HeWhoWalks
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You certainly know a thing or two about that.
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Schreier: "PlayStation’s Astro Bot Is a Model for the Video-Game Industry"
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Skifi28
Member
At least one more.
Killer8
Gold Member
Schreier is a retard but he's unequivocally correct here.
Sony need to bring back their lower budget middle market. Smaller teams making smaller games that they can release at greater frequency. Herman Hulst recently gave an interview congratulating Team Asobi on their launch and even the Sony-employed interviewer was pressing him about Sony committing more money to 'family games' like Astro Bot. I take that to mean that after their live service failings there is even internal pressure within Sony to get back to what put them on the map in the first place.
Concord would've been a disaster regardless, because it was shit and we knew that even before it released, but it needn't have sucked up all of the oxygen as Sony's big summer flop if it was surrounded by a cavalcade of other great titles like Astro Bot. Microsoft experienced the same problem last year when Redfall bombed and Forza Motorsport disappointed. Pinning your hopes and dreams on one game per quarter isn't going to cut it - If only a couple of those fail then the entire release calendar is sunk.
Sony need to bring back their lower budget middle market. Smaller teams making smaller games that they can release at greater frequency. Herman Hulst recently gave an interview congratulating Team Asobi on their launch and even the Sony-employed interviewer was pressing him about Sony committing more money to 'family games' like Astro Bot. I take that to mean that after their live service failings there is even internal pressure within Sony to get back to what put them on the map in the first place.
Concord would've been a disaster regardless, because it was shit and we knew that even before it released, but it needn't have sucked up all of the oxygen as Sony's big summer flop if it was surrounded by a cavalcade of other great titles like Astro Bot. Microsoft experienced the same problem last year when Redfall bombed and Forza Motorsport disappointed. Pinning your hopes and dreams on one game per quarter isn't going to cut it - If only a couple of those fail then the entire release calendar is sunk.
Shifty1897
Member
As many as it takes to fix the industry.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Schreiers primary objective is to get clicks (from you guys).
The whole industry was already set up with 50 - 100 person teams making short single player games back in the 00s.
It failed for a reason. Schreier knows this.
The whole industry was already set up with 50 - 100 person teams making short single player games back in the 00s.
It failed for a reason. Schreier knows this.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Yeah. And also Concord was made with the objective of "how do we make a game that can make the most money", while Astrobot seems like a game that was made with the simple objective of "making the most fun game we can make."
Shake Your Rump
Gold Member
Both of these statements can be true.
Concord was an independent game, acquired mid-way through development. Sony's relationship was decided by the marketing department. Bad decision. Take a long hard look at marketing deals and acquisitions.
Astro Bot was developed in-house by a team that formed from part of a group that had been with Sony for 30 years. They know how to make video games.
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Sooner
Member
Single player games and online GAAS games are completely different.
Sony went into their GAAS initiative knowing more would crash and fail than would succeed. If you make 5 GAAS games and 4 fail, but one hits hard, it's a success.
Expensive single-player games need to hit much more consistently. That's why there has been less risk taking in this area.
saintjules
Member
Makes me wish there were threadmarks for threads. This could be posted in the OT then threadmarked for viewing.
Sooner
Member
Funny, I clicked on your name and saw many posts in tons of different Concord threads.
I didn't check, but I assume you asked the same question regarding that game?
Hrk69
Gold Member
Rudius
Member
If a 100 hour games had 10 times the real content of a 10 hour game, alright, but we know it's not the case.
Recently playing Wukong I could see that God of War Ragnarok wastes my time: both are similar games, both are good, but in Wukong you move fast, kill fast, die fast, there are no walking sections, cut scenes don't drag on, you don't have to slowly climb or squeeze trough passages etc. Both are long games, but modern God of War is longer than wukong without having more game in it, it's just stretched and slowed down. And God Of War Ragnarok is far from the worst offender in that regard.
Caio
Member
I want another one, then it's ok.
Fake
Member
Yes.
Sooner
Member
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
See this is what I want but I recently picked up Hogwarts Legacy and did a search for how long the main game is and not only did I find out it is 40+ hours but also a bunch of people complaining that it is too short.
I feel like there is a big schism between people who have a ton of time to commit to games and people like me who want ~15 hours max which will take a month or so to complete, because any longer and it's highly unlikely I will finish the game.
Moses85
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tmlDan
Member
Id rather have a ton of threads on a potential GOTY than Concord, more positivity and less hate is nice
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
Astro bots balls don’t even shrink in cold weather. Spend another $100 million!!!
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
I think this speaks to how shallow most games actually are. Most of them are built to be interesting for 5 to 10 hours and then the planned obsolescence kicks in.
Short games end before the planned obsolescence period drags on too long.
Long games just keep going.
We should be wanting better gameplay design, more depth, more variety. Instead we talk about when a game should end because we see another interesting 5 - 10 hours game coming next month.
Klosshufvud
Member
I have for certain put more hours on the supposed 8-10h games over the 100h ones. DMC3 and GoW1? Finished a dozen times. Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk? Couldn't even finish the tutorial areas before boredom hit. When a game is designed specifically to stretch those hours, it impacts the pacing and also my tolerance to keep playing.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Concord only saw that amount of traction because of this. There's a sense of "sticking it" to people with a game like that. Remember, a lot of folks are still sore about Starfield failing to move the needle, Xbox games coming to PlayStation, and the Xbox Series devices becoming more and more irrelevant. When you've protected a brand for so long, and then that brand begins to destroy itself, the remaining warriors must shoot at whatever they can (this includes its "journalist" fangirls and not just users around GAF, who are nowhere close by comparison). Otherwise, if this were 1999/2000, it would have come and gone and no one would care, particularly anyone who wasn't similar to a current day zealot. PlayStation fans rightfully mocked it and have largely moved on.
