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Sega Genesis/MegaDrive Appreciation Thread: Alien Storm > Golden Axe

It is a very bad game. I love the Genesis Sonic games (I hate all of the 3D ones except for Generations) but Chaotix is pretty much dog shit.
No, it's not bad. Average, yes, which is pretty "bad" for a Genesis Sonic game, but it's not a bad game compared to other games, beyond the greats like Sonic, Mario, and such.

There's very few enemies to fight.
Certainly true, the absence of obstacles and enemies is one of the biggest problems with the game.

Level select is based on a slot machine-style randomness. Unless I missed it (and I tried to look this up) there is no way to avoid getting a level you've already played. I assume that it is just completely random unless there's a secret objective or you have to get through a level with a certain team.
Replaying levels you've already played? No, you don't do that. Once you beat a stage you don't play it again. It is true that you play the levels in the five worlds in a random order, and that's another one of the games' biggest problems, but you shouldn't play levels again. What you will do is go back and forth between the five worlds, playing the next level in the randomly-selected world you're going to based on what you've beaten already in that world. The problem with the randomizer is the even difficulty between all the worlds, not what you're talking about here. Only the levels withing each world get harder, more so than each different world -- which means five levels about even, and five tiers of "difficulty".

The main gimmick of the game with the leash bs gets very tedious and slows down the gameplay.
It does make things slower than traditional Sonic, but it's an interesting idea which I think they implemented decently. They could have done better, but also could have done worse.

The level design is repetitive. Almost every single level is designed to have you go upwards in little loop-to-loops.
Yeah, the level designs are the games' biggest problem. I think it comes from the random-order issue -- because you play the worlds all at the same, they decided to have all of them be about equal in difficulty, which means that there's much less of a difficulty curve than you would have in most games. Making this worse, of course, are the incredibly boring and repetitive level designs that are mostly just empty. This was perhaps done to reduce the number or places where you could get frustrated from throwing yourself into obstacles because of the two-characters-connected-by-a-spring mechanic; by having few pits, spikes or other obstacles, and enemies, you can just fling yourself around most of the time without worrying about some random bounce killing you. That's nice in theory, but the problem is that it results in really boring stages to play.

Still though, I do like the concept, and the game looks good and plays well. Overall though, I have said before that I wish that they had made an entire game of just the bonus stages -- that'd have been awesome! Or at minimum ditch the random-order thing and bring back progression from stage to stage. Also make the levels shorter and less boring. Add more obstacles too; yes, it could cause frustration, but that'd be less bad than the degree of tedium in the game as it is. But the basic concept was worth trying. Sure, it's not as good as traditional Sonic, but sort of like with Ristar, Sega wanted to try something similar but different, a bit slower-paced but with connections to Sonic. Ristar ended up better than Chaotix for sure, but Chaotix isn't awful, just somewhat boring.
 

lazygecko

Member
I got stuck inside floors/walls all the time in Chaotix thanks to the rubber band effect from the tether mechanic making you go faster than the camera.
 
best thing about Chaotix is the sound test

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Teknoman

Member
http://www.shiningforcecentral.com/?p=studies&c=chronology

So looks like the Shining Chronology is different from release order? Or did 1 actually hit before in the darkness?

congrats oneida, that's awesome! i'm dying to find a model 1 genesis box that came with altered beast like i had in the day, no luck lately



yeah, dude put up the hack on Sega-16, it's pretty cool!



maaan, that's unfair - Knuckles is cool, it just feels kinda barren/tech-demo-y

Kolibri is neat, Space Harrier/etc was the best port until the (now expensive) Saturn ones

DOOM, Shadow Squadron etc - there's stuff to play, i just wouldn't pay a high price for it. fortunately i got mine for free, you can still (i wanna say) commonly buy em on the cheap when people list em as not working, clean the cables & be good to go, just need a trio power adapter & some cables

How could you play 32X on a Model 1 Genesis via RGB? You probably need all those brackets and junk though...
 

IrishNinja

Member
http://www.shiningforcecentral.com/?p=studies&c=chronology

So looks like the Shining Chronology is different from release order? Or did 1 actually hit before in the darkness?

