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[Teknoman]

It's been something to "worry about" on PC Engine CD for years also.

I'm pretty sure my copy of Snatcher is legit; even came with an old receipt from its purchase in Florida back in the '90s, stuck against the back of the box - in front of the promotional spiel, but behind the plastic; wasn't TOO hard to remove it. (He paid a fourth what I did. ._.)

Its probably nothing widespread, and I know about the Sapphire repros... Even more reason to try to go complete when you can I guess.


That being said, i'm late to the party on realizing just how Asura's Wrath is just a HD Sega CD FMV game

The guys in the video are being pretty harsh. Yeah, straight up bootlegs are shitty especially (or exclusively) when sold as real versions, which the thing they are talking about can and will lead to, but repo stuff isn't bad. They seem to really hate any kind of repo stuff.

Yeah I dunno why someone would have a problem with repros in general. Translated games or hacks being played on actual hardware, in a cool looking cartridge? Yes please. Now bootlegging stuff thats available in your region and in your language? Now thats a no go.

I suppose its not really a problem if you're buying online anyway. Just check it like people do with MVS carts, and then get a refund if fake.

 

[Khaz]

I'm not sure how I feel about this.

Possible Snatcher Sega CD Scam in the works


One the one hand, i'm fine with reproduction carts of Japanese translated games or even translation patches for isos to be played on actual hardware, but this is a different ballpark. I guess its just something to worry about for Sega CD and Dreamcast though.

I have no problem with that. I have many burnt copies of games that I can't afford, for the Mega-CD, the Saturn and PS1 and for some of them I did print the art on it, just because it makes them look much better than my handwriting and allows me to quickly distinguish between them. My CD-label enabled printer died a few years ago and I bought a cheap replacement without the option. I wouldn't mind paying for the service of having artwork printed on my burnt copies.

It's how you sell it. If people are trying to pass it for the real thing, yes it's scam. But as a printing service I have absolutely no problem about it. Besides, just by looking at the data side of a disc you can see if it was burnt or pressed. fakes are almost always burnt, so you can just get a refund from eBay and incidentally keep a free copy of a game.

[edit]
Repros is like my stance on public domain. Old video-games mimic pretty well what's happening to old public domain stuff: you don't pay for the original work, said work is freely available to you in the form of ROMs on the internet. What you pay for is for an edition of it, you pay the editor for the work he puts in making a physical object containing the data you want to enjoy. You can have cheap reproductions with not much value added, like this Snatcher empty CD, or you can have pressed CD in a box with professionally printed artwork, like Sapphire. It's the same difference between buying a cheap pocket edition of Alice in Wonderland for a pound and buying the leatherbound annotated edition with original illustrations to display proudly on your shelf. I wouldn't want to pay an absurdly high price for a mint copy of the original 1865 edition just to enjoy the content of this book. You pay entirely for the work put in editing data in physical form. In any case buying an original edition doesn't pay the original author or even the original editor, you pay a reseller because he can provide you. What's important is to know what you are buying, where it comes from. I'd have no problem paying for quality reproductions of cart and CD games, as long as the seller is not trying to pretend it's an original edition.

I'd have bought that Sapphire edition if I knew about it earlier and it wasn't sold out at the original editor. It's a repro, but it's a good looking one.

 

[Teknoman]

Yeah I think Ian(?) is just worried about people trying to trade in fake rare CD games now.

 

[Bar81]

There's no point for this except bootlegging. I like how the scumbag is pretending that there is some kind of market for people who don't mind playing CD-Rs but somehow want original artwork. If you're a collector, you don't want a copy and if you don't care if it's a copy, you obviously don't care about the artwork. Anything else and you're pretty confused.

 

[Polioliolio]

And now for the results of the Lightening Force / Thunder Force IV contest!

In order of ranking:

Ace
Foxix Von: 704050


2nd
Teknoman: 677510


3rd
A Black Falcon: 446540


4th
Sixteen-bit: 217810



A pretty decent start to the first contest, especially since it was a spur of the moment event. I'll extend the length of the next to two weeks, and of course, suggestions are always open for the game played for the contests.