Like I predicted though, Astro Bot (especially) and The Pro are about to make it a blip on an otherwise decent year for PS5.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Yup
60 developers.
3 years of dev time.
The average salary for a senior game developer in Tokyo where Team Asobi is located is in the 12M - 15M Yen range, so if we take the higher value of that salary range, the development budget would be approximately 2.7B Yen, which translates to about 19M USD.
Now, if we also factor in the cost for game asset creation from external support studios, I’d estimate the final production budget to be around 25M–30M USD.
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Lunarorbit
Gold Member
I really used to like schreier. Bought both his books and even gave money to his podcast. When he joined Forbes something changed. I know people on here always thought he was a bitch but I liked his investigative journalism.
Now he just seems like a washed out photocopy of what he was
Now he just seems like a washed out photocopy of what he was
Physiognomonics
Member
Yes.
Buggy Loop
Member
No fucking shit?
Did peoples forget what made PSX and PS2 popular to begin with? Their first party lineup was fire. GAMES, not Hollywood wannabes or chasing ephemeral trends like gaas.
Team Ico died for nothing you fucking dumbass. Now you support Astrobot like no tomorrow because you actually forgot what good games are after nearly 3 gens of wanking to graphics with inch deep gameplay.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Yep it’s a model. And the industry is best with lots of different models
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
A lot of pointless, silly aggression here. Games come in flavors, lots of them, and it doesn't matter if we like them all or not. I prefer an industry that welcomes AstroBot, The Last of Us, Grand Theft Auto, and Sonic The Hedgehog rather than one that only goes after "a type". Yes, there are phases when trends are chased, because the point is to make money, after all. But, by and large, the industry is full of diverse, unique experiences and a recent gem like AtsroBot doesn't invalidate the many, great, games that are either cinematic or otherwise.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
What did I tell you? Jason is so smart! He really understands...
Buggy Loop
Member
As a massive fan of PSX and PS2 Sony lineup, I disagree with their switch and focus on the likes of the Last of Us, Uncharted, Horizon, Daddy of war, Days gone etc. Again, studios have died to chase this cinematic experience, I’m not saying that there’s no places for them, but the 180 degrees Sony made to chase this was too much. Astrobot is exactly showcasing this. It’s like a dandelion growing through the pavement of a parking lot. Now Sony says they have family in mind, pulease, what BS is that. For 3 gens it was thrown under the bus with nowhere near the diversity of PSX/PS2 era.
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akira__
Banned
Just last week the industry was dying and concord was the beginning of the end of playstation. And playstation losg their way. And then now with Astrobot, a playstation mario came we get these extreme takes. Relax it's just a game.
The console industry not dying, and Astrobot is not saving it.
The console industry not dying, and Astrobot is not saving it.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Eh, AstroBot proves there's a place for all of it. Studios died trying many different things and that's where the pivots started (Microsoft and Nintendo are in the same boat). That's business.
akira__
Spot on. People are super reactive to things these days, when in reality, two different pitches were just thrown and one lead to a homerun. Again, that's business.
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CherryFalls
Banned
This Jason Schreier?!!,
He don’t care about small team, he cares more about a DEI-compliant team
So he just has straight up,, mask off, white racial hatred? That's bold, I guess. Most progressives try and hide it abit better.
MarkMe2525
Gold Member
At first glance, I thought the article was going to focus around the simplified mechanics and exploiting nostalgia as the base of his premise, which I would have disagreed with. After skimming through it, I agree that many games would benefit from lessened scope and more sustainable development practices. Every large AAA doesn't have to be an open world jack of all trades.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
and I bet he didn't bring DEI. right? that's the actual model
Woopah
Member
There's no "white racial hatred" in that post.
Fake
Member
You can clear up. What was the problem exactly in that picture Jason was complaining?
semiconscious
Member
thank you. 'godsend'? talk about a drama queen...
GermanZepp
Member
If I express how disgusting I find this schreier prick is gonna get me banned
mayham2199
Member
Why do people keep saying this? Are we just pretending like they didn’t also release a very successful gaas? Should they have learned a lesson there and made even more gaas games?
NickFire
Member
I cringe at some of his stuff but I agree with his opinion on this. There’s room for lots of type of games and not everything needs to be a forever game. Shout out to Robocop. Back on topic I still think there’s plenty of room for big games. But the logic behind keeping a studio compact and giving everyone a voice is sound. I think people can be more honest about their thought process in smaller groups too because less corporate formalities and you probably get to know your colleagues in different departments better too.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
All want from Sony is make more quirky Japanese games like this like they used to.
I’m not even saying they should stop making western games but back in PS1, PS2 and PS3 they had good balance both Japanese and western games.
Also the don’t need those unique Japanese games be super high budget AAAA or whatever…..AA with unique aesthetics is more than enough for me.
I just hate that this gen Sony is mostly focus on western games.
I’m not even saying they should stop making western games but back in PS1, PS2 and PS3 they had good balance both Japanese and western games.
Also the don’t need those unique Japanese games be super high budget AAAA or whatever…..AA with unique aesthetics is more than enough for me.
I just hate that this gen Sony is mostly focus on western games.