How could you play 32X on a Model 1 Genesis via RGB? You probably need all those brackets and junk though...

yeah, chronology looks like SF I, then CD & gaiden stuff, then 2, then darkness, based on villains at least

and personally, i have separate RGB cables for my model 1 genny & 32X, but someone on here got me thinking i could maybe hit up retro_console and see if she could fashion something that'd work for both!
 

Teknoman

Member
Well either way, just like Resident Evil, Metal Gear, etc. its best to just play in release order i'm sure. Labyrinth time.

EDIT: Dont have time to dig in now, but maaan this Castle music I know good Genesis music has a unique feel to it, but the RPG themes created just have that extra something I cant put my finger on. I mean its not even that complex of a theme, but it just really makes you envision the tower/castle environment. This and Shining Force 1 are going to be brand new Shining soundtracks for me (the majority of CD, Wisdom, Holy Ark, and III as well, but thats for another time), so going in fresh.
 

Morrigan Stark

Arrogant Smirk
Huh I always thought Darkness was a prequel to Shining Force. Weird. I never did finish it though (lost my save and it discouraged me), maybe it makes sense.

And yes the music in Shining Force is still so cool.
 

IrishNinja

Member
Huh I always thought Darkness was a prequel to Shining Force. Weird. I never did finish it though (lost my save and it discouraged me), maybe it makes sense.

And yes the music in Shining Force is still so cool.

yeah, that was my assumption too! again it's only the lead villain's name from Darkness that tells you it's after 2 or so, and even then i think it's cause the boss from SF 1 & the witch from final gaiden or whatever game gear one it is (never played it) are his parents, apparently
 

gwailo

Banned
Returned a faulty controller I got to the local retro game store - the guy running it was cool and gave me extra store credit along with a new controller, so I also got CIB Mortal Kombat 3 and Space Harrier 2. I now have more games (at least physical copies) for my Genesis than my PS4 :)

Also have Street Fighter II CE and Lethal Enforcers on the way.
 

Morfeo

The Chuck Norris of Peace
Returned a faulty controller I got to the local retro game store - the guy running it was cool and gave me extra store credit along with a new controller, so I also got CIB Mortal Kombat 3 and Space Harrier 2. I now have more games (at least physical copies) for my Genesis than my PS4 :)

Also have Street Fighter II CE and Lethal Enforcers on the way.

This would be no contest at all for me. Exactly one game I want for the PS4 (Bloodborne). Own probably 40 for the Mega Drive - and has a list of about as many that i want to get.
 
So, fun story, i just hit 400 Boxed Genesis games on Saturday. I've been sitting at 399, and really wanted to get something cool or something i've been eyeing to cap the milestone.

Long story short, i got overexcited at a local convention, and now my 400th game is Rolo To The Rescue. I have no idea how i should feel.
 
So, fun story, i just hit 400 Boxed Genesis games on Saturday. I've been sitting at 399, and really wanted to get something cool or something i've been eyeing to cap the milestone.

Long story short, i got overexcited at a local convention, and now my 400th game is Rolo To The Rescue. I have no idea how i should feel.
Excited to hit 400.

And really, you could do a lot worse than Rolo to the Rescue. That game's a childhood favorite of mine - although it's pretty hard, pretty long, and has no saving. (Several continues, though!)
 

Morfeo

The Chuck Norris of Peace
So, fun story, i just hit 400 Boxed Genesis games on Saturday. I've been sitting at 399, and really wanted to get something cool or something i've been eyeing to cap the milestone.

Long story short, i got overexcited at a local convention, and now my 400th game is Rolo To The Rescue. I have no idea how i should feel.

Ive written about Rolo in here before, its a great game with lots of cool ideas. One of my favorite underrated plattformers on the system.
 

Galdelico

Member
So, fun story, i just hit 400 Boxed Genesis games on Saturday. I've been sitting at 399, and really wanted to get something cool or something i've been eyeing to cap the milestone.

Long story short, i got overexcited at a local convention, and now my 400th game is Rolo To The Rescue. I have no idea how i should feel.
Wow, that's a HUGE collection! I'm at 100+/close to 200 for multiple systems, but nowhere as close to such an impressive number, congrats.