Thank you for playing!

Presented by SEGA

Great work guys. Wish I could have joined!
Looking forward to the next.

 

[Mercutio]

So my Genesis is now exhibiting a strange issue with horizontal sync of some kind? I'm really not sure what to make of it. I had vertical sync issues at first but jacked the sync on my XRGB up to about 20 and they went away; now it seems as if there's some sort of intermittent horizontal sync issue. The picture will just suddenly jerk left/right (not sure which) for a frame or two, then return to normal.

Has anyone seen this kind of thing before?

 

[Khaz]

There's no point for this except bootlegging. I like how the scumbag is pretending that there is some kind of market for people who don't mind playing CD-Rs but somehow want original artwork. If you're a collector, you don't want a copy and if you don't care if it's a copy, you obviously don't care about the artwork. Anything else and you're pretty confused.

I just explained why I would be interested in such service. I don't mind a copy, but I care about the artwork. What does that make me?

You're the one confused by people wanting different things than you.

 

[Bar81]

I just explained why I would be interested in such service. I don't mind a copy, but I care about the artwork. What does that make me?

You're the one confused by people wanting different things than you.

Wow. Touchy.

 

[Gunstarheroes]

The bootleg stuff is a slippery slope. People will start selling them for a profit without telling people they are bootlegs/fakes, and i'm not down with that shit. I have nothing against emulating or even making copies for yourself, but mass selling it is just a douchebag thing to do.

 

[Mercutio]

Sooner or later, no matter how good the intention of the original owner or creator, a bootleg game here or there will end up being sold as legit. It's just not a fair risk for anyone, and while we can all moan about the rising cost of our hobby, nobody is forcing us to stick with it or even play things on their original systems. There are a million emulation options that are viable and often much easier to execute than to bother with the original hardware.

 

[EmiPrime]

I'm not sure how I feel about this.

Possible Snatcher Sega CD Scam in the works


One the one hand, i'm fine with reproduction carts of Japanese translated games or even translation patches for isos to be played on actual hardware, but this is a different ballpark. I guess its just something to worry about for Sega CD and Dreamcast though.

What's the difference? Those SNES/NES "repro" sellers are reusing artwork that isn't theirs and burning ROMs of games they don't have the rights to patched with translation data that they contributed nothing to and making money off of it. I find it a bit rich that retro Nintendo collectors are getting on their high horse over this when they have buying and selling bootleg games and "reproduction" boxes for years.

I am all for people making and using ROM patches for their own use to put on their flash cart or play on an emulator but when someone sells somebody else's hard work (the patch) and intellectual property (the game ROM and artwork) they are as bad as some nobody on ebay selling a fake Snatcher CD. Sacrificing a cartridge and making a pretty sticker and box for it isn't any more noble.

 

[Khaz]

Wow. Touchy.

You're the one saying people are scumbag, making wild assumptions about what people are or aren't interested in according to your logic, accusing them of being "confused" if they don't fit in one of your box. I'm merely suggesting you try and read my position, that I explained in an admittedly quite lengthy post.

What's the difference? Those SNES/NES "repro" sellers are reusing artwork that isn't theirs and burning ROMs of games they don't have the rights to patched with translation data that they contributed nothing to and making money off of it. I find it a bit rich that retro Nintendo collectors are getting on their high horse over this when they have buying and selling bootleg games and "reproduction" boxes for years.

I am all for people making and using ROM patches for their own use to put on their flash cart or play on an emulator but when someone sells somebody else's hard work (the patch) and intellectual property (the game ROM and artwork) they are as bad as some nobody on ebay selling a fake Snatcher CD. Sacrificing a cartridge and making a pretty sticker and box for it isn't any more noble.

This is exactly what happens when you buy an authentic copy off eBay. Someone making money off someone else's work, without any retribution at all to the original creator or editor. This is what drives traditional editors to try and shut down the second-hand market.

An eBay reseller is making money by buying something and selling it at a higher price. A reproduction maker is making money by burning the rom on an eeprom, tweaking a board and soldering the eeprom on it, printing and making stickers, maybe boxes and booklets, etc.

