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Sega Genesis/MegaDrive Appreciation Thread: Alien Storm > Golden Axe

I'm slowly getting into wanting an Everdrive for the Genesis...and other consoles. Sigh, my wallet. And I'll selfishly throw in Dragon's Fury as my recommendation for Game of the Month :p

oh. are we starting voting already, (how much is Dragon's Fury?)

what should the price limit be set at?
 

Galdelico

Member
Nah, the idea that a game made in Europe would automatically have the correct gameplay on their PAL release is not true. Most of the time European-developed console games suffered the same flaws as their NTSC counterparts, simply because the dev units came directly from Japan and were 60Hz. It's also easier to base the speed of stuff on the framerate as it's a super reliable timing. Very rarely would you have a dev spend time and money to optimise their game for PAL-land.

I don't know about WipeOut (I only own the PAL exclusive 3SE), but I know that Tomb Raider and Rayman aren't optimised for the PAL region (Tomb Raider has landscape instead of black bars, but the models are crunched and the gameplay is slow). Checking now with a video of Mickey's wild adventure, it's also definitely slower than Mickey Mania on my Megadrive (the music is also slower which means it's not redbook btw). Crash Bandicoot is cool though. So it's like throwing a coin, sometime it is, sometime it's not ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. If it's a non-European studio, it most likely isn't.

Sub Terrania was published in a period where many PAL releases were region-locked, and some of them were PAL-optimised. Sonic Spinball and Sonic 3 got the same treatment, Legend of Thor had a shit optimisation that solves nothing but prevents the game from being played at 60Hz. before late 1993 no game were optimised, no matter the studio. Maybe SEGA, wanting to limit import madness also gave devs tools to properly develop for PAL.
Thanks man, I wasn't aware of that, and always gave for granted that any Euro-made game wouldn't suffer from horrible PALness. Usually, with the retro systems that allow it, I only buy PAL games when I'm sure they can be played at 60hz (with a few exceptions, mainly due to collecting purposes), otherwise I simply don't bother at all. With the Mega Drive/Mega-CD in particular, so far I've bought Japanese games only, and I plan to get a Game Genie and a Mega Cart eventually (every time I'm about to get them, some nicer Japanese game pops up, so I push them back, lol), but only for Genesis/SEGA-CD games. Also, I've been told the Mega Drive 2 can't run PAL50 carts through adapters, so I'm not even considering them at the moment.

Speaking of adapters... Since I'm having quite a hard time to find a Genesis Game Genie in Europe, do you guys know if those carts are region-free, so I can just use a PAL/Mega Drive GG instead, to play Genesis games on my Japanese console?
 

BTails

Member
I'm at work right now, but I can throw a banner submission up later tonight. For voting, how about one of the Shinobi games?
I've actually never played them...
 
all those games i haven't played, so any will do.

oh, i found strider w/ case for 10 bucks local, not sure if it's complete but hopefully i get it by end of today.
 
How about Rocket Knight or Ranger X!
If we follow the NES board than those 2 games are over the $10 limit. Unless we bump it to $15-$20, which I'm fine with. Also do we want to bump the games to vote in to 10? This way it will give people a chance to suggest a game that don't visit the board as often.
 
is the selection huge for 10 limit? i'm pretty new to the market, so far i've just been looking at stuff i previously owned, target earth, thunder force II, eswat and they seem to be about 12-15 loose- 20ish complete. though i haven't looked into much tbh.
 

Danneee

Member
If we follow the NES board than those 2 games are over the $10 limit. Unless we bump it to $15-$20, which I'm fine with. Also do we want to bump the games to vote in to 10? This way it will give people a chance to suggest a game that don't visit the board as often.

Well, the latest NES game was Shatterhand and that goes for about $40...
But yeah, we should have a upper limit.
 

Noahd41

Neo Member
I think 20 limit is reasonable. I also think we should start early in the Genesis's life cycle and work our way forward. Start with something common like Altered Beast or Shinobi then into some of the later stuff
 
The agreed upon price ceiling in the NES thread is $30, not $10. Shatterhand was an exception this month after some community discussion.

Since Genny game prices are not as crazy, $30 allows for a hell of a lot of great games. No reason the price yardstick has to be the same here as it is in the NES thread, though.
 

BTails

Member
I think 20 limit is reasonable. I also think we should start early in the Genesis's life cycle and work our way forward. Start with something common like Altered Beast or Shinobi then into some of the later stuff

I'm ALWAYS down for Altered Beast. I think I'm one of the few on the Defense Force for that game, haha. That being said, if we do Altered Beast, we should probably pick another early game to go with, considering you can knock out a playthrough in 20 minutes.
 

Tain

Member
I'd be interested in Rocket Knight. I've had that sitting around waiting to be beaten for a while. Same with Ranger X.
 

Noahd41

Neo Member
I'm ALWAYS down for Altered Beast. I think I'm one of the few on the Defense Force for that game, haha. That being said, if we do Altered Beast, we should probably pick another early game to go with, considering you can knock out a playthrough in 20 minutes.

I agree for sure. First month double header, started early in the library would be a good way to kick things off.

It would also be nice to not just stick to platformers. Hertzog zwei and Dune should be musts.

Optional Sega Cd and 32x games too!
 
I agree for sure. First month double header, started early in the library would be a good way to kick things off.

