Scalebound cancelled [Platinum Games and Kamiya have commented]
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Regret Upon Approval
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I don't see the two K's meshing well at all creatively.
They are much better off directing their own works than trying to codirect
They are much better off directing their own works than trying to codirect
Acquiescence
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So the PS4 had DRM before the NeoGAF community convinced Sony to do otherwise?
What the hell dimension are you living in.
I do think you are completely misstaken if you think I wrote this, yes.
Lets read again
Did the Gaf cause #PS4NoDRM gain big support? Yes, it did. The end.
I would say we have about as much influence with Microsoft as we did with Konami.
Coulomb_Barrier
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MS thinks specs alone will sell their next console. Good luck with that.
People citing this place as a source isnt going to change corporate's mind about giving million dollars of code and assets to a studio they just kicked to the curb.
Not enough to turn around a cancelled project like this one...
Huh, interesting, didn't know that was a GAF initiative. I probably did undersell it a bit. Still, #ps4nodrm was likely something that resonated with people outside GAF a lot too, and picked up steam from there. Few causes would garner such passionate backing, and Scalebound is one of those that won't.
Some people confused him for Mikami.
AmethystEnd
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:/ If you're happy with something gaining support but not functionally accomplishing anything concrete, okay, cool. That kind of hollow accomplishment isn't even worth bringing up in response to the idea of "Can NeoGAF somehow save Scalebound?" though, which is what you were responding to.
DrunkShogun
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As it stands, the only likely result is platinum won't work with Microsoft in the future but greater concern is if platinum took a bad hit with the cancellation. Would hold a grudge if platinum closes because of this.
Eolz
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Well, Kamiya loved working with the Tetris Attack creator at Nintendo after all. He's respected too, but obviously it's not the same as being Iwata's close friend. He still would likely get more freedom at Nintendo than Capcom given how both companies work and due to their own goals.
If it was like Sakurai or Mistwalker, no. If he went into another studio, you can be sure he'd get a small team to get into preproduction immediately.
Technically his best friend works at Capcom
Kamiya coming back to Ace Attorney!
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Bayonetta has the high Metacritic score and the fact the character was voted into smash going for ir. Which isn't much all but I guess it wouldn't be the craziest thing Nintendo has done based on the low chance of it happening
Sir Ilpalazzo
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Not to mention Kamiya has made it clear he's not interested in co-directing games with other people with strong creative visions like Mikami or Kojima ("the ship with too many captains climbs the mountain," as he's said / quoted). At most I could maybe see Kamiya getting a job at Kojima Productions and becoming a director there or something.
Microsoft takes the wrong signals, think back to 360, people watch lots of Netflix, Kinect sold loads etc, thus the Xbox One, people buy the more powerful PS4, here comes Scorpio. They can't think beyond stats.
GlamFM
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I see the "every cancelled game would have been the greatest game of all times" rule applies as always.
I believe nobody is more pissed about this than MS.
They sunk a ton of money and time into this project and did not get what they payed for.
Their call and a really tough one.
When you are convinced that after 4 years of development you still have to pump in more money than you´ll make back it´s the right thing to do.
It sucks for everybody, but for them especially.
The reactions to the last E3 showing where horrible (also here on GAF...) and although I was pumped for this after the first showing it was obvious that this was not coming together.
Sucks.
For EVERYBODY.
I believe nobody is more pissed about this than MS.
They sunk a ton of money and time into this project and did not get what they payed for.
Their call and a really tough one.
When you are convinced that after 4 years of development you still have to pump in more money than you´ll make back it´s the right thing to do.
It sucks for everybody, but for them especially.
The reactions to the last E3 showing where horrible (also here on GAF...) and although I was pumped for this after the first showing it was obvious that this was not coming together.
Sucks.
For EVERYBODY.
RedSparrows
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Beautiful.
I agree, though the influence gaf has and gaming communities in general won't give this a happy ending. Maybe if it had a much smaller budget MS would reconsider, but they aren't going to throw 10s of millions away to make a vocal minority happy and even if somehow they did the bridge is burnt. Best we can hope for is MS are willing to let another Pub buy the I.P, but I doubt many would be lining up.
I think he was annoyed about PS All-Stars being similar to Smash.
lightskintwin
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Too sensible, not enough fuck Microsoft.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
Was literally thinking of this the other day and hyped. 
