Scalebound cancelled [Platinum Games and Kamiya have commented]
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Relaxed Muscle
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Adam Bolton ‏@Adsinjapan 4h4 hours ago
@MikeMcWhertor the news got to me in confidence as of Thurs. what I was told made me feel sick.
Now I really want to know what happened here.
@MikeMcWhertor the news got to me in confidence as of Thurs. what I was told made me feel sick.
Now I really want to know what happened here.
The Antitype
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You are one of the best modern satirests I've ever seen.
LukasTaves
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Strange that a source would put the blame on Ms non willing to compromise after platinum wasn't able to deliver all the features.
Anyway, it seems that was a development hell for both parties that they decided to end because it reached a point it would do more harm than good to keep going.
so why does sony have things like death stranding or god of war ?
ms literally has 0 games beyond whatever they announced a year ago. i get that they may save some stuff for scorpio or whatever but anyone whos following gaming can see that the current lineup of exclusives stinks
TemplaerDude
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Without all of the information available, how exactly are you or I in a better position than him to say any of that? How do you know this game wasn't an absolute mess, that the development was a complete disaster? Do you know the opposite? If so, maybe you should share those details?
I'm not making any dumb system wars comments, I just think you're getting way ahead of yourself with some of these comments. It's video games, relax. Peoples jobs are on the lines and that fucking sucks, but there's nothing calling people liars on here is going to solve.
Probably dead in the water just like Scalebound if its the same as the Phantom Dust situation.
You are missing the point that Microsoft isn't just a thirdparty AAA developer. They should have more diverse interests.
Mario, Uncharted and Deus Ex kind of interest.
Hopefully some of the ideas can be salvaged for future titles in different contexts.
facetheslayer92
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Too bad that those 3 games aren't exactly that big anymore. Sure they sell well but Halo, Gears and Forza are not the juggernauts they once were. Samey sequels are just going to make their decline go faster.
How wasnt it big?
It had a budget of $75 million...
That is a bigger budget than literally the vast majority of games out there.
Edit: actually I think it is one of the biggest budgets ever
Uh well between their already poor Jdev relations, and the shit they did to western devs like Obsidian and Darkside, I would expect a lot less are going to be interested in working with them.
Wait, really? Where the hell did that money all get put? The product they had when it got shut down was nowhere near indicative of that. No wonder it got killed.
Yeah, my bad I didn't know that. I assumed based on the scope of the game it was made on a relatively low budget.
kungfuian
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This might seem like a standard everyday cancellation (happens) but the lack of first party makes it sting more than ever. Unfortunately for X-Box gamers IMO this seems more like the rule and not the exception going forward.
Each cancellation, along with many other obvious moves with the brand, seems to prove the point (or at minimum reinforces the idea) that they are done with the console market in the traditional sense and aligning themselves as quickly as possible as to become a service; something close to a copy of steam and steam machines but significantly more closed off.
As they move closer and closer toward becoming a service we can expect more of these cancellations and I would imagine additional closures of owned studios. Only a hand full of tent pole games will be funded going forward. As a service provider it seems they don't see the need to take the risk and develop a bunch of games.
Each cancellation, along with many other obvious moves with the brand, seems to prove the point (or at minimum reinforces the idea) that they are done with the console market in the traditional sense and aligning themselves as quickly as possible as to become a service; something close to a copy of steam and steam machines but significantly more closed off.
As they move closer and closer toward becoming a service we can expect more of these cancellations and I would imagine additional closures of owned studios. Only a hand full of tent pole games will be funded going forward. As a service provider it seems they don't see the need to take the risk and develop a bunch of games.
Sir_Crocodile
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Do Microsoft own the assets and ip, or can pg shop this elsewhere?
That last Japanese company that I remember that refused to work with MS again was Level 5. This is not a good look.
SatoAilDarko
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I'm sure there's two sides but this seems really bad
McWhertor is from Polygon and and was at Kotaku for years.
Mass_Pincup
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Seems like MS fucked them over.
Wouldn't surprise me one bit after Phantom Dust.
It's all Microsoft's.
Boy Wander
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I don't get how having an anticipated game canned is "better" for Xbox gamers, unless I'm misreading his tweet.
Then again, these are the people who hamstrung Rare with shitty motion sensor and turned Fable into some shitty online service based game. Not to mention their indie-unfriendly tactics regarding patching etc in the 360 days.
Ok....
All I said was that they have made some stinkers. I don't give a shit what the budget is or if it was promoted.
I don't expect the two to ever work together again in this capacity.
McWherthor is from Polygon and and was at Kotaku for years.
This fills me with sadness and rage but no surprise.
Yeah, definitely. If it wasn't for Horizon and my fondness of Halo, they would have little for me to excited about. Gears was so obvious, that was tired years ago.
SomedayTheFire
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It wasn't a $60 AAA title I guess? Bonkers investment for a sub par F2P game. What we're they thinking?
MS owns it
Blackleg-sanji1
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Wow..Just wow if true
McWhertor is from Polygon and and was at Kotaku for years.