You're not buying a patch or a rom. Those are freely available on the internet. You're buying the physical object holding them both, that had to be made by someone. As long as the copy is clearly marked as such, I have no problem in having them being sold, I may even buy some of them. The price I'm willing to pay depends on the quality of said work.

 

[IrishNinja]

What's the difference? Those SNES/NES "repro" sellers are reusing artwork that isn't theirs and burning ROMs of games they don't have the rights to patched with translation data that they contributed nothing to and making money off of it. I find it a bit rich that retro Nintendo collectors are getting on their high horse over this when they have buying and selling bootleg games and "reproduction" boxes for years.

I am all for people making and using ROM patches for their own use to put on their flash cart or play on an emulator but when someone sells somebody else's hard work (the patch) and intellectual property (the game ROM and artwork) they are as bad as some nobody on ebay selling a fake Snatcher CD. Sacrificing a cartridge and making a pretty sticker and box for it isn't any more noble.

this stance literally makes no sense - people selling legit copies of Snatcher don't contribute anything towards intellectual property, art, etc. that idea is meaningless, and part of what bothers me about the collector community - none of us are contributing to anything but our shelves. when i pay someone money to take a cart & put another (often translated, yes) ROM & art onto it, that's a service they provide - why is this a negative all of a sudden?

we can all agree selling repros/copies and passing them off as legit is scummy in literally any medium, but let's not get self-righteous about choosing to pay sometimes hundreds of dollars for a legit copy of Snatcher from a second-hand community.

*edit beaten

 

[EmiPrime]

this stance literally makes no sense - people selling legit copies of Snatcher don't contribute anything towards intellectual property, art, etc. that idea is meaningless, and part of what bothers me about the collector community - none of us are contributing to anything but our shelves. when i pay someone money to take a cart & put another (often translated, yes) ROM & art onto it, that's a service they provide - why is this a negative all of a sudden?

Resellers are selling an existing item made by the original copyright holder. Reproduction makers are making a new item based on somebody else's IP and hard work and selling it.

If you want to buy bootleg games that's your choice (we have a difference of opinion) but I don't see the difference between that and somebody selling a fake Snatcher that is obviously fake (nobody is getting tricked by a CD only Snatcher with an auction description like that).

we can all agree selling repros/copies and passing them off as legit is scummy in literally any medium, but let's not get self-righteous about choosing to pay sometimes hundreds of dollars for a legit copy of Snatcher from a second-hand community.

*edit beaten

My copy of Snatcher is a CD-R I burned myself, I don't care for the inflated prices that ebay sellers have engineered for some old games and I am all for people making their own copies (especially to expensive games) so that they can have access to classic games, not just the privileged few who can justify spending $200 on a video game. I don't think it's right however to buy and sell these fakes.

 

[IrishNinja]

Resellers are selling an existing item made by the original copyright holder. Reproduction makers are making a new item based on somebody else's IP and hard work and selling it.

you seem to be assigning a moral good (noble, etc) to an original product, so based on that:

a) a reseller comes into a handful of MUSHA's or some other wanted item, and fixes/controls the ebay market for said game with other resellers - working with them to keep the price artificially high

b) a repro vendor sells accurate copies of MUSHA (art, manual, etc) but advertises them as such

why is scenario a so much better for you, just because someone (who, like the creators, is not at all involved in this transaction) bought those games decades ago? what harm is being caused by scenario b?

If you want to buy bootleg games that's your choice (we have a difference of opinion) but I don't see the difference between that and somebody selling a fake Snatcher that is obviously fake (nobody is getting tricked by a CD only Snatcher with an auction description like that).

yeah, i don't really argue too much with this point, it's a matter of degrees and like Khaz said, i personally will only put up as much as the quality of the work.

