Was always a fan of Burning Force. One of my earliest memories with the Genesis.
What did you think of it, Greg? You didn't really give too many thoughts about the game itself in the video.
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Was always a fan of Burning Force. One of my earliest memories with the Genesis.
What did you think of it, Greg? You didn't really give too many thoughts about the game itself in the video.
I think the only effective way to fix that is to replace the rubber contacts with new ones. I changed the ones in my SNES controllers a while back and it was pretty mindblowing how much better they felt afterwards. My friend has two unused SNES controllers that I was allowed to fondle a bit and compare to mine after switching, and the replacement ones I used were quite a bit stiffer but they became much less so very quickly by using them. But I actually really liked the stiffness. It felt a bit like the buttons had microswitches in them or something because of the tactile feedback you got when pressing them. They still have very good feedback but the stiffness is much more subdued now that I've used them for a while.
I'd love it if someone would make microswitch replacement kits for retro controllers, if that's even a possibility.
Edit: I see now that you described yours as stiff too. When I say stiff I don't mean in the sense that they felt like very worn out ones, but rather that they required you to press just a little bit harder before they started to depress. The feeling of pressing them was very satisfying though. And it feels very obvious that you have pressed them, just like arcade buttons with microswitches. And they bounce right back up when you release them.
MightyHedgehog
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Another excellent episode! Glad you went with 60fps capture, but still kinda sad you're using non-scanline'd (emulator?) footage. Keep up the great work. Looking forward to more that time period for Genesis/Mega Drive as the 1990-1992 period is one of my favorites, particularly for Telenet/NCS/Wolf Team/Data East/Taito stuff.
Gunstarheroes
Member
Another excellent episode! I really dig the stuff on the Game Gear, love hearing about launches of systems. Also dug seeing the stuff about Swamp Thing and stuff when talking about Bimini Run.
Also, since i just realized who you were, a little off-topic, but as an avid EGM reader back in the day, i still haven't forgotten that 9.5 for Chrono Cross. These things run deep.
Gunstarheroes
Member
I actually just nabbed a good deal. Got Wolfchild for Sega CD (fucking finally) for 20 bucks. Very pleased about that.
Heh, you probably woukd have been sble to find it for about a quarter of that back in the day (over here at least)
Another excellent episode, thanks Greg!
I want to play Burning Force now, even though you didn't have much to say about it, haha. Listening to the soundtrack in the meantime.
Looking to buy a Genesis and it comes with an RF cable only.
This is the console:
This is my TV:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004NZB8TU/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Will there be a cheap, easy way to hook it up?
Thanks!
This is the console:
This is my TV:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004NZB8TU/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Will there be a cheap, easy way to hook it up?
Thanks!
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
- That model Genesis (Genesis 3) is generally undesirable. It only outputs mono sound, and it's incompatible with a number of peripherals (most notably the Sega CD and 32X) and a few games (specific examples of which escape me at the moment).
- Those Turbo Touch controllers are garbage. The official 3-button controller pictured is nice, but you should probably seek out an official 6-button pad (specifically, the earlier versions that were produced during the console's active lifespan, and not the Sega branded ones that were produced alongside the Genesis 3).
- Although I can't make out a few of the games in that photo, none of those pictured strike me as particularly valuable. You'd need a good deal in order for that lot to be worth it under any circumstance, imo.
- You can buy a composite video cable for the Genesis. I believe the Genesis 3 has the same A/V plug as the Genesis 2, but the mono-only sound may complicate matters. (I have no idea for sure.) Older models can also output RGB video; I'm not sure if that also applies to the Genesis 3.
- I don't think any HDTV is a good fit for any console older than a Dreamcast, Genesis included. They butcher the picture quality and add a lot of input lag. If you don't have a CRT or dedicated upscaling equipment, I'd honestly recommend that you look into emulation instead (whether it be official digital re-releases or other avenues), especially since a lot of items in that lot aren't much to write home about in the first place. But it's your call.
sixteen-bit
Member
Genesis 3 doesn't output RGB
Genesis 3 can't do RGB unless modified.
