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[davidwhangchoi]

my thunder force III cart came... the game is a bit easy compared to II

It is a very good port. What probably sweetened the deal was the fact that Sega ported the game themselves. Same applies to Forgotten Worlds and Strider.

Super Ghouls N' Ghosts in the best of the Ghouls/Ghosts N' Goblins series tho.

maybe it was the slowdown or the lack of being able to shoot up?

Sega made ghouls n' ghost so smoooooth. i liked it better. well, my opinion doesn't really count.... i could never beat these games.

 

[ElTopo]

Super Ghouls N' Ghosts -while suffering from slowdown- is the most unique entry in the series. After the first level the game does change things up significantly when compared to other entries. Plus it has a double jump and the ability to gain additional powerups that give you a super attack and allow you to get hit -drum roll- 3 TIMES before dying.

The Master System version is interesting because it's a little bit easier and incorporates an RPG system. Otherwise it's the same game as the Genesis port.

 

[Ryck]

my thunder force III cart came... the game is a bit easy compared to II



maybe it was the slowdown or the lack of being able to shoot up?

Sega made ghouls n' ghost so smoooooth. i liked it better. well, my opinion doesn't really count.... i could never beat these games.

Im with you on this. Although I can logically see that SGnG is the better game. There is just something intangible about the Genesis version that puts it over for me.

Nostalgia perhaps, I just love everything about the Genesis version. It's my favorite of all the GnG games. (Including the arcade versions)

 

[lazygecko]

Nice, I saw when you posted this and thought I had to get around to picking it up as well. Happen to come across a cib in decent condition at a local mom n pop. Not as cheap, paid $5 for my copy.

Really surprised at how good the port looks. It really looks and plays great.

It's one of the best looking 16-bit ports of an arcade fighter for sure. But it accomplishes this by having less unique animations and just repeating the same ones at different speeds, which ultimately affects the gameplay.

 

[gwailo]

Yeah, I have the NeoGeo version on my Wii and it does play better. The Genesis version is good, but the moves seem a bit off. Or maybe I just suck at the game

Today's pickup...

Look at that big fat cartridge! Never had this back in the day because of the high $90 price tag. Now I got it for $3.49. Good to know not all games are going for grossly exaggerated Ebay scalper prices. Punisher, I'm looking at you...

 

[lazygecko]

One of the most obvious examples of the animation compromise is that Haohmaru has light stab/thrust attacks and stuff in the original, but in the Genesis version it's just sword slashes that are faster.

 

[KC-Slater]

It's one of the best looking 16-bit ports of an arcade fighter for sure. But it accomplishes this by having less unique animations and just repeating the same ones at different speeds, which ultimately affects the gameplay.

Didn't Sega do the port, internally?

 

[gwailo]

It's a Takara game.

 

[Gyrian]

It's a Takara game.

I think it's from SEGA, kind of like Art of Fighting. Takara is publishing.
EDIT: The Mega Drive box credits it to SEGA & Saurus, Takara is not even mentioned directly.

 

[davidwhangchoi]

Super Ghouls N' Ghosts -while suffering from slowdown- is the most unique entry in the series. After the first level the game does change things up significantly when compared to other entries. Plus it has a double jump and the ability to gain additional powerups that give you a super attack and allow you to get hit -drum roll- 3 TIMES before dying.

The Master System version is interesting because it's a little bit easier and incorporates an RPG system. Otherwise it's the same game as the Genesis port.

oh, there's RPG elements in master system? cool! i need to read up on that.

Im with you on this. Although I can logically see that SGnG is the better game. There is just something intangible about the Genesis version that puts it over for me.

Nostalgia perhaps, I just love everything about the Genesis version. It's my favorite of all the GnG games. (Including the arcade versions)

the water weapon looked so cool when it first came to the genesis, i later saw it in the arcade and said wow! this game looks like the genesis.

and there was the huge fuss over snes 3.58 mhz slow down so maybe that affected my bias back then and stuck w me.