Speaking of which, I just hit 49 (CIB, Japanese only games so far) yesterday... Actually, 48 and 49, thanks to Dynamite Headdy and the original Sonic the Hedgehog, that got delivered at the same time. Feels so surreal to play Sonic again on its legit hardware, after so many ports/collections/remakes.
And I'm already wondering what kind of silly purchase should I go for, in order to celebrate the 50th entry. :D
 

oneida

Cock Strain, Lifetime Warranty
friend of mine mailed me a SCART cable and ill be ordering a component adapter so that i can use it on my tv. how significant of an improvement in picture quality should this result in over RF (what im using now)?
 
friend of mine mailed me a SCART cable and ill be ordering a component adapter so that i can use it on my tv. how significant of an improvement in picture quality should this result in over RF (what im using now)?
You're basically going from a blurry, dot-crawling, rainbow-banded mess to pixels so sharp you'd think you were running an emulator on the Wii or something.

Although since you're using a Model 2, the sound will probably still be a but muffled.
 

Teknoman

Member
rock on

any recommendations for SCART-> component adapters?

Well the powered ones on Amazon / EBay are decent. They aren't too pricey and work well with no degradation... But some you might have to adjust the pots inside to get the color to match what you want ( too red, too blue, etc).

Genesis and Saturn benefit the most of the no mods needed crowd.
 

Teknoman

Member
Yeah they can strip easy :/

Sometimes you get lucky (the first one I got really didnt need adjusting till later). I did have to buy another after the other had some issues down the line. Its a clone product of a more expensive converter, so while it works the same, you might have issues down the line. Of course some people have had them much longer than me, and no issues...but it was recommended when I first got into RGB.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004XSSDPO/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Out of stock on Amazon at the moment but im sure there are alot on Ebay.

Right now mine is a bit more red on really bright white screens (say if someone blanked out in a game) but nothing to where it looks off. You wouldnt notice it unless you knew what to look for.
 

Timu

Member
I vastly prefer the Sync Strike over that scart to component adapter from my experience.

Plus no need to constantly adjust the pots for color correction.
 

Teknoman

Member
I vastly prefer the Sync Strike over that scart to component adapter from my experience.

Plus no need to constantly adjust the pots for color correction.

Doesnt that just have a vga out? I'm just looking at the picture, haven't seen one in person.

Don't forget you need an adapter to get your audio out.

Yeah that too since you have a Genesis 2. Some scart cables have Rca audio out too (Retro game cable seller on eBay anyway).
 

Timu

Member
Ah, OK. More complicated than I thought.
Yep, this is best designed for capture cards and CRTs/TVs with VGA inputs, but damn does it work well, no issues with it, and I love it, it's definitely for the best with Sega Genesis as it benefits a lot from RGB.
 
Can anyone recommend a seller for a Genesis 2 scart cable?
Something that will work with Framemeister.

EDIT: That Sync Strike looks interesting. I have a VGA display for Dreamcast already.
 

Timu

Member
Can anyone recommend a seller for a Genesis 2 scart cable?
Something that will work with Framemeister.

EDIT: That Sync Strike looks interesting. I have a VGA display for Dreamcast already.
retro_console_accessories on ebay.

Yeah it's great and works with any scart cable, plus audio out in case your scart cable doesn't have that.
 

Timu

Member
But if he were using an upscaler, he wouldn't need the SCART -> Component transcoder to begin with, let alone a SCART -> VGA one.
You only need an upscaler if your TV/CRT doesn't accept 240p, otherwise, if it does, you don't need one as it'll be just a direct connection.
 

AmyS

Member
just some reasonable sounding confirmation that Strider was indeed probably going to be a 6-megabit cart, before becoming an 8-meg cart.

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Hey, what is that Sega Cyberdome ?

Similar to Namco's Galaxian 3 Theater system.

Edit #2

I'm an idiot. On http://flyers.arcade-museum.com/ under R360 there's a flyer for this thing:

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Laws00

Member
I've never owned sonic the hedgehog 1 for sega genesis. I played it countless times. I have 2 and 3 with cases and manual.

I think i'm going to make this jump.
 

Laws00

Member
Make sure you get Sonic & Knuckles too.

I already have Sonic and Knuckles.

Sonic 1 strangely to this day I do not own (the original cart) for some reason. I own it on other versions such as mega collections, ios, and every damn other port of it but not the original
 
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