I'd like to see a campaign in Elvish Oregon and Amerindian Washington.
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Shadowrun: Hong Kong Kickstarter - $100k; already in dev, mid-2015 release, PC only
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I'd like to see a campaign in Elvish Oregon and Amerindian Washington.
MisterShine
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If you think you'd like to try another Dragonfall playthrough, absolutely. The five missions they added are all pretty stellar, as well as the new endings/epilogue screens. It all fits right into the main campaign. If you just completed DF or don't really feel like another go through, I wouldn't say it's worth it just for a few more hours of content on a 20~ hour experience.
Sioux Nation game.
Chairman Yang
if he talks about books, you better damn well listen
Thanks for the info. Maybe I'll replay it later in preparation for SR:HK.
Poodlestrike
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Mechwarrior Tactics, right? I remember looking into that for a bit. Couldn't make heads nor tails of the gameplay, though, and I suppose that's probably for the best
Damn shame, MechCommander was one of my favorite strategy games as a kid. Introduced me to SRPGs in a sense.OT: As for "next setting," New York seems like an interesting prospect. You've got Manhattan, Inc. pretty well established, but the rest of the boroughs are pretty loosely defined from what I understand. Lots of room to play around.
Soyongdori
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Are they at least gonna upgrade the main character models? Character models for both Shadowrun Returns games are pretty bad, while unique NPC models like Lucky Strike and Monika had a pretty good character model.
I hope they at least give us more options for character models to choose from.
Vyse The Legend
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I assume the name is a placeholder, right?
Shadowrun: Hong Kong is the blandest of the three titles, and I rather liked that Dragonfall's name referred to an actual event in the mythology.
Shadowrun: Hong Kong is the blandest of the three titles, and I rather liked that Dragonfall's name referred to an actual event in the mythology.
exmachina64
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Fuck yes.
E_Darkness
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I'm looking forward to what the matrix will be like in HK now. I was always a bit iffy on it. It was serviceable and I never looked forward to using it, or even opted to just avoid the decker options.
This kickstarter has 20+ days left so I think it is totally possible to get that extra $300k. I hope it gets met as an epilogue mission sounds like it'll be rad if it can be done right.
This kickstarter has 20+ days left so I think it is totally possible to get that extra $300k. I hope it gets met as an epilogue mission sounds like it'll be rad if it can be done right.
Gurgelhals
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Expanded Matrix get! :-D
Now for that final 1mio stretch goal. Might take a while, but it is definitely attainable.
Now for that final 1mio stretch goal. Might take a while, but it is definitely attainable.
Intheflorsh
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Vyse The Legend
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Sounds amazing, especially the set pieces part.
My biggest gripe with the Matrix has been that it was always limited to a local network/system. It never felt like the vast cyberspace that it actually is.
It's okay - it's more the sounds of the AI enemies and the weapons.
BZZZ
WOOOM
etc.
I thought I was going crazy sometimes whenever I had to reload a matrix battle.
toastyToast
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Glad to see it hit 700k. That 1m goal should't be any trouble.
Finished Dragonfall yesterday. Fantastic game. The home stretch really made me wish that I had invested in some conversational stats. Strength only goes so far. I ended up
Finished Dragonfall yesterday. Fantastic game. The home stretch really made me wish that I had invested in some conversational stats. Strength only goes so far. I ended up
letting APEX go and I killed feuerschwinge. Felt bad for old hippy dragon but I wasn't entirely sure what to do. Once I got back to Kreusbasar I received a call from Monika/APEX and it started making threats, I told it to fuck off then it switch to fried Monika uugh. Next time I'm killing that piece of shit. In the end I was working for another dragon the whole time. wat?
Why? Its a nice song.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
A - FREAKIN - GREED. Great song, but hoooooly hell, diversify this time around. I can't deal with the same looping song for what seems like an eternity. Different areas, different song. Game music is not expensive, there is no need to cut corners on it. Hell, they could throw a "submit your tracks and have them featured in the follow up to 2014's GOTY" contest and use the best three.
Anything but that damn song again. BINGO, Yankee Doodle Dandy, All About That Bass, MMmBop, anything.
