depths20XX
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Who is this Shaun King guy anyways?
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Shaun King lays out all the corruption in Ferguson.
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No.
You didn't understand what I said. He was consistently wrong during the Ferguson protests. He's using facts and circumstance here to draw an nonfactual conclusion.
And it's not a personal opinion, it's questioning his style of reporting which draws conclusions. To not ask why we should trust him here when he draws another one is silly.
What is the nonfactual conclusion that he is drawing here?
Edit: Nevermind, besada is saying to ignore your nonsense.
Great piece made into a great song on a great album. Fuck da Grammy's
apocalidiot
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It's not about whether or not the governor is "the top dog behind all this shit", etc. It's about how there is not going to be a fair trial for this shooting because of motherfuckers like Bob McCulloch. And the continued actions of Jef Roorda which encourage police brutality to be swept under the rug. And yeah, the governor is aware of this and supports Roorda as well. This isn't a fucking conspiracy it's just giving us the past, and letting us understand the implications on this future trial
Lactose_Intolerant
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Why do you have to say this? The mod just said the opinion is known and been discussed. Nothing new is coming from it now after so many posts and to move on.
Because what he was posting was nonsense... I thought was pretty clear.
Sho_Nuff82
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Just caught up with most of the links posted on the first page. This is depressing. The youtube video especially, with Roorda giving his play by play of the events as you can see the officer clearly blasting the suspect with an unprovoked forearm, and then saying that he disagrees with cameras because they lead to "gotcha" disciplinary actions. The WaPo article on McCulloch destroyed any hope I had of there being an actual indictment.
With people like Roorda and McCulloch being in charge of 'justice', victims of police violence will never see anything of the sort. What's sad, is that after the court decision frees* the officer, there will be people everywhere saying "well, they tried it in a court of law, you have to respect the decision!"
If you rig the police force, if you rig the prosecution, and you rig the jury, why do I have to respect those decisions? Don't throw a kangaroo court in my face and tell me that it's blind justice. The entire system down there is set up so that police officers never go to jail for harming civilians.
*frees implies that there was ever any disciplinary action taken in the first place. But this police department won't even give that much to its people.
With people like Roorda and McCulloch being in charge of 'justice', victims of police violence will never see anything of the sort. What's sad, is that after the court decision frees* the officer, there will be people everywhere saying "well, they tried it in a court of law, you have to respect the decision!"
If you rig the police force, if you rig the prosecution, and you rig the jury, why do I have to respect those decisions? Don't throw a kangaroo court in my face and tell me that it's blind justice. The entire system down there is set up so that police officers never go to jail for harming civilians.
*frees implies that there was ever any disciplinary action taken in the first place. But this police department won't even give that much to its people.
Ken Masters
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Media seems to have moved on, pretty much what I expected
PalaceBrother
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I was outside of Ferguson this week and was surprised to learn how strongly the white community supports the police force there.
There was quite a bit of discussion about how much of a thug the deceased was and that this is a witch hunt against the police officer who was defending himself.
I had not heard that opinion elsewhere when reading about the case.
There was quite a bit of discussion about how much of a thug the deceased was and that this is a witch hunt against the police officer who was defending himself.
I had not heard that opinion elsewhere when reading about the case.
Democrat/Republican it doesn't matter. Whenever it comes to the majority being in a position of power over minorities, they should always be scrutinized. Racism is America's lifeblood.
I dunno why people expected fair legal proceedings. There will never be a solution to these things, black life is cheap as fuck. That's always been the American way.
I dunno why people expected fair legal proceedings. There will never be a solution to these things, black life is cheap as fuck. That's always been the American way.
BronsonLee
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They can't really report a lot right now. Once the grand jury stuff is over, then it's going to come back up again.
Fake Edit: Why did DreamDrop get got?
Chie Satonaka
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Er, wow.
Not sure what happened in here while I slept, but I thought this was relevant:
https://storify.com/VeryWhiteGuy/shaunking-exposes-ferguson-pd-lie-about-distance-f
This is in regard to the story that the police told about the distance in which Mike Brown was shot.
Not sure what happened in here while I slept, but I thought this was relevant:
https://storify.com/VeryWhiteGuy/shaunking-exposes-ferguson-pd-lie-about-distance-f
This is in regard to the story that the police told about the distance in which Mike Brown was shot.
