SCE Executive Vice President: Possible enhanced version PS4, no first party for Vita
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MR ARCADE FOREVER
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A higher spec PS4 is not happening. they might optimize it or free more ram for developers but a more powerful hardware just nay
SolidSnakex
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Yep. I imagine that Shu will put an end to any speculation next week during interviews as PGW, if Sony doesn't do it earlier. The interview isn't about something that's actually happening. It was just a question of whether or not an upgrade was possible.
mangochutney
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I like how people are not liking the idea of a higher performance PS4.
It is the best option here. It means we have an upgrade path that has full backwards compatibility and it means studios don't have the issue of cross-gen and all the pain that comes from that and if you're not as well off you don't have to buy it. Your old system still works, and if you don't own one yet you can just get the cheap one.
If you'd prefer a PS5 that is missing games because studios were too invested in PS4 and potentially your old PS4 games not working then sure, let's go for that option.
It is the best option here. It means we have an upgrade path that has full backwards compatibility and it means studios don't have the issue of cross-gen and all the pain that comes from that and if you're not as well off you don't have to buy it. Your old system still works, and if you don't own one yet you can just get the cheap one.
If you'd prefer a PS5 that is missing games because studios were too invested in PS4 and potentially your old PS4 games not working then sure, let's go for that option.
No, but future games may not be compatible. Hell, didn't the new 3DS come out with a game that requires you have a new one. I mean the console is only 2 years old now, I'd be pissed if they already are making it irrelevant when it's finally starting to hit its stride. Now if it came out about the time you'd expect a PS5, I suppose one could view it as it really being the PS5 with backwards compatibility... but why not just call it a PS5 then and make it feel like the newest thing rather than an upgrade to the old one (which would make it look like a slight upgrade vs. a totally new tech).
Ok imagine for a second that this new PS4 comes out, now I say it will fragment the userbase. How? Let me explain.
Say when this thing comes out it provides the same game at higher framerate or higher graphical fidelity, it goes well for a year or two. Eventually you come across a point where devs will feel held back by the older hardware and as such they will either drop the old PS4 or have their games will suffer. The devs might want to make a 30FPS game on PS4+ (simply because they can) and that would not work well with old PS4, they can tone it down but only so much before it hurts the game and their vision. It will be similar situation to how it is between PS3 and PS4, not as drastic but the old console will slowly fade into irrelevancy.
Then there is the issue of devs making games for another new SKU, because it will be a different machine it will have different results with its timings. It won't be as straightforward as simply making the same game run on both machines as they will both require their own level of optimisations.
PS4 has been out for 2 years now, let it run for 3 more years and release PS5 rather than wasting time and money in something that has no tangible benefits.
EDIT: I would however be open to a new PS4 with 4K support.
Say when this thing comes out it provides the same game at higher framerate or higher graphical fidelity, it goes well for a year or two. Eventually you come across a point where devs will feel held back by the older hardware and as such they will either drop the old PS4 or have their games will suffer. The devs might want to make a 30FPS game on PS4+ (simply because they can) and that would not work well with old PS4, they can tone it down but only so much before it hurts the game and their vision. It will be similar situation to how it is between PS3 and PS4, not as drastic but the old console will slowly fade into irrelevancy.
Then there is the issue of devs making games for another new SKU, because it will be a different machine it will have different results with its timings. It won't be as straightforward as simply making the same game run on both machines as they will both require their own level of optimisations.
PS4 has been out for 2 years now, let it run for 3 more years and release PS5 rather than wasting time and money in something that has no tangible benefits.
EDIT: I would however be open to a new PS4 with 4K support.
autoduelist
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Right. Which is exactly why it is a terrible idea. It is in direct opposition to why the majority of people buy consoles -- to have the latest tech (even if technically 5 years old) that plays the latest games without any muss or fuss. Not because they want to chase tech or feel like they need to upgrade -- the lack of ever feeling the need to upgrade is a major selling point of consoles.
It doesn't matter if games are still technically compatible. They would have changed the nature of consoles from feeling like we own 'the best tech' to we own 'old tech' and it will create much strife in the console userbase. It puts many of us in an awful position - I don't want to (and won't) buy the upgraded version, but now I'd feel like I was playing the 'worst' version rather than the 'best' version. It would push me away from console ownership long term - I don't want to chase tech [other than occasional generational upgrades], and I will likely leave the hobby.