My copy of Snatcher is a CD-R I burned myself, I don't care for the inflated prices that ebay sellers have engineered for some old games and I am all for people making their own copies (especially to expensive games) so that they can have access to classic games, not just the privileged few who can justify spending $200 on a video game. I don't think it's right however to buy and sell these fakes.

see this is where you lose me, i absolutely agree with everything up to the last sentence - sure, most anyone has access to emulation, but if someone wants to experience a game on legit hardware, why is that "not right"? you said yourself, you burned Snatcher - you can't do that with a cart. why then is that a bad thing, especially when all parties involved know the deal?

 

[EmiPrime]

you seem to be assigning a moral good (noble, etc) to an original product, so based on that:

a) a reseller comes into a handful of MUSHA's or some other wanted item, and fixes/controls the ebay market for said game with other resellers - working with them to keep the price artificially high

b) a repro vendor sells accurate copies of MUSHA (art, manual, etc) but advertises them as such

why is scenario a so much better for you, just because someone (who, like the creators, is not at all involved in this transaction) bought those games decades ago? what harm is being caused by scenario b?

I don't like either scenario. Price fixing has completely ruined collecting for certain formats, pricing out most gamers and by making fake MUSHAs inevitably some will be resold as real games (knowingly or unknowingly) years later making it almost impossible for future buyers to know what is real and what isn't. We saw this happen to the Neo Geo for certain games.

So yeah, both are morally dubious.

yeah, i don't really argue too much with this point, it's a matter of degrees and like Khaz said, i personally will only put up as much as the quality of the work.



see this is where you lose me, i absolutely agree with everything up to the last sentence - sure, most anyone has access to emulation, but if someone wants to experience a game on legit hardware, why is that "not right"? you said yourself, you burned Snatcher - you can't do that with a cart. why then is that a bad thing, especially when all parties involved know the deal?

Everdrives are great for this purpose.

 

[Shadow Hog]

It'd be really nice if games could go into the public domain, but Disney's kinda screwed over the "public domain" concept by continuously getting Congress to lengthen the amount of time for a work to enter it such that "Steamboat Willie" never enters it, IIRC. So, y'know, unless anyone knows any pre-1928 video games...

Copyright protection lasts 50 years after the author's death, or 75 years in the case of a corporation. As such, Donkey Kong won't be entering public domain until 2089, assuming Miyamoto implausibly died right this second.

 

[sixteen-bit]

It'd be really nice if games could go into the public domain, but Disney's kinda screwed over the "public domain" concept by continuously getting Congress to lengthen the amount of time for a work to enter it such that "Steamboat Willie" never enters it, IIRC. So, y'know, unless anyone knows any pre-1928 video games...

Copyright protection lasts 50 years after the author's death, or 75 years in the case of a corporation. As such, Donkey Kong won't be entering public domain until 2089, assuming Miyamoto implausibly died right this second.

ugh, that's kinda shitty

fuck the mouse

 

[ZealousD]

ugh, that's kinda shitty

fuck the mouse

Its sort of ironic considering how much money Disney has made off of public domain works.

 

[A Black Falcon]

It'd be really nice if games could go into the public domain, but Disney's kinda screwed over the "public domain" concept by continuously getting Congress to lengthen the amount of time for a work to enter it such that "Steamboat Willie" never enters it, IIRC. So, y'know, unless anyone knows any pre-1928 video games...

Copyright protection lasts 50 years after the author's death, or 75 years in the case of a corporation. As such, Donkey Kong won't be entering public domain until 2089, assuming Miyamoto implausibly died right this second.

I expect that eventually corporations will get a permanent copyright to anything they want to keep copyright for. That's clearly the direction we're going in...

 

[televator]

I'm okay with reproduction... to every extent. Hell, I'd like to buy that Snatcher disk. As long as its personal or kept clearly marked in attempt to sell, its all good. If someone tries to sell a repro work and makes no indication that it isn't original, then that's a moral stain on that seller, not the original repro producer.

And yeah, it is ironic to me how many people on the moral high horse about... illicit copies are also more than happy to buy up copied artwork for cases, sticker labels, etc...that are also no less copyrighted and originally produced by the hard work of an artist.

 

[lostinblue]

^ Worse than that, I've never seen a printed reproduction that can be considered professional work.