Between this and Fable Legends, MS has no first party ARPGs in the pipeline, whixh they used to be known for.
Between this and Fable Legends, MS has no first party ARPGs in the pipeline, whixh they used to be known for.Having done a quick google of this person I won't be losing sleep
DarkLordMalik
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It has a huge vocal gaming community but I doubt business decisions are made based on them.
GlamFM
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Rightfully so. When it comes to the business side of things we are severely out of touch.
Well, Kamiya is a creator, not a businessman.
Shocking. I had no idea.
Earlier in the thread:
The latest information doesn't make it seem like I was too off the mark, although the motivation in this case seems rather different than Zenimax's.
The latest information doesn't make it seem like I was too off the mark, although the motivation in this case seems rather different than Zenimax's.
Salient thing for him to say.
I think most people here realise that GAF is a gaming enthousiast bubble that drifts around independently from the wider community (for example its relative dislike of Skyrim and COD show this). We should not (and generally do not) expect company es to actually listen to our advice.
Still, GAF does command quite some respect in the more involved gaming community for its gaming knowledge and insiders, so we should probably not downplay its relevance too much.
GAF dislikes Skyrim?
Assuming these tweets are bullshit (which could be, ofc.) it's not even about Scalebound being the best game ever.
It's about Scalebound being yet another cancelled project, Microsoft announced (clearly too early) to sell their console, and get the "Xbox is for games" ball rolling, a couple of years back, after their abysmal launch.
Beyond that, people are mostly worried about Kamiya and Platinum in general.
Given the talent they have in that studio, they really get shit on from this industry a lot.
That's not really MS' fault though, they've been on a tough luck string since the inception.
I guess there is just no space for the type of games they produce, or not enough to justify that kind of studio size.
I mean plenty of people gave GOTY to Shadow of Mordor over Bayonetta 2 in 2014, that tells you everything you need to know about their place in the industry.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I just remembered Ken Lobb's ridiculous praise of this game.
I'm sure it's been covered in this huge ass thread but it was cringeworthy to the max.
I'm sure it's been covered in this huge ass thread but it was cringeworthy to the max.
I did say that, yes.
My post was in response to
My response was
In the first sentence I made it clear, that I find it rather obvious that Gaf won't be able to change something here.
In the second sentence I replied to "Gaf causes not being able to find big support" with a correct example of a "Gaf cause finding big support".
Zedark, who I replied to, wasn't aware of said example.
That is all.
Pretty much, and Todd Howard especially for some reason
I'm not sure how Scalebound is what's make or break in terms of this. Good games will help sell Scorpio and if Scalebound wasn't quality then it wasn't going to "sell their next console". Heck, to be honest I doubt it would have helped sold it much even if the game was solid considering its style/genre. They have multiple other console (brand) exclusives coming soon.
Nuno Pinto
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Kamiya is one of my favorite creators so it really sucks to see this happen to him. I really want to play a game made by him again, so hopefully he can return quickly after this mess. Okami & Bayonetta <3
He had to take time off for mental health reasons.
Separately, there was a recent rumor from a French journalist who claimed Kamiya was thinking about leaving Platinum.
Mikami was a founder and left too, so it wouldn't be unprecedented...
Yeah it's pretty weird seeing a lot of people in this thread act like scalebound's cancellation is doomsday for the Xbox. It's one game and it's a game that many people thought would flop to begin with.
Could be very bad for platinum though. That's something worth being concerned about. But Xbox will be just fine without it (though I will definitely miss it. Was looking forward to it).
Chuck Norris
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He seemed to be right in bed with Sony in PS2 days, but (I could be wrong) doesn't seem to have done a single exclusive with Sony since. Despite most his games being platform exclusives
Is this just coincidence?
SomedayTheFire
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Most of his games haven't been commercial successes since then. That would have a good bit to do with it I would say.
Masked Man
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When Bayo1 came out, word of mouth made the game sound like this:
"Did you hear about that action game with the naked chick? IGN gave it a 9.6!"
By the time the game had gone through the critical discourse and the sequel was coming out, people realized the game was more like this:
It's a subtle distinction, but the former has potential mass-market appeal while the latter doesn't.
At least that's my take on it.
That's the most apt and relatable description I've ever seen regarding Bayonetta. It also explains why I love her so much. Slay mawma gunheels the house down!
(Also, whoever suggested RuPaul replace Rodin is onto something. I approve!)
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