"blast processing" hahaha

 

[Sir Ilpalazzo]

Im with you on this. Although I can logically see that SGnG is the better game. There is just something intangible about the Genesis version that puts it over for me.

I don't think there's any, like, "mystical quality" involved - Ghouls 'n Ghosts is just flat-out a better game. It's significantly faster-paced, the levels are denser and have less empty space than Super's, the game spends less time on totally static platforming challenges like Super (which makes Ghouls more replayable), and it's more intense (the removal of directional aiming is a massive loss for Super, and meant that enemy density had to be cut down by a lot). Super Ghouls 'n Ghosts is a really good game, but it's not better than Ghouls 'n Ghosts in any way.

 

[gwailo]

Friday night with my lovely wife. She whoops a lot of ass with Blaze!

 

[Noahd41]

I loved the CD version back when I was in college. The surround sound and FMV were amazing at the time, especially under the "enhancement" of certain substances.

I love the Sega Cd version of The Terminator. Definitely one of my favourite games of that era and the penultimate version of the game.

TBH, i was shocked that Ghouls and Ghost came out for Genesis,
i really thought nintendo had a stranglehold on capcom.

though super ghouls n' ghost came out for the snes a year later...

that game was great.

I think the Genesis version is a perfect port. I have problems with the slowdown in the SNES version. I didn't think they got it right again until the GBA version or the PSP version which was also great to me.

 

[Ryck]

I don't think there's any, like, "mystical quality" involved - Ghouls 'n Ghosts is just flat-out a better game. It's significantly faster-paced, the levels are denser and have less empty space than Super's, the game spends less time on totally static platforming challenges like Super (which makes Ghouls more replayable), and it's more intense (the removal of directional aiming is a massive loss for Super, and meant that enemy density had to be cut down by a lot). Super Ghouls 'n Ghosts is a really good game, but it's not better than Ghouls 'n Ghosts in any way.

I stand corrected :0


In truth it's been a while since I played SGnG. I remember my friends hyping up all the reasons it was better. All I remember is green armour and double jumps lol.

 

[ElTopo]

If anything the slowdown is a feature in Super Ghouls 'n Ghosts. It definitely helps you in certain situations. Same with certain Shmup titles.

 

[dreamcastmaster]

It is a very good port. What probably sweetened the deal was the fact that Sega ported the game themselves. Same applies to Forgotten Worlds and Strider.

Super Ghouls N' Ghosts in the best of the Ghouls/Ghosts N' Goblins series tho.

Yuji Naka ported Ghouls and Ghosts to the Megadrive. That engine was improved and was used for Sonic the Hedgehog. Now when you Play the Megadrive version you'll see how it was used to become Sonic.

 

[RadarScope1]

Yuji Naka ported Ghouls and Ghosts to the Megadrive. That engine was improved and was used for Sonic the Hedgehog. Now when you Play the Megadrive version you'll see how it was used to become Sonic.

Interesting. I've got to get a hold of this one. And SGnG, too. Sounds like both are worth having. As has been pointed out by people like Jeremy Parish, GnG was Capcom's biggest franchise through the 1980s. Mega Man and Street Fighter didn't take off until 90-91.

 

[Fatnick]

Yeah, I have the NeoGeo version on my Wii and it does play better. The Genesis version is good, but the moves seem a bit off. Or maybe I just suck at the game

Today's pickup...

Look at that big fat cartridge! Never had this back in the day because of the high $90 price tag. Now I got it for $3.49. Good to know not all games are going for grossly exaggerated Ebay scalper prices. Punisher, I'm looking at you...