And people don't realize how much hard work that would be (I tried, paying work appeared though and I gotta give it priority).

Anyway, proper work having being done and source being remastered is easily worth a sale. A reprinted scan really isn't as even a monkey can pull that. I see people selling SNES boxes on ebay for £15 and I really don't know how they get the guts.

 

[Teknoman]

On that note, is there anything really to the 32X? I know I wanna play Knuckles Chaotix again (guilty pleasure) and I liked Virtua Racing back in the day...but does it have the best ports of say... MK II or Afterburner? Any good imports?

 

[Timu]

On that note, is there anything really to the 32X? I know I wanna play Knuckles Chaotix again (guilty pleasure) and I liked Virtua Racing back in the day...but does it have the best ports of say... MK II or Afterburner? Any good imports?

I heard Blackthorne was good on there.

 

[sixteen-bit]

On that note, is there anything really to the 32X? I know I wanna play Knuckles Chaotix again (guilty pleasure) and I liked Virtua Racing back in the day...but does it have the best ports of say... MK II or Afterburner? Any good imports?

Afterburner is gimped on 32X (framerate dropped from 60 down to 30). MK2 certainly isn't the best version either.

Blackthorne as mentioned earlier is best played on 32X.

 

[Shadow Hog]

IIRC the port of Virtua Fighter is somehow better than the Saturn port. (Not better than Remix, surely, and no way it's better than any version of VF2 other than the Genesis one Sega keeps trotting out for unknowable reasons, but nevertheless...)

 

[sixteen-bit]

 

[ZealousD]

Afterburner is gimped on 32X (framerate dropped from 60 down to 30). MK2 certainly isn't the best version either.

Blackthorne as mentioned earlier is best played on 32X.

I prefer the SNES version of Blackthorne myself. The 32x version went for terribad rendered psuedo-3D with its character sprites. As a result the characters look like they're made out of clay. It betrays the game's tone. It also has that obnoxious flowery inventory bar on the right side. The SNES version is far more visually consistent and it's Blizzard's original vision.

The 32x version also just straight up costs a lot more. It might have a couple advantages in other areas like extra levels and blood, but the SNES version is far cheaper and just looks way better imo.

IIRC the port of Virtua Fighter is somehow better than the Saturn port. (Not better than Remix, surely, and no way it's better than any version of VF2 other than the Genesis one Sega keeps trotting out for unknowable reasons, but nevertheless...)

Wasn't it the AI or something?

 

[Teknoman]

Mind blown. So many western releases got altered movie cover art lol. I wouldnt be surprised if the majority of early action games were like that.

 

[IrishNinja]

damn, that movie poster is...damn

Everdrives are great for this purpose.

sure are
you know what else works? repros

On that note, is there anything really to the 32X? I know I wanna play Knuckles Chaotix again (guilty pleasure) and I liked Virtua Racing back in the day...but does it have the best ports of say... MK II or Afterburner? Any good imports?

After Burner & Space Harrier were easily the best ports for their time & worth checking out, Kolibri is arguably the greatest hummingbird simulator of our time

 

[Bar81]

You're the one saying people are scumbag, making wild assumptions about what people are or aren't interested in according to your logic, accusing them of being "confused" if they don't fit in one of your box. I'm merely suggesting you try and read my position, that I explained in an admittedly quite lengThy post.

You're trying to put lipstick on a pig; it's quite sad. Just accept that you have a bootleg and be happy to play the game and stop trying to compensate for the fact it's not an original.

 

[Khaz]

You're trying to put lipstick on a pig; it's quite sad. Just accept that you have a bootleg and be happy to play the game and stop trying to compensate for the fact it's not an original.

Different people want different things. Stop insulting them.

 

[BumblebeeCody]

The bootleg stuff is a slippery slope. People will start selling them for a profit without telling people they are bootlegs/fakes, and i'm not down with that shit. I have nothing against emulating or even making copies for yourself, but mass selling it is just a douchebag thing to do.

True but this has been going on for years. So it's hard to be pissed by it now.

 

[Bar81]

Different people want different things. Stop insulting them.