Sculpted systems sound like a nice improvement. Guess we'll have to wait and see if the new IC makes matrix combat more interesting.
That's why shamans are the most fun class to play. High charisma opens doors for you + their spells and spirits are good combat support. And it always feels rewarding to summon a spirit for free from a skull point in the midst of enemy ranks.
That's why shamans are the most fun class to play. High charisma opens doors for you + their spells and spirits are good combat support. And it always feels rewarding to summon a spirit for free from a skull point in the midst of enemy ranks.
Gurgelhals
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This is actually one of my central issues with character progression in DMS / DF: Charisma is a must for every main character, because he or she is always the one doing the talking. However, if you're not playing a shaman, then charisma is a useless investment beyond that. In DF, I played a decker that was also skilled with assault rifles (seems to me the most natural choice considering the other party members available and that you're basically replacing Monika) and had to dump a lot of karma into charisma that I could've used otherwise.
I doubt that HBS can do something about it though. Having the NPC with the highest charisma taking over conversations certainly wouldn't be right.
ended up listening to the entire thing by mistake.
This sounds great. The Matrix definitely needed a revamp, and I'm glad they're specifically looking at non-combat aspects.
Yes, shamans are a bit overpowered. Then again, so is anybody who can use automatic weapons, which are just way too powerful IMO.
Perhaps a solution for more balance would be to decouple etiquette from charisma and make it a separate knowledge skill, like in the pen & paper game. Higher charisma could still get you some additional conversation choices (as people would like you more), but shamans would also have to invest karma in etiquette along with everybody else to gain access to the full spectrum. It's not quite logical that looking/acting impressive should net you specialised knowledge on how to move in certain subcultures, anyway.
Of course you would have to rebalance karma gains and the rest of the skill tree to make it fit, or people would just give up on the negotiating route altogether in favor of combat skills.
KyanMehwulfe
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best part of the Matrix on the SNES and Genesis was stealing data to sell or cash from bank acounts haha
it would be cool if the 1m stretch goal was a sort sandbox free roam story that, while a few hours in terms of story, could be replayed endlessly like doing runs on the Genesis, raiding corp HQs
I love the story pacing they're achieving but I'd be pretty OK with some repeatable content so I can just enjoy the pure gameplay with randomly generated areas day-in and day-out (on the side, of course; not as a replacement for the awesome story work they're doing).
Yeah, having the primary conversation attribute also be the primary attribute of one class is clearly not very good for balancing. There are of course some opportunities to use other attributes (intelligence, willpower, even strength) in conversation, but they are much more rare.
I honestly hate the way etiquettes work in the game. It would probably have been more interesting if they did something like spread the different types of etiquette out across all the stats, so if you put enough points into strength you can pick stuff like "Gang" or "Security" while charisma allows you to have "Socialite" or "Street", Intelligence for "Academic" and "Corporate", and so on.
Gurgelhals
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Something like that would make sense, yeah. In general, speech checks were a bit unbalanced in the first two campaign. While the fact that speech checks were made against attributes, skills AND etiquettes makes sense story-wise, it also led to some of them being totally useless and others being way overused (for instance, I can't remember one run where there wasn't at least one decking skill check, while something like willpower was never used - or perhaps once during the Aztech run). In short, the higher the amount of variables for skill and/or speech checks, the more effort should go into balancing the actual campaigns.
Intelligence is probably the most used stat in checks. Between it, decking and drone control I feel it easily matches if not beats Charisma + etiquette. Frankly expecting INT and CHA not to have more checks make me wonder what rpgs you guys have been playing. Thats standard.
Also most fun is combat decker specced into Charisma with str as the dump stat. But I also played a high charisma street samurai with int as a dump. Havent played a spellcaster yet. If you can dump INT then you can dump CHA as well though i probably wouldnt dump both.. Just make sure you get enough for chi casting 2 cause magic resist 1 is sweet.
I'm not expecting that at all.
The central issue is that charisma is both the main stat used in stat checks and as important for combat for shamans as any other primary stat for other classes.
I just did the same thing I do in games like Fallout and Planescape etc, and put all my points towards giving me more dialog options / stats that let me pass the various skill checks. The combat in these types of games is generally not that hard that you really need to boost your combat stats much at all really.