Heh, if you think it's impressive from the outside, you should try opening it up!

http://mechafatnick.co.uk/2013/10/29/megadrives-processor/

 

[ElTopo]

Yuji Naka ported Ghouls and Ghosts to the Megadrive. That engine was improved and was used for Sonic the Hedgehog. Now when you Play the Megadrive version you'll see how it was used to become Sonic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd7tEsAuspA

 

[Sapiens]

Heh, if you think it's impressive from the outside, you should try opening it up!

http://mechafatnick.co.uk/2013/10/29/megadrives-processor/

Also mind-blowing is that computer microchip inside of that cart actually feed the MD tiles that only look like real time polygons. i mean, they're real time polygons, but the MD is outputting tile based version of them in 8x8 pixel chunks.

 

[Noahd41]

I beat Revenge of Shinobi today for the first time. Great title. I really enjoyed it. I have the other ones and I'm looking forward to next months game!

I might start to tackle Phantasy Star 2 for an rpg fix. I've only really given time to the Shining Force series as far as Sega rpgs go.

 

[davidwhangchoi]

I beat Revenge of Shinobi today for the first time. Great title. I really enjoyed it. I have the other ones and I'm looking forward to next months game!

I might start to tackle Phantasy Star 2 for an rpg fix. I've only really given time to the Shining Force series as far as Sega rpgs go.

nice! you are now a shinobi master =D (i forgot what they actually say at the end of shinobi one)

i'm still trying to get my cables for snes but i'm going to rock this game pretty soon.

i put this in the retro thread but it has a genesis game so reposting here too =)

 

[ElTopo]

And I just beat Ghouls 'n Ghosts on Genesis again. I didn't realize that it had infinite continues on Professional difficulty. That was good to know. Great port as opposed to some poor sound effects. I'm not beating it again to get the true final ending. Fuck that. To quote the AVGN: "It's like, you know what? Fuck you. I beat the game."

 

[Sir Ilpalazzo]

^Haven't beaten it until Lucifer goes down!

 

[gwailo]

Yeah, the last boss is really impressive and worth playing through to see. I was looking at Aliexpress at a repro of the game. I'm assuming these are cheap Chinese crap?

It's almost playoff time, so I picked up the OG of hockey games. Still pretty fun, even though my beloved North Stars are woefully underpowered. The other pics are some other early EA Genesis games taken from the manual, back when EA actually included manuals with their games.

 

[blast processed]

Mid month reminder to vote for the following.

1. Tiny Toon Adventures: Buster's Hidden Treasure

2. Wonder Boy III Monster Lair

3. Midnight Resistance

4. Mercs

5. ESwat

VOTE HERE!!

I plan on doing a mid-month voting reminder for those that don't frequent the board. Do you guys want an update on the results halfway through, or just wait till the end?

 

[Timu]

I voted

Spoiler

Eswat

.

 

[blast processed]

I was also thinking if people post that they completed the monthly game, I'll post it in the end of the month summary. A list at the end could be cool.


Earthworm Jim in Streets of Rage hack

 

[AmyS]

Yuji Naka ported Ghouls and Ghosts to the Megadrive.

That I've known for many years.

That engine was improved and was used for Sonic the Hedgehog. Now when you Play the Megadrive version you'll see how it was used to become Sonic.

That I never knew, til now!

And this thing, still gives me nightmares.

 

[Noahd41]

That is a great idea to post those who complete it. I voted already for this month. Looking forward to it. I only own 1/5 this time around, so it might be a good chance to expand my collection a bit.

 

[Teknoman]

I was also thinking if people post that they completed the monthly game, I'll post it in the end of the month summary. A list at the end could be cool.


Earthworm Jim in Streets of Rage hack

Yeah scoreboard would be nice.

 

[davidwhangchoi]

Mid month reminder to vote for the following.


I plan on doing a mid-month voting reminder for those that don't frequent the board. Do you guys want an update on the results halfway through, or just wait till the end?

I was also thinking if people post that they completed the monthly game, I'll post it in the end of the month summary. A list at the end could be cool.

i'm on board w/ both suggestions. i think it'll be cool to see an end of the month summary. though i voted early, good thing you reminded me about next months games, i forgot the choices.