I didn't insult you; you're the one who flew into a tizzy at the word "confused", which you certainly are (and which, I suspect, is why you reacted so strongly to it). I was just trying to help you to stop deluding yourself with what you have (a bootleg) and learn to enjoy it for what it is (a bootleg which allows you to enjoy the game) - which is obviously a wasted effort on my part.

 

[coughlanio]

I have a PAL Mega Drive Model 1, with 60hz/Language switches. Considering picking up a Mega Everdrive so I can play the 60hz versions of 50hz optimized games I own. Because the Everdrive supports 32X games and Mega CD BIOS, I've been thinking of picking up a 32X (I already have a few games, Doom, Star Wars and Mortal Kombat II) and Mega CD.

My question is, would my best bet be to pick up a US/JP 32X and Mega/SEGA CD? I presume, with my Mega Drive in 60hz mode, I should be able to play 32X games and Mega CD games at 60hz from any region using the Everdrive? I'm visiting Japan in a couple of months, so would like to pick up some Mega CD games while I'm there.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Mind blown. So many western releases got altered movie cover art lol. I wouldnt be surprised if the majority of early action games were like that.

Even funnier, final fight 2 has some of the same poses as the sor1 box art. I wonder if it was commissioned by the same artist.

 

[EmiPrime]

I have a PAL Mega Drive Model 1, with 60hz/Language switches. Considering picking up a Mega Everdrive so I can play the 60hz versions of 50hz optimized games I own. Because the Everdrive supports 32X games and Mega CD BIOS, I've been thinking of picking up a 32X (I already have a few games, Doom, Star Wars and Mortal Kombat II) and Mega CD.

My question is, would my best bet be to pick up a US/JP 32X and Mega/SEGA CD? I presume, with my Mega Drive in 60hz mode, I should be able to play 32X games and Mega CD games at 60hz from any region using the Everdrive? I'm visiting Japan in a couple of months, so would like to pick up some Mega CD games while I'm there.

It doesn't matter what region Mega CD you choose, it will be 60Hz if that's what your MD has. You can also use the Everdrive to load different region BIOS for the Mega CD.

32X you will have to buy a US/JP one or a modded 50/60Hz PAL as that uses its own video output.

 

[A Black Falcon]

On that note, is there anything really to the 32X? I know I wanna play Knuckles Chaotix again (guilty pleasure) and I liked Virtua Racing back in the day...but does it have the best ports of say... MK II or Afterburner? Any good imports?

Space Harrier, Shadow Squadron, and Virtua Racing Deluxe are the best 32X games. Other good 32X games include Metal Head, Star Wars Arcade, Virtua Fighter, Blackthorne, After Burner, Kolibri, Zaxxon's Motherbase 2000 (think Viewpoint, not Zaxxon), Tempo, Knuckles Chaotix (particularly for the bonus stages, the main game has problems), Star Trek: Starfleet Academy - Starship Bridge Simulator, NBA Jam T.E. (with real scaling, unlike the 8/16-bit versions!), and maybe a few more. I also find T-Mek and Motocross Championship entertaining, even though most people seem to dislike those two. MKII for 32X is fun as well, though it's not too much of an improvement over the Genesis version.

 

[ElTopo]

I was browsing the Game Grumps youtube channel and saw that they started playing Decap Attack. I had heard of this game before and saw bits of gameplay but for whatever reason never played it. I made it about halfway through the GG video before turning it off (for some reason Egoraptor hates the Genesis, I dunno about Danny) and gave it a shot.

I'm 2 levels in and it's really fun. Like a horror version of Sonic. Good game, I don't like being forced to collect an item before I can finish a stage but otherwise it's really good. Fits in perfectly with The Haunting: Starring Polterguy and Splatterhouse 2 and 3 for Genesis horror games.

 

[ZealousD]

I was browsing the Game Grumps youtube channel and saw that they started playing Decap Attack. I had heard of this game before and saw bits of gameplay but for whatever reason never played it. I made it about halfway through the GG video before turning it off (for some reason Egoraptor hates the Genesis, I dunno about Danny) and gave it a shot.