It would also be nice to not just stick to platformers. Hertzog zwei and Dune should be musts.

Optional Sega Cd and 32x games too!

i looked up Zwei, and it's a lot of dough!!! yikes =P

i'm cool w/ ranger X since lot of posts for it.
 
The agreed upon price ceiling in the NES thread is $30, not $10. Shatterhand was an exception this month after some community discussion.

Since Genny game prices are not as crazy, $30 allows for a hell of a lot of great games. No reason the price yardstick has to be the same here as it is in the NES thread, though.
Yeah, what the hell is wrong with me? I don't know why I thought it was $10. Wow! $30 good.
 

Dazzyman

Member
Just bought a 50Hz/60Hz switches megadrive off ebay so will be joining the club next month. Just got to save up and get some games now. I'd be up for playing a game a week/month etc... :)
 
Here are my 2 attempts.

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Just picked these up for $45, most are complete. Really excited to have ESwat again and really want to play Dick Tracy.

 
I feel like it's expensive online, but if you can find it locally a lot of people think it's just another arcade game like Galaxy force or MIG 27



I like the top, but I am sympathetic to the original Genesis box pattern
i like the top too, ok, i'll try looking local for it.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-Seg...145310?hash=item4d3fc1c51e:g:G0MAAOSwuAVWxpbA

Currently sitting at $10.49 USD with 3 hours left to bid. Get on it, David!

thanks for the heads up hope i can win it.
 

BTails

Member
Jake, I'm liking your two banners (Especially the Sonic Act Title one). Here is my humble submission, featuring my original Genesis and Altered Beast from when it was bought...

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Jake, I'm liking your two banners (Especially the Sonic Act Title one). Here is my humble submission, featuring my original Genesis and Altered Beast from when it was bought...

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Thanks. I like the Sonic banner but not the first one. I like yours with the black and white, it's got that old yearbook look to it.
 
i'm in the minority, i like the first one bc the first time i saw genesis was in MACY's,flagship dept store's electronic section. they had it set up to a mulit monitor type display and displayed like fine jewelry in a glass display. i was in awe. the box had that black/ white grid that matched everything high end. they had space harrier II running on it. Sonic was way later for me. LOL ah, the memories... but i'm good with any banner =) the first banner might look a bit too basic.


edit:
here's the strider i picked up today for 10 bucks local:
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no manual and the bottom of the cover is a bit weathered but the cart label is intact =)
 

Noahd41

Neo Member
Strider is great. I really like the animation and depth of the game. For such an early game, it is insane the amount of animation and freedom the player has on the screen between the jumps and the climbing.

I wish I had that one complete. I've got Ghouls and Ghosts complete. I wish that wasn't all we got from Capcom on the Genesis at that time
 

Sapiens

Member
Strider is great. I really like the animation and depth of the game. For such an early game, it is insane the amount of animation and freedom the player has on the screen between the jumps and the climbing.

I wish I had that one complete. I've got Ghouls and Ghosts complete. I wish that wasn't all we got from Capcom on the Genesis at that time


Mercs, dude. Mercs. Also a pretty great port.

I have a Strider - but it is a bootleg cart in an authentic case (JPN version).
 

Noahd41

Neo Member
Mercs, dude. Mercs. Also a pretty great port.

I have a Strider - but it is a bootleg cart in an authentic case (JPN version).

Thanks for the recommendation, I will check it out!

Huh? If you're talking arcade ports, there's Forgotten Worlds and The Punisher and like above Mercs.

For sure and that's great, but after 1991 Capcom really lost momentum on the Genesis and the list of games is pretty shallow compared to Sega's 16 bit rival.
 

Galdelico

Member
Huh? If you're talking arcade ports, there's Forgotten Worlds and The Punisher and like above Mercs.
Chiki Chiki Boys/Mega Twins is pretty solid too. Even Muscle Bomber/Slam Masters made its way to the MD (decent port, even if quite inferior to the SNES').
For sure and that's great, but after 1991 Capcom really lost momentum on the Genesis and the list of games is pretty shallow compared to Sega's 16 bit rival.
That's true, though. What did we get from them on? Megaman, Street Fighter II, Super SFII, Saturday Night: Slam Masters, The Punisher, I guess one of those Mickey Mous games... What else?
 

KC-Slater

Member
For sure and that's great, but after 1991 Capcom really lost momentum on the Genesis and the list of games is pretty shallow compared to Sega's 16 bit rival.

Sega did that first wave of Capcom arcade ports, internally, and just licensed the rights from Capcom, if I understand correctly. (Ghouls 'n Ghosts, Forgotten Worlds, Strider, Mercs, Chiki Chiki Boys.) This was their way around Nintendo's non-compete clause for NES third-parties, and Sega wanted to show off what their hardware was capable of, by 'bringing the arcade home', I presume.

The 'drop off' was because after that initial wave of titles Sega ported themselves, Capcom wasn't committing many resources to the system.
 

Timu

Member
We can start this Tuesday March 1st. When we reach 5 games I'll make the voting form up, give it a week allowing people to vote in. We can follow the same rules as the NES board to keep things consistent.
Cool, we should pick games in the 5-30 bucks range.

I need to do this next time I play it, reminds me of how to beat Mecha Sonic before the battle hardly starts, lol.
 
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