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[MWS Natural]

Did someone go back and delete all the info out of this article or am I going crazy??

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_cdd4c104-6086-506e-9ee8-aa957a31fee5.html

 

[CrimsonCommie]

Which is why Defense Attorneys usually decline unless they believe the prosecution will not push for indictment.

Yep. I believe that everybody from the chief of police to the governor should be charged as an accomplice to murder from how they have all handled this case and tried to cover it up.

 

[Jado]

As I said in the Ferguson thread, not at all surprising. No one in the state and local government actually wants to deal with Mike Brown's killing or the overarching issues or race and policing. The governor wants this whole issue to go away as much as the police do.

Probably hoping that another major police scandal far from Ferguson draws attention away since it's already dying down.

 

[Vyer]

Did someone go back and delete all the info out of this article or am I going crazy??

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_cdd4c104-6086-506e-9ee8-aa957a31fee5.html

It has some sort of weird survey question pop out that if you answer it will continue the article.

 

[Malyse]

Veteran defense attorney John Rogers, who is not involved in this case, said Wednesday, “It’s unusual but not unheard of for a prosecutor to extend an invitation” for the target of an investigation to testify to a grand jury. He said he had rarely allowed it.

Witnesses cannot take their attorneys inside the grand jury chamber, although the witnesses may interrupt the proceedings to go outside for a consultation.

“You don’t always want to preview what your defense would be at such an early stage,” Rogers explained. He added, “I would only consider allowing my client to testify at a grand jury proceeding if I was convinced that the prosecutor presenting the evidence to the (grand jury) was convinced that his testimony would help them reach the decision not to indict.”

Also.

McCulloch has pledged to present every witness and every shred of evidence to let the grand jurors independently decide whether to indict Wilson, without the prosecutor making a recommendation.

 

[captive]

This post indicates that you don't in fact know how grand juries work, and are not all that familiar with this one in particular, since you're apparently unaware that Wilson has testified.



Well don't do that! The forum would certainly be poorer without hyperbolic reposting of other people's work and repeated use of the phrase gat damn.

no, I was not aware he had testified, my wife just had a baby so sorry I'm not 100% up to date on every menial fact.
However, the fact STILL remains that the PUBLIC has not heard from Wilson, nor have there been any incident reports filed and when asked for them the ACLU received a blank white page.

But please, do tell me what exactly in my post is incorrect, because simply saying "that's incorrect" doesn't actually prove that what I said was incorrect.


The fact that you think what is going on in this situation is normal tells me a lot more about you.

 

[MWS Natural]

It has some sort of weird survey question pop out that if you answer it will continue the article.

Oh ok thanks, my pop up blocker must have gotten it.

 

[Malyse]

Did someone go back and delete all the info out of this article or am I going crazy??

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_cdd4c104-6086-506e-9ee8-aa957a31fee5.html

I posted it in the thread for that very reason.

 

[freddy]

Forgive me, but who is Shaun King?

Shaun King
@ShaunKing

Author; Techie; Humanitarian; Family Man
Calabasas, CA

http://www.100lifegoals.com/

That's all I could find, really. He tweeted a lot during the Ferguson riots, I remember.

Edit: Hehe

Shaun King hates labels I think.

An entrepreneur, author, social media leader, humanitarian, and activist, if you ask 100 people who Shaun King is you'll likely get 100 wildly different answers, but all of them will be at the intersection of technology, innovation, and social good.

 

[Weiss]

Christ, if Michael's death caused mass, week long riots, I can't imagine what it'll be like if that fucking scumbag gets away with his crime

 

[BigDug13]

As a Bucs fan, I thought it was this Shaun King. Same spelling and everything.

 

[enanogrande]

I posted it in the thread for that very reason.

It's locked behind a survey. No one deleted the article.

 

[Malyse]

Christ, if Michael's death caused mass, week long riots, I can't imagine what it'll be like if that fucking scumbag gets away with his crime

Imagine the same but with police saying justice was served and the system works.

It's locked behind a survey. No one deleted the article.

You misunderstand.

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=130538891&postcount=40

Entire text of that article right here.

 

[Vermillion]

Eh. I defer to Dude Abides on legal matters.

That said, it does seem awfully corrupt outside of the timing for the grand jury proceedings.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Either the justice system will miraculously come through, or the usual will run its course...and it will get very hot in America.

I'm going on with my daily life but keeping a white hot mote of rage in the back of my mind

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Woah.

 

[Omega]

if nothing happens to those in power i think im gonna just walk my ass over to canada

this shit is insane

 

[ishibear]

Inconceivable. So much corruption.

 

[Big Baybee]

Shits going to hit the fan when he's not charged. Because he is not going to be charged and at this point I think everyone knows this.

 

[RedSwirl]

What still get's to me is everything we've heard about stuff going on elsewhere in Missouri, like the police force Wilson was with prior to Ferguson, and other similar situations elsewhere in the state. This is way bigger than Ferguson.