Shake Appeal
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This is what I rolled for my only Dragonfall playthrough. Didn't occur to me until just now that it was probably the best way to go.
KyanMehwulfe
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$712k now and still 20 days... thing has some serious sustained steam
hopefully there's a big push at the end, too... something about conserving ammo until the end to avoid cutting a deal with a dragon lol
hopefully there's a big push at the end, too... something about conserving ammo until the end to avoid cutting a deal with a dragon lol
GavinUK86
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Looks like they're going to be talking about the game tomorrow at 8pm EST / 1am GMT on http://www.twitch.tv/arvaneleron.
I hope they adjust the difficulties for the next game, in addition to all the stuff talked about in the posts above. Feels like raising it just ups the dodge and accuracy of the enemies, and because the enemies are never truly dangerous, the encounters turn into long slogs made long only because of my immense miss rate. Only time I got above 90% accuracy was when I stood on a major leyline with Aim III up.
I'd prefer it if going to hard or v.hard allowed the enemy ai to attack more than once per round, and to utilize grenades on single targets, rather than everyone turning into evade tanks.
I'd prefer it if going to hard or v.hard allowed the enemy ai to attack more than once per round, and to utilize grenades on single targets, rather than everyone turning into evade tanks.
The second part of the Rock Paper Shotgun interview has just gone up, with the developers answering some user questions.
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/01/29/next-shadowrun-game/
Excerpt:
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/01/29/next-shadowrun-game/
Excerpt:
LurkerPrime
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I'd prefer a Fire Emblem-style difficulty setting, stats remain largely the same but the encounters themselves are beefed up to make them more interesting and difficult, perhaps even changing how some events play out.
Good article. Thanks for the link.
The Harebrsained Schemes folks say all the right things. It really seems that they get what to focus on, what to improve, and what is Shadowrun. I have high hopes for Hong Kong.
Gurgelhals
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We've passed $750k. I guess it's going to need a bit of an extra push towards the end to get to 1 mio, but I'm confident that it's going to get there.
I played on normal and I found myself missing shots way, way more than I expected. I really have to wonder if the hit percentage is accurate, or if it doesn't factor in enemy stats like dodge.
Pilgrimzero
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I started up Dragonfall DC and made a straight Decker w/ a pistol. I could NOT get passed the tutorial.
Lessened my Decker stats to put more into shooting plus took Assault Rifles instead. Doing much better. Kind of lame though.
I do notice that INT and Decker checks pop up a lot in conversations and to insta-hack things, but man do I barely do any actual decking. Makes me miss my Street Sam since mostly just shoot things in meat space anyways. Those high INT convo stuff is nice though.
I hope in Hong Kong that if you play a Decker that actually means something besides being just OK with a gun and giving a % boost to shoot a guy.
Lessened my Decker stats to put more into shooting plus took Assault Rifles instead. Doing much better. Kind of lame though.
I do notice that INT and Decker checks pop up a lot in conversations and to insta-hack things, but man do I barely do any actual decking. Makes me miss my Street Sam since mostly just shoot things in meat space anyways. Those high INT convo stuff is nice though.
I hope in Hong Kong that if you play a Decker that actually means something besides being just OK with a gun and giving a % boost to shoot a guy.
MisterShine
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There's always a big push in the last few days, I'm pretty confident we'll get over the finish line.
Decker with a pistol is just weak period. Should went decking and shotguns or rifles. Pistols are just weak for main combat. You need that big overwatch damage.
LurkerPrime
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My Dragonfall Decker was soft in meatspace, so the accuracy focus of pistols helped offset that drawback... at least in the beginning, before she became a combat goddess. (But that's another story.)
I actually didn't mind the weapon balance in the Shadowrun games. Individual weapon choice and general tactics available turn-to-turn have felt more varied overall than, say, Wasteland 2. W2's longer, more numerous battles are probably biasing things, though...
The reason accuracy goes down on higher difficulty levels is cause the enemies have more points in dodge and quickness. And yes it would be nice if Shadowrun could go full XCOM and we could supress, use cover destruction, flush enemies, etc. But that would require dat money.
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