Thanks, guys. So would it work with a composite? Or, is there a legal emulation console I should be looking at instead that would work with Genesis carts? This is all mostly because my wife wants to play the original Cool Spot and I'm woefully uninformed about this stuff....
(I don't have a CRT, BTW.)
(I don't have a CRT, BTW.)
Genesis 3 uses the same cable as Genesis 2 and only outputs mono. It does indeed work with composite. Picture quality will be like ass, but it's still enjoyable if you keep your expectations super low.
If you want better picture quality out of your old games, this thread has you covered:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=630556
I got mine quite a while ago. I would get in touch with them if you haven't received your book yet.
Bar81
Member
I've received my LE and two regular editions (first one was damaged). You need to contact them if you're still waiting.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Same, Canada here. You should definitely write them.
Look what was waiting for me at my front door! 
They're reproduction carts, but I don't care (before anyone gets all upset, I don't sell my games so don't worry about it detracting value from your original copies). I'm just happy that I finally get to play these games!
They're reproduction carts, but I don't care (before anyone gets all upset, I don't sell my games so don't worry about it detracting value from your original copies). I'm just happy that I finally get to play these games!
Look what was waiting for me at my front door!
They're reproduction carts, but I don't care (before anyone gets all upset, I don't sell my games so don't worry about it detracting value from your original copies). I'm just happy that I finally get to play these games!
I've never seen a repro of Centy or Musha, was that a local deal or something?
Nah, I ordered them from SNK Collectors ( http://www.snkcollectors.com/#!megadrive/cjqc ) which is a French based site that seems to be run by one guy. He's kind of slow as far as fulfilling an order is concerned, but he's a pretty cool guy to deal with.
They were all about $45 each which is a drop in the bucket compared to the eBay prices.
Jonneh3003
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I just got myself a modified PAL model 2 however when I switch to 60hz everything goes black and white. All research i've done so far points to getting an S video mod or composite output through a 32X. Does anyone know an alternative method? I wouldn't mind getting a 32X either way
Psyrgery ES
Member
I got Soleil (Crusader of Centy PAL version) in an eBay auction for 28, complete (not repro).
Got extremely lucky there. Also got Ristar for the same price and conplete.
Crusader is such a neat game, I completed it the last week and had a lot of fun.
Nice! I wish I could've found a complete retail release for a good price, so I'm definitely jealous! Yeah I heard that it's a great game on its own and also a great Legend of Zelda "clone". I mainly got it to scratch that Legend of Zelda itch, haha, but I can't wait to start playing it!
How long did it take you to beat it?
foobarry81
Member
Isn´t Soleil a whole lot more common and cheaper than Crusader of Centy?
I got my own copy for just a couple of euros more than your 28 one.
Psyrgery ES
Member
Well, I think it is more common, yes. However, almost all the copies I've come accross were in german which I don't understand.
The spanish version, that's just BS. That thing can go as high as 120, insane.
Oh, talking about auction, the other day I lost an auction for a Turtles Hyperstone Heist cartridge that got sold for 13... By 0'5...
Heh, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose
Bar81
Member
Look what was waiting for me at my front door!
They're reproduction carts, but I don't care (before anyone gets all upset, I don't sell my games so don't worry about it detracting value from your original copies). I'm just happy that I finally get to play these games!
Considering Centy is a cardboard box and Mega Man never got a US release there's no risk of that.
Piston Hyundai
Member
Cool Spot's on the Super Nintendo, too, so if you already have one of those, you can just get a copy of that.
but you should totally buy a model 1 or 2 genesis, too
Yeah I was mainly talking about Centy and MUSHA. Since a lot of the Centy cardboard boxes haven't survived the years, lots of original carts have been put into replacement cases, so the waters have been kind of muddied.
Oh, good call. Maybe I should get both. Thanks!
Isn't Cool Spot significantly better on Genny? I seem to recall reading that a couple times before.
Shadow Hog
Member
There are certainly differences, to my recollection. IIRC enemies respawn when you die in the SNES version, and the lower resolution makes a lot of the leaps-of-faith even more leap-of-faith-ier.
The original game was designed for the Genesis and ported to the SNES, so I favor the Genny one.