Perhaps more importantly, it creates one more thing devs need to optimize towards. As with anytime that has to happen, it requires more resources -- and we already have devs aiming at too many targets. More importantly, you now create more strife within your base. If the inferior console has bugs or issues the other doesn't have, you piss off your base even more ["see, they don't care about us launch buyers!"]. If the 'upgraded' console has bugs or issues the other version has, then all the owners of the older console are 'holding development back'. It creates no-win situations left and right within your own user base. This is all the stuff we currently avoid with console ownership - I get the same experience you get on your ps4, no fiddling, no worrying, just buying and playing.
Please no. Thankfully I doubt Sony would ever go this route.
Jawmuncher
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Doubt it, if anything it'll just be remodels like last gen. No need to do revisions when you're already the most power console on the market.
Nintendo set a precedent with the n3DS, but I don't think this would be a good move. Either the current PS4 remains the target platform and holds back the PS4+, or the PS4+ becomes the new target platform and vanilla PS4 gets left to rot. It's a half-measure, and I don't like it.
Knowing that I have the best performance and graphics is the coolest thing about owning a console. I have a PC but there are people with better graphics than me. No one has a better PS4 than me though. And no one can play a better looking Uncharted 4 than me.
It's just a nice feeling to have the best.
SolidSnakex
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It's not something that's going to happen so you don't have to worry about buying a PS4.
This. PS4+ exclusive games like Xenoblade on n3DS would be awful. And if the framerate for a given game is bad, people will be like, "just buy the PS4+".
If Sony goes through with it, I'll try to get a refund on my PS4 at Costco and use that money to switch but I won't like it.
autoduelist
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Do not stress yourself out. This is never going to happen -- for exactly the reasons that you now no longer know if you want to buy one.... Sony would be crazy to sow seeds of doubt in owners and potential owners.
Buy a PS4 and feel safe in knowing you have the best PS4 for the entire gen. Sony knows that too. They'd be idiotic to split the userbase and would undermine the single biggest selling point of console ownership.
EventHorizon
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Sony knows all too well what a disadvantage it is to give MS a release advantage. They are not going to do that again.
MS is handily losing this gen so there is little to lose. A new Xbox would be fully backward compatible and the XB1 would still be offered as a low cost alternative. All games would run on on both but the upgraded console would offer it up at 1080p 60FPS. It'd also support the Oculus Rift and be able to play VR games that the XB1 simply can't handle,
With universal apps I am starting to see a strategy from MS to position such an upgraded console as a PC alternative. A cheap extender box could be connected to a monitor in an home office to allow streaming apps to a more traditional setting with a keyboard and mouse.
I wouldn't read in this too much.
Although the trend with smartphones and tablets is already set and people have fully accepted that the 201(X+1) version of their phone runs games better than the 201X version, on consoles is different, sales are also different.
They need to consolidate, not fracture.
Nintendo set a precedent with the N3DS and the results have been poor, it has not provided a sizeable sales boost, developers have not supported the extra capatibilities in a meaningful way because they want to sell their game to the biggest userbase.
With this being said I think Sony might consider a PS4K in the future with support to Ultra HD Blu Ray discs. Extreme case the GPU might be upgraded to be able to render the same games at same settings at 4k resolution but I think this is unlikely.
Although the trend with smartphones and tablets is already set and people have fully accepted that the 201(X+1) version of their phone runs games better than the 201X version, on consoles is different, sales are also different.
They need to consolidate, not fracture.
Nintendo set a precedent with the N3DS and the results have been poor, it has not provided a sizeable sales boost, developers have not supported the extra capatibilities in a meaningful way because they want to sell their game to the biggest userbase.
With this being said I think Sony might consider a PS4K in the future with support to Ultra HD Blu Ray discs. Extreme case the GPU might be upgraded to be able to render the same games at same settings at 4k resolution but I think this is unlikely.
googleplex
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Christ This.
2019 or 2020 seems perfect for release, 7 years on the market is good enough.
Ps3 was 7 years so seems right.
2006 - 2013
2013 - 2020
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Higher performance PS4? What, like a mid-gen add on?