They're both Nintendo diehards. Its depressing. There's still way too much dismissiveness and ignorance about the Genesis.

 

[ElTopo]

The Genesis Aladdin playthrough was sad.

 

[SeventhSon]

Be glad of the Sega skeptics out there keeping collecting prices down.

 

[ElTopo]

Okay, starting to notice two things about Decap Attack.

1: the game is very stingy in handing out extra health. If you start the game with the default 2 health it's really tough.

2: there's quite a bit of cheap enemy placement. Particularly those penguins with the arrows.

 

[Peagles]

Be glad of the Sega skeptics out there keeping collecting prices down.

Haha pretty much. Let the hate flow, keep the prices low.

 

[Foxix Von]

Haha pretty much. Let the hate flow, keep the prices low.

Amen.

I snagged a SNES not too long ago only to realize I can't afford to collect any of the decent games on the system. The levels of hype and inflation around SNES games is insane.

 

[ElTopo]

The Genesis and NES are probably my favorite consoles of all time. NES particularly had a lot of obscure but really good games such as (off the top of my head) Shatterhand and Kickmaster. I tried to come up with a top 10 list for the Genesis and I just couldn't decide and came up with a top 20.

Gunstar Heroes, Zombies Ate My Neighbors, Sonic and Knuckles 3, YuYu Hakusho Makyo Toitsusen, Splatterhouse 3, Comix Zone, Streets Of Rage 3, Castlevania Bloodlines, Contra: Hard Corps, Earthworm Jim, Elemental Master, Golden Axe, Rocket Knight Adventures, Flashback, Dynamite Heady, The Haunting: Starring Polterguy, Shinobi 3, Ren & Stimpy: Stimpy’s Invention, Alien Storm, Ristar.

So many GDLK beat 'em ups on the Genesis.

 

[Mercutio]

So my Genesis is now exhibiting a strange issue with horizontal sync of some kind? I'm really not sure what to make of it. I had vertical sync issues at first but jacked the sync on my XRGB up to about 20 and they went away; now it seems as if there's some sort of intermittent horizontal sync issue. The picture will just suddenly jerk left/right (not sure which) for a frame or two, then return to normal.

Has anyone seen this kind of thing before?

So did anyone have any ideas about this? I'm kind of thinking I should just get a very late Model 2 Genesis and deal with sound oddities. Even opening up the Model 1 system to check things out is jury rigged in ways I haven't ever seen with other systems; everything inside the upper shell is SEALED with melted plastic!

As well, does the Model 2 have overscan like the Model 1?

 

[Foxix Von]

So did anyone have any ideas about this? I'm kind of thinking I should just get a very late Model 2 Genesis and deal with sound oddities. Even opening up the Model 1 system to check things out is jury rigged in ways I haven't ever seen with other systems; everything inside the upper shell is SEALED with melted plastic!

As well, does the Model 2 have overscan like the Model 1?

Whaaaaaat? I would love to see pictures of this. That sounds bizarre.

 

[Mercutio]

Whaaaaaat? I would love to see pictures of this. That sounds bizarre.

I'll take some shots tonight. I've threatened to before, but haven't. It's... it's so stupid. I have one broken Model 1 that won't output picture, right? But the case is in great shape, except for the power switch, which is broken. Well, fuck you if you want to fix that! Instead of having little plastic bits snapped together that can be pried apart like most systems, or heaven forbid screws, it's SEALED with black plastic, melted together. The Japanese made system I've got is better in this regard, the plastic is melted together with a little more care. The one from Taiwan with the broken power switch? Complete mess.

 

[televator]

So did anyone have any ideas about this? I'm kind of thinking I should just get a very late Model 2 Genesis and deal with sound oddities. Even opening up the Model 1 system to check things out is jury rigged in ways I haven't ever seen with other systems; everything inside the upper shell is SEALED with melted plastic!

As well, does the Model 2 have overscan like the Model 1?

The plastic aint normal at all, if that wasnt obvious. That almost sounds like terrible glue gun work... is your system moded?