 

[Timu]

Lol, I'll probably beat most games chosen(or the ones I want to complete at least).

 

[davidwhangchoi]

Lol, I'll probably beat most games chosen(or the ones I want to complete at least).

you probably will =D,

 

[RadarScope1]

Cannot beat the first boss in Revenge. Gonna have to bow out until next month. Feels lame but I have always been shit at Shinobi's particular type of action.

 

[blast processed]

Move in until his sword comes down then back away. Hit him in the head when it's exposed.

 

[Noahd41]

And I just beat Ghouls 'n Ghosts on Genesis again. I didn't realize that it had infinite continues on Professional difficulty. That was good to know. Great port as opposed to some poor sound effects. I'm not beating it again to get the true final ending. Fuck that. To quote the AVGN: "It's like, you know what? Fuck you. I beat the game."

I did that last night too. I hadn't played it through before. But no way I beat it "twice"

 

[RadarScope1]

Move in until his sword comes down then back away. Hit him in the head when it's exposed.

Yeah, I just can't do it. Seems like by the time you're close enough to bring his sword down, you're within his striking range. Feels like there is no extra space to work with.

 

[gwailo]

Stand on the wall on the left and use the double jump shuriken attack when the sword is down.

 

[RadarScope1]

That has to be easier. I also saw that you can jump toward him to make him swing? I've been crouching down and duck walking to get him to swing, which makes it hard as hell to jump and shoot his head.

 

[Timu]

Cannot beat the first boss in Revenge. Gonna have to bow out until next month. Feels lame but I have always been shit at Shinobi's particular type of action.

Get Pow in the room just before the boss, hopefully have the shield and let the boss have it as you can kill the boss faster with Pow.

Here's a gif I made from my no death run of it.

 

[RadarScope1]

I have no clue where that is. I just watched your vid and didn't see it anywhere in the first level.

 

[Noahd41]

That's the last level lol

 

[blast processed]

Yeah, I just can't do it. Seems like by the time you're close enough to bring his sword down, you're within his striking range. Feels like there is no extra space to work with.

You don't need to get as close as you think.

Use your ninjutsu Kariu (sp) the fire thingies to take his health down.

 

[Timu]

That's the last level lol

Yep, fail on me, oh well, at least I gave him a tip for the last boss...and for others who want to beat him a lot easier.

 

[davidwhangchoi]

That has to be easier. I also saw that you can jump toward him to make him swing? I've been crouching down and duck walking to get him to swing, which makes it hard as hell to jump and shoot his head.

honestly, when i was a kid, i just used the suicide magic. kills him in 2 blasts

 

[RadarScope1]

That's the last level lol

Timu probably just saw the word "boss" and assumed I meant the end of the game. I'm sure the idea of dying on the first level of a game is a strange concept to him. I'm just a scrub...

 

[davidwhangchoi]

Timu probably just saw the word "boss" and assumed I meant the end of the game. I'm sure the idea of dying on the first level of a game is a strange concept to him. I'm just a scrub...

did you beat the 1st boss yet?

 

[RadarScope1]

did you beat the 1st boss yet?

Just did. Had to use the double jump throwing stars. Felt cheap but got the job done. I just couldn't get a feel for making him swing. The gif posted earlier just doesn't line up with my experience. Still feels like I have to get so much closer.

Got to level 3. Really tough - tons of shit happening at once. I like the background/foreground mechanic, though.

 

[davidwhangchoi]

Just did. Had to use the double jump throwing stars. Felt cheap but got the job done. I just couldn't get a feel for making him swing. The gif posted earlier just doesn't line up with my experience. Still feels like I have to get so much closer.

Got to level 3. Really tough - tons of shit happening at once. I like the background/foreground mechanic, though.

honestly, i use the double jump most of the time. the timing is actually pretty clunky compared to the original arcade gameplay this is giving homage to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR5h0rkIDM8


and more like the sega master system boss
https://youtu.be/B3S1BQrHNmA?t=6m59s