some months from launch?

Cant think of one

Go to Steam and look at the top 10 most played games on the platform. Then go look at what their numbers were when they initially launched.

I don't think Marathon has Fortnite level potential because it's DNA is too niche, but f*** outta here if you think it can't stop the bleeding and modestly grow over the next year or two.

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

Does it need saving? Has there been indication from Sony it will be shut down?

There's been questions as to what the minimum CCU is for this game to stay alive

sony doesnt need to come out and say that they'll take the game offline if the CCU drops below a certain point but that's common sense

I'm curious what people think the bare minimum CCU needed is to keep this game online

It's not free to run and is yet to be profitable

 

[Kokoloko85]

Any example of a live service game that has exploded in popularity some months from launch?

Cant think of one

FF14.
Games can make comebacks like No Mans Sky, but this is more niche so popularity wont be as big. But it can improve.

If 60-100k people are probably playing at peak daily with steam and consoles combined, and outside of peak there are people playing. It can grow a bit more potentially if they add some optional modes. Dont quote me lol. Most people cant do cryo and the boss, Bungie need to think about making easier and harder modes for cryo, they can cater to both.

It can go the other way but the hardcore and some casuals MP gamers like myself will still be playing as long as they keep it around and drop stuff

 

[Guardian Monkey]

 

[clarky]

Sure it's your problem, if they shut down the game or stop updating it you are the one who is hurt by that, Whereas if they built out a full featured game that drew in a large audience there would be no worry.

Im not worried or hurt by a videogame that might cease to exist at some point in the future what makes you think that? Im not 12. I'll just play something else.

Its a fully featured extraction shooter, If you want a single player mode or campaign ir some arena shooter then just play something else, theres plenty on the market.
Have you seen how much COD costs these days to develop what you are asking for? And that is basically a reskin every year.

This is a PVPVE extraction shooter and priced accordingly. If its not for you then thats fine like i said. Personally i think its the best thing they have put out in years.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

Im not worried or hurt by a videogame that might cease to exist at some point in the future what makes you think that? Im not 12. I'll just play something else.

Its a fully featured extraction shooter, If you want a single player mode or campaign ir some arena shooter then just play something else, theres plenty on the market.
Have you seen how much COD costs these days to develop what you are asking for? And that is basically a reskin every year.

This is a PVPVE extraction shooter and priced accordingly. If its not for you then thats fine like i said. Personally i think its the best thing they have put out in years.

They stuck to the vision, made a challenging and engaging game. It isnt for everyone, it is not a single player game. PVE only would get shallow quickly, after everyone figures out the runs. That's the beauty of this, the unknown of every match is the PVP aspect.

 

[clarky]

There's been questions as to what the minimum CCU is for this game to stay alive

sony doesnt need to come out and say that they'll take the game offline if the CCU drops below a certain point but that's common sense

I'm curious what people think the bare minimum CCU needed is to keep this game online

It's not free to run and is yet to be profitable

How would anyone know that? How long is a piece of string?

The team will get reduced in size accordingly now its out for sure. To what size who knows? Ask me again in six months.

 

[clarky]

They stuck to the vision, made a challenging and engaging game. It isnt for everyone, it is not a single player game. PVE only would get shallow quickly, after everyone figures out the runs. That's the beauty of this, the unknown of every match is the PVP aspect.

Yeah but it hasn't got a single player mode ffs! Yeah no shit its a fucking hardcore extraction shooter.

What next? People asking for an RPG mode in Streetfighter 7?

 

[Kokoloko85]

But to me they don't have a good game, so it's why it's failing. As I said before the fans like the game which is fine, and to them it's a good game but to me it's not, it's ugly, it's weird and not in a good weird I love weird shit but not like this, it's way to nonstop sweaty I don't need that shit.. I explained it before I have many hard platinums, accomplished plenty in harder pvp environments I don't run from challenging games but on same note I don't run at them it is of no appeal to me.

But that's my stance and seems many others stances, it's just not a good game in our minds and the numbers to me I feel show more feel that way.

Good games have no issue getting the numbers, so they'd already be there if they were.

This game for me honestly is so ugly I couldn't even fathom wasting time in it, that's just me tho.. It's a harsh opinion but it's my opinion. Cool factor and cool guns, characters etc.. Is a huge reason I love to game that game is the ugliest game I can think of in the last 15 20 years or more

Theres many games that I dont think are good, but they score well or sell millions. Sometimes I'll know/think the actual gameplay sucks, and others times its just not for me or doenst gel with me. I hate Mario Galaxy but its great. Hades and most rogue likes arent for me.

The actual core gunplay, combat, strategies and gameplay is great in Marathon imo. So do you dislike the gunplay, combat, or the genre of extraction shooter aspect of it?
You say its ugly and weird, and thats fine. Thats a reason enough. I enjoy the lore, and look. It reminds me of the weird old PS1 ads, mixed with Black Mirror, Squid games and Mirrors Edge. Theres not another FPS that looks like it or has the atmosphere. Not the biggest fan of the character designs, but that doesnt bother me much.

And you say, its non stop sweaty, yes for sure, so Im guessing its the PVP extraction shooter part of it. And understable thats not for most people. Theres was times in RE9 with the stalker characters that I told myself, i hate this shit…. I kinda hated marathons sweaty moments at start too. But the good extracts and finishing missions gave that satifaction when you finally did it or went on a roll.

Only the last week, I feel more confident in the map, instead of sprinting into fights or running away, I can scope it for a second and see if its worth it. But still, just when you get overconfident, you get reminded you're never safe. After I hear the exfils and think, ah theres 5 mins on the map alone, and I get a bunch of stuff and extract, sometimes theres still a motherfucker that was close by.

Im not the biggest fan of challenging games or even PVP. I enjoy Fromsoft, Returnal, and can play COD pvp etc. Out of my 1000 hours of Destiny, PVP was probably 10-20% of that. But for some reason, despite me being pissed off and frustrated at times in Marathon, I prefer the PVP overall to Destiny or Cod. I can be a sneak, strategise, run away and come back lol.. And with a crew, revives and comebacks, different tactics make for some great memorable moments.

Imo, if they launched this along with a Marathon remake, announced D3 before the release and added some training mode, and PVE with PVP zones as options to the core game, there would be alot less hate, and people complaining about the extraction part. Its just people are unhappy they didnt get what they wanted. But imo, its still a top extraction game and great FPS. Im glad they made it and Im gonna play it. Right now I just want an easier Cryo, or less PVP in it, because its insanely hard for me lol

Anyway, Im off to finish some work and then guilt free be able to play for a few hours

 

[ViciousAgenda]

I don't give a shit. I've had a lot of banter and laughs with gaffers with it. Got around 50 hours of game time. If it shuts down next week, I got my money's worth. I've paid 70 bucks for games that provided way less fun.

 

[EntelechyFuff]

dp please destroy