The controls are better on the Genesis so that really seals it. Some levels are a little different and like any other Genesis to SNES port the graphics are stretched out and fat on the SNES.
The controls are better on the Genesis so that really seals it. Some levels are a little different and like any other Genesis to SNES port the graphics are stretched out and fat on the SNES.
Shadow Hog
Member
I can't comment on how the controls are on the SNES, but I wasn't terribly satisfied with the controls on the Genesis. Like, you press left/right, you start walking in that direction uncomfortably slowly, and start walking at a more reasonable pace (perhaps even a little too fast) several seconds later. Meanwhile, you can get up to that latter speed almost instantly by jumping. Just feels off.
Flink had something similar, I noticed (sans the "jump to move faster" quirk, IIRC jumping there keeps your initial momentum). Felt off there, too.
Flink had something similar, I noticed (sans the "jump to move faster" quirk, IIRC jumping there keeps your initial momentum). Felt off there, too.
A Black Falcon
Member
My problem with Cool Spot is that, much like Global Gladiators or Taz-Mania, the game is absolutely LOADED with stupid blind jumps. I hate having to jump, not knowing if I'll end up in an instant-death pit or solid ground! That's terrible game design.
Taz in Escape from Mars cuts back significantly on this problem, to its credit, but the first game is kind of unplayable. It's kind of similar with Turrican -- the first game has more than a few blind jumps over death pits, while Turrican 2 (Univeral Soldier, on Genesis) doesn't, they fixed the problem. Universal Soldier is a pretty great game as a result; yes, the original Amiga/PC game is better, but the Genesis version is great too. The first Turrican... eh, it's the only game in the series I don't love.
Taz in Escape from Mars cuts back significantly on this problem, to its credit, but the first game is kind of unplayable. It's kind of similar with Turrican -- the first game has more than a few blind jumps over death pits, while Turrican 2 (Univeral Soldier, on Genesis) doesn't, they fixed the problem. Universal Soldier is a pretty great game as a result; yes, the original Amiga/PC game is better, but the Genesis version is great too. The first Turrican... eh, it's the only game in the series I don't love.
Spectral Glider
Member
Yeah, my love affair with Cool Spot is for the visuals and sound, the gameplay is only marginal. I don't really have the patience to play it today like I did back then.
Piston Hyundai
Member
Yeah, but I knew I was talking to maxcriden who I assume has every Nintendo product known to man, and has stayed in many of their love ho- alright I'm kidding but still, he makes it very obvious what his preference is.
Heh! Well, I only really have modern Nintendo products. VC mostly suits my retro needs. I do want to pick up a Genesis, though.
(I was also really surprised to find out how different the Genesis version of Spot Goes to Hollywood is.)
Piston Hyundai
Member
Yeah, Spot Goes to Hollywood really isn't Cool Spot 2. Another sidescroller would've been nice, but I guess it's respectable that they tried something different.
Also of note is the OJ Simpson reference in the intro for the 5th generation versions.
Shadow Hog
Member
I think he's more getting at how the game is completely different on Genesis compared to Saturn/PS1.
I mean, they're both isometric platformers, but it diverges beyond that fact.
Piston Hyundai
Member
Huh, I never realized that. Probably because I don't really care for the game too much.
Gunstarheroes
Member
That OJ bit made me laugh.
Yep, this was what I'd meant. So I'd like to check out the Genesis one as well. Still, I didn't catch the OJ reference. Totally flew by me. Pretty outré reference for the game to make!
Piston Hyundai
Member
If you consider the time the game was made and the setting of the game itself, I guess it's not completely out of nowhere. It makes more sense for a game like Duke Nukem 3D to throw an OJ reference out there, though.
blast processed
Member
It was almost expected in a game like Duke but I think it's even funnier in Cool Spot because of it's subtlety an randomness.
Shadow Hog
Member
I'd kinda like to check out Spot Goes to Hollywood on the Saturn at some point.
I dunno, I just like obscure-ish Saturn games.
I dunno, I just like obscure-ish Saturn games.
Piston Hyundai
Member
Have you played Mr. Bones yet?
You should play Mr. Bones.
You need to play Mr. Bones.
Play Mr. Bones.