 

[lednerg]

Thanks for the thread and for gathering all those articles, DreamDrop. I knew McCulloch was crooked, but this is truly beyond the pale. I was optimistic about a conviction due to the overwhelming evidence, but now it's clear that the whole thing's rigged.

...
I'm surprised GAF has multiple experts on grand jury proceedings who can can have such confidence that a January decision date is so wildly inappropriate.

This post indicates that you don't in fact know how grand juries work, and are not all that familiar with this one in particular, since you're apparently unaware that Wilson has testified.

Well don't do that! The forum would certainly be poorer without hyperbolic reposting of other people's work and repeated use of the phrase gat damn.

This attitude is entirely uncalled for.

 

[PopeReal]

Corruption and cover up. Plainly spelled out.

But many of my fellow Americans will continue to think that he deserved to die.

We need change and we need it fast or this shit is going to blow up. Maybe the blow up is needed to get change, I don't know.

 

[LilWayneSuckz]

Ugh, reading this makes me horribly irritated...

Stuff like this only furthers people's distrust and hatred of the police, and also in this case the distrust of local government.

 

[apocalidiot]

That story is a MUST read for anyone skimming this thread.

This makes me sick to my fucking stomach. Some things I copy pasted that make me want to puke

Union representatives told News 4 police and the union must forge an agreement on what the recordings will be used for before any decision is made on whether to use body cameras.
“This gotcha discipline that we have with the dash board cameras is what we’d be afraid of,” Roorda said.

^That's all you need to know really. But more

In 2001, two undercover drug officers from Dellwood shot and killed two men on the parking lot of a Jack in the Box in north St. Louis County. The officers said the suspects, who had prior felony convictions for drug and assault offenses, tried to escape arrest and then drove toward the officers.
A subsequent federal investigation showed that the men were unarmed and that their car had not moved forward when the officers fired 21 shots and killed the suspects, Earl Murray and Ronald Beasley. The probe, however, also concluded that because the officers feared for their safety, the shootings were justified.

During his tenure, there have been at least a dozen fatal shootings by police in his jurisdiction (the roughly 90 municipalities in the county other than St. Louis itself), and probably many more than that, but McCulloch’s office has not prosecuted a single police shooting in all those years. At least four times he presented evidence to a grand jury but — wouldn’t you know it? — didn’t get an indictment.

A 2000 case in which a grand jury declined to indict two police officers who had shot two unarmed black men 21 times while they sat in their car behind a Jack in the Box fast-food restaurant. It was a botched drug arrest, and one of the two men killed hadn’t even been a suspect. McCulloch at the time said he agreed with the grand jury’s decision, dismissing complaints of the handling of the case by saying the dead men “were bums.” He refused to release surveillance tapes of the shooting. When those tapes were later released as part of a federal probe, it was discovered that, contrary to what police alleged, the car had not moved before the police began shooting.

and then a comment on one of the articles (Milbank was the author of the article)

Milbank is again on a far-left limb of a tree that is rapidly falling apart because, now, nobody believes ANYTHING that the "Progressives" say!! 

There was something about Obama after that in the comment too. It had two people "like" the comment.

State Representative Jeff Roorda-D Barnhart introduced a bill in the Missouri Legislature to keep the name of police officers who shoot someone in the line of duty a secret.
Roorda said he introduced the bill in 2009 out of safety concerns for police officers.

[...]

The bill never became law. The Police Officer’s Association eventually reached a compromise with the St. Louis Police Department. The department agreed to not release the name of the officer if it felt the officer could face a threat. After the compromise, Roorda decided not to pursue the legislation.

so it became law when it's up to the St Louis Police Department?

I hate so many people in this country. It makes me feel ill.

 

[Paskil]

I don't really know what to say to this. It's just a complete failure of justice. Multiple times. This is just slimy and the worst. I'm ashamed to share the title of public servant with these people. They do a grave disservice to the public trust.

The things that come out of Roorda's mouth. Like how can you not feel ill when you make statements like his? The cronyism is just so blatant and disgusting.

 

[Sol_Goodguy]

Wow, the corruption is practically limitless... fact really is stranger than fiction. I was hoping for a conviction, but there is no way that will happen now, not unless there are drastic changes. How do you even address this problem with it being so widespread?

I'm guessing that there will be some pretty fierce riots when Wilson walks free. Hopefully this gets picked up by the big news stations; this story really needs all the exposure it can get.

Thank you for putting all of this together, DreamDrop. It must have taken quite a while.

 

[EdibleKnife]

7 hells, I'm so damn angry. It's insane that the Ferguson story got so much play media wise but this aspect of how corrupt legal system there is is only now getting divined and it might mean nothing to some people in the face of the Brown smear campaign. The citizens mean absolute shit to the people in charge over there and it doesn't even seem like it'll change. The cops are the good guys and everyone else is scum that should be walked over and people will have to grow up (or try to) in that environment. Jesus Christ.

 

[Big Baybee]

It only got play with the media because the cops started fucking with them.

 

[bodyboarder]

Corruption and politics really does go hand in hand.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

As a Bucs fan, I thought it was this Shaun King. Same spelling and everything.