Never mind the fact the system just doesn't have an audience outside of the US and UK; if an enhanced XBO were released it'd just add confusion. XBO is not doing bad or good enough to warrant an upgrade after just four years out. And by 2018 the XBO-2 would logically be justified so why waste time with a stopgap?
If MS released something like this in 2017 it would be DOA. The XBO's problem was not really the power gap; it was that MS lied about it and tried to push draconian DRM alongside a peripheral most early buyers were not interested in. They are just gaining back some lost ground with consumers in terms of faith in the product and brand, but I don't expect most of it to be repaired until late 2016 at the earliest. And then, just as XBO is doing well, they'll fragment the userbase again?
Never mind the fact the system just doesn't have an audience outside of the US and UK; if an enhanced XBO were released it'd just add confusion. XBO is not doing bad or good enough to warrant an upgrade after just four years out. And by 2018 the XBO-2 would logically be justified so why waste time with a stopgap?
Cant see this happening. Its a home console not a PC. It'd get messy with different model systems and VR and pricing. Why would they throw a spanner in the mix when going so good.
If they released their VR with a surprise addition packaged in, some sort of gpu/cpu expansion box through usb (if even possible), exclusively for use with VR. Then that would be fucking great.
If they released their VR with a surprise addition packaged in, some sort of gpu/cpu expansion box through usb (if even possible), exclusively for use with VR. Then that would be fucking great.
PS3 was bleeding edge, they had to take 7 years to recoup on that monster. PS4 was built to last 5 years max. We're already nearing mid-cycle for this gen.
King Mystery
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They should do one of those addons like SEGA CD and let the PS4 attach to it. There could be even some sort of slot for upgrades, ala N64's memory Expansion Pak or that slot Sega Saturn had that you stick things in.
It would be like Voltron, but just customizing what lions you want to use for pimping out your PS4. Voltron.
Who wouldn't want that?
It would be like Voltron, but just customizing what lions you want to use for pimping out your PS4. Voltron.
Who wouldn't want that?
Sangetsu-II
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The answer to what would be in a High Performance PS4 is in the OP
It clearly means there is gonna be a PS4 with an Ultra HD Disc Drive duh..."High Performance"
Jawmuncher
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sörine;182681174 said:
Could still see them doing the 7 years. Why rush the market when you can still make a decent profit on systems that are even cheaper to make.
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
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So, an Ultra HD PS4, or a PS4 slim, or both? Quite exciting, love me some console upgrades.
They will if Nintendo will magically have real 3rd party support and those games start eating into their sales, otherwise there'd be no point.
The Last One
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sörine;182681174 said:
6-7 years I'd say.
Green Card
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I want an enhanced Vita. Something like the New 3DS.
family_guy
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I would buy a high performance PS4...with PS3 full BC in it.
If the current PS4 is an iPad, I'd definitely take a new PS4 that was an iPad Air. Calling it a high performance ps4 or a PS4's' might work better than calling it a Ps5 which would suggest the ps4 being superseded.
Current development around PC should make developing for two fixed targets completely doable
Current development around PC should make developing for two fixed targets completely doable
zackmorris
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Playstation VR is going to struggle to sell as it is. If you say you need a new PS4 to properly run it, it won't sell at all. Period. That would essentially be an 800 dollar investment. They have sold a ton of PS4s, I don't think those people are looking to buy the "new" PS4 only a year or two later.
Then that starts the cycle. No one buys the headset, so they stop making games. No games no reason to buy the headset.
They need to sell PS VR to the install base they have.
Pancakes R Us
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Don't worry, Sony isn't stupid enough to call it that.
PHOENIXZERO
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Yeah, Sony ended up repeating what they did to the PSP but worse even after Shu claimed that wouldn't happen because it was a mistake last time. But oh well...
I'm sure there's at least a bit of room for Sony to raise the PS4's CPU and GPU clocks along with giving developers more RAM at some point, that's pretty much all they should do.
I'm sure there's at least a bit of room for Sony to raise the PS4's CPU and GPU clocks along with giving developers more RAM at some point, that's pretty much all they should do.
Sangetsu-II
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What does anything have to do with x86, there are only so many parts that can be change in a architecture like that. Especially on consoles.
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