Coulomb_Barrier
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How on earth is the Scorpio going to do any better than the XB1 when MS will still be pushing the same old, tired franchises and their diminishing sales?
The first 4 years of this gen (including this year) you would have thought MS could have established at least one exclusive franchise that they could have exploited on their next console but there isn't one I can think of outside the fading big three of theirs, and those, as we have seen with their sales and general reception, are likely not going to be the marquee title they need to sell the Scorpio.
The disparity between the games you can only get on a MS console and those that you can only get on a Sony or Nintendo console is like a widening chasm. It's fucking night and day at this point. The longer this carries on the higher the danger of gamers thinking to themselves 'do I really need Xbox?' and the higher the chances they switch to rival consoles and/or a PC permanently.
The first 4 years of this gen (including this year) you would have thought MS could have established at least one exclusive franchise that they could have exploited on their next console but there isn't one I can think of outside the fading big three of theirs, and those, as we have seen with their sales and general reception, are likely not going to be the marquee title they need to sell the Scorpio.
The disparity between the games you can only get on a MS console and those that you can only get on a Sony or Nintendo console is like a widening chasm. It's fucking night and day at this point. The longer this carries on the higher the danger of gamers thinking to themselves 'do I really need Xbox?' and the higher the chances they switch to rival consoles and/or a PC permanently.
He specifically said he got this info from sources though
I don't get it. Less games is a good result for Xbox players? What?
McWhertor is from Polygon and and was at Kotaku for years.
That doesn't look good :/
DangerMouse
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Agreed. There are always two sides to but while it's relatively fair to say it was in dev a long time, MS' doesn't really have a good track record on this stuff either, even within their own (and former own like Lionhead, killing a seemingly mostly finished (?) game after so much dev time) studios.
And a habit of doing it to their Japanese partners particularly late in development like how they seemingly pulled the rug out from Sakaguchi as they were already ramping up for Cry-On the third game in their 3-game deal and the whole huge fallout with Level-5, etc.
Plus with Activision everyone could see the stupidly-short deadlines they were given, and even then they mostly did a decent job managing the projects given everything working against those projects.
McWhertor is from Polygon and and was at Kotaku for years.
FML
VincentMatts
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Dude, it's not complicated. Gears of war III came out in 2011, by January 2011 the Xbox 360 was at over 50 million consoles sold worldwide.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_sales
The Xbox one isn't even close to that right now. Not even close. If you don't think that has an effect every one of their franchises then you're absolutely insane.
Ricky Ricardo
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That's a fault on my part, I didn't do my due diligence there. Thanks
In light of Jmille99's correction, my point stands even more firmly. The comparison, as you originally put it, is too muddy to be properly used, in my opinion. The existence of titles that showed actionable, demonstrable progress, as well as CG pipe dreams stands in contrast to the belief that MS solely relied on games well into the future to move the hype meter. We'll have to agree to disagree.
Sir_Crocodile
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Man that's three years of their life that'll never see the light of day. Feel really bad for them.
boredandlazy
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Unprecedented.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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What are the chances that Adam Bolton opens up about what he knows? This sounds pretty bad.
When you include a game as a headliner in a group of 5 games (that include Gears, Halo, Tomb Raider, and Forza) and call it the "greatest games lineup in Xbox history" it's a big game. A game with a 70 million dollar budget? Absolutely a big game.
Salty Rice
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Exactly.
People trying to shit on Platinum wtf.
Also Korra had some nice mechanics and Star Fox was all on Miyamotos stupid ass.
I don't know that I'd call it the exact same situation, but I see your points. With Rime it was an odd situation where the devs just one day announced that they had reacquired the rights to their IP and would be releasing it as a multiplat now. I don't remember Sony ever announcing that they had canceled it (Did they even ever publically comment on it? I can't remember).
Regardless, hopefully Platinum gets through this and Kamiya gets the rest he needs.
ProfessorMoran
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Their problem is picking the right publisher to work with, they really haven't found a publisher that can work with them in a long term stable relationship, not sure why they've been shunning Sony so far.
Open world+SP+mp? That's way too ambitious for a team like platinum.
Speaking of sunset overdrive, insomniac also bet on the wrong horse.
McWhertor is from Polygon and and was at Kotaku for years.
Interesting to see what comes out of this.
DangerMouse
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This. What an awful tweet.
RiccochetJ
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Just reading about this now. Sucks, I was looking forward to it regardless of how it showed at E3.
Well ok then.
A game this far into development does not get tanked if the relationship between the various parties was a good one. There's a deeper story of mistrust, betrayal and outright villainy...I'm sure.
Bumblebeetuna
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Good? Game looked like complete garbage when shown.
If they're going to take the money they saved on this turd and put it to use elsewhere on another new project, then I'm ok with it.
If they're going to take the money they saved on this turd and put it to use elsewhere on another new project, then I'm ok with it.
PositiveGamer
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He means more QUALITY titles for Xbox Players. It seems Musclebound was going to disappoint many.
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