Shaun King was a god in Madden.

 

[hwalker84]

Incredible information. So much corruption.

 

[Trojan X]

DISGUSTING!!!

Since the law is messed up, what is left? Public justice? I don't want people to resort to that but the way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised if someone will take the effort to take Wilson and other corrupt people of power out. ... but this is real life, not a movie. *sigh...

There must be something that can be done, an overthrown, something?!

 

[vikki]

What is to come of all of these allegations by Shaun King? If all of these men are in cahoots, what will be done about it?

 

[Paskil]

What is to come of all of these allegations by Shaun King? If all of these men are in cahoots, what will be done about it?

Hopefully the DOJ Civil Rights or Criminal Division would either specifically prosecute based on the failure of local law enforcement, or they could declare that the city/county/region is out of compliance with Title VI of the Civil Rights Act and require corrective action.

 

[Rembrandt]

Terrible and not surprising. I wonder how big of a buzz this is all gonna get. Surprised no big investigative reporter has decided to cover this.

 

[HiResDes]

This is making me feel sick to my stomach.

 

[djplaeskool]

I think the worst part about all this, is that there is potential for all of this to play out exactly as we fear it might, and we'd be collectively near powerless to prevent it, and unable to affect any change in trajectory.

He's right about pushing the proceedings out giving people time to organize. If somethings going to happen, it's going to require a massive groundswell of public action.

 

[ersocaster]

It's almost like drowning to know that this kind of corruption goes on, and not knowing how to solve it.

I know it gets hectic when people complain about police specifically, so I won't. But the system needs changed. They should not be able to kill anyone and it be justified because "he was afraid". I'm afraid for my safety almost every day of my life (I'm very paranoid), that doesn't give me the right to go around shooting everyone. Why do officers have more rights than a normal person just because they wear a badge?

 

[wildfire]

All 3 of them are DEMOCRATS.

Shameful.

Thanks for sharing this. It is well sourced.

 

[kaioshade]

I admire the work and attention King has brought to the table, but people are outright delusional if they think anyone is going to answer for this. Some national outrage will occur, things will get shuffled around, some talks and conferences here and there, and its back to business as usual.

 

[captive]

All 3 of them are DEMOCRATS.

Shameful.

Thanks for sharing this. It is well sourced.

Is this to mean democrats can't be racist, prejudiced, and or corrupt?

 

[wildfire]

Is this to mean democrats can't be racist, prejudiced, and or corrupt?

Do you think people wouldn't be aggravated about who they are aligned with?

 

[TommyT]

Is this to mean democrats can't be racist, prejudiced, and or corrupt?

If they were republicans, the thread title would mostly likely say: Shaun King lays out all the GOP corruption in Ferguson

 

[Sketchbag]

What is to come of all of these allegations by Shaun King? If all of these men are in cahoots, what will be done about it?

At this point is just allegations. Won't go any further as (1) they can cover their tracks or (2) it's really just conspiracy non-sense. Knowing someone isn't a crime. Supporting someone isn't a crime. Stopping progressive legislation isn't a crime.

 

[wildfire]

If they were republicans, the thread title would mostly likely say: Shaun King lays out all the GOP corruption in Ferguson

A fair point. I'm hoping my party doesn't let this slide as some pessimists think will happen in spite of the scrutiny by the Feds.

 

[Bad_Boy]

Terrible stuff. I hope the people of ferguson get ahold of this information.

 

[spindashing]

This is real life, folks...

 

[Malyse]

I think the worst part about all this, is that there is potential for all of this to play out exactly as we fear it might, and we'd be collectively near powerless to prevent it, and unable to affect any change in trajectory.

He's right about pushing the proceedings out giving people time to organize. If somethings going to happen, it's going to require a massive groundswell of public action.

Potential. Ha ha. 😢

If they were republicans, the thread title would mostly likely say: Shaun King lays out all the GOP corruption in Ferguson

No it fucking wouldn't. Stop that shit.

 

[E-DuB]

That's some top-tier investigative work. However, seeing all of this information pains me, in the same way that others have mentioned thus far, that such a circumstance and response can happen.

 

[BajiBoxer]

Is this to mean democrats can't be racist, prejudiced, and or corrupt?

I think you know exactly what it means and are intentionally trying to distract from the issue at hand. There's a big difference between can't and shouldn't. Clearly Democrats can be racist/corrupt, etc. but sticking up for minorities is supposed to be a central feature of the liberal wing of politics which the Democrats are usually associated with in the U.S. Conservatives don't complain about "bleeding heat liberals" for no reason. It's why Democrats will mostly find this sort of corruption particularly shameful. On top of the monstrous crime committed, it further harms a party which we hope would take the lead on these issues. It's not entirely unexpected, as many Democratic politicians are still old out of touch white dudes who care more about money and power, but it is saddening when neither party will take real action since we have a two party dominated system. Most know modern Republicans sure as hell aren't going to support social progress, so when Democrats don't it really leaves a fucked up situation.