There's a lot of interesting info. I'm not sure that I follow all the dots though. The governor appearing at Roorda's event isn't really the evidence that it is made out to be. Seems like monumentally bad judgment at the very least, though. I don't see any reason given for the governor to risk his career to keep the officer out of jail.
The issue with the prosecutor is especially tricky. He's had a long career and there seems to be some cherry picking going on by all sides. It would have been wise to bring in a special prosecutor (assuming it's allowed) just to avoid these questions, but it's too late now. There will be hell to pay if the grand jury doesn't indict. The feds will have to step in at that point.
The issue with the prosecutor is especially tricky. He's had a long career and there seems to be some cherry picking going on by all sides. It would have been wise to bring in a special prosecutor (assuming it's allowed) just to avoid these questions, but it's too late now. There will be hell to pay if the grand jury doesn't indict. The feds will have to step in at that point.
Random Painted HIghway
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Personally I think ascribing too much to Nixon is a mistake, he is more incompetence than intentional I believe, I have not liked him for well before his gubernatorial ascendancy. The prosecutor should have been removed but I believe that is up to the prosecutor and not the governor, I could be wrong on that point. I do not personally have confidence in the local prosecutor and believe this should have been tossed to a special prosecutor, who is usually going to be a former U.S. attorney that dosent have the close ties to local law enforcement. I think the blue cone of silence is in heavy effect here and needs to be broken, perhaps only by the Feds after their investigation is complete.
The point about the grand jury being held through early January as evidence of something nefarious is really indicative of the potential for rank amateurism of journalism via social media. Cop shootings take a notoriously long time to move through grand juries as is, then you factor that this was a gj term that I believe was up in September extended to October then to January.i haven't read anything about the gj's schedule, but from My experience in a different jurisdiction, they are not working on this more than one or two days a week, further they would only hear evidence with 9 if not all 12 present meaning that any sick issues or previously scheduled vacations cause a delay. You are talking a group,of twelve folks who agreed to serve through September then asked to put their lives on hold for what, two more days a week until he case is resolved? That is a lot to ask of citizens, particularly if they aren't all retirees. To use the gj being held over to potentially January as an example of anything out of the ordinary for complex cases that hit at the end of the gj term is irresponsible. Further, they can make a decision before then, this is just the length of time they can meet, better to get the order for the whole time rather than ask for an extension every month.
The point about the grand jury being held through early January as evidence of something nefarious is really indicative of the potential for rank amateurism of journalism via social media. Cop shootings take a notoriously long time to move through grand juries as is, then you factor that this was a gj term that I believe was up in September extended to October then to January.i haven't read anything about the gj's schedule, but from My experience in a different jurisdiction, they are not working on this more than one or two days a week, further they would only hear evidence with 9 if not all 12 present meaning that any sick issues or previously scheduled vacations cause a delay. You are talking a group,of twelve folks who agreed to serve through September then asked to put their lives on hold for what, two more days a week until he case is resolved? That is a lot to ask of citizens, particularly if they aren't all retirees. To use the gj being held over to potentially January as an example of anything out of the ordinary for complex cases that hit at the end of the gj term is irresponsible. Further, they can make a decision before then, this is just the length of time they can meet, better to get the order for the whole time rather than ask for an extension every month.
I don't care. The system is going to give Wilson more consideration than the system gives people like Mike Brown. Brown was judged as unfit to live right on the spot. These jurors aren't going to put their lives on hold to serve justice. They're going to put their lives on hold to make sure the world knows Mike Brown's life wasn't worth anything.
mckmas8808
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This makes me want to throw up. Hopefully the FEDs can find something and open this case up the way it should be.
MWS Natural
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The Lies and cover up started from DAY 1.
Fuck the people and those who still defend them & the racist ass criminal justice system in America.
At this point we just have to hope that the justice department's investigation is thorough and that they will press charges once the DA/gran jury decide not to. It's important to remember that the DOJ's investigation is one for civil rights violations by the entire Ferguson police department. So they will be looking at all of this stuff and more.
PalaceBrother
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I'm not kidding when I say 100% of the 20-30 people I met outside of Ferguson this week completely thought the media was making everything up.
A black guy walked by mid-discussion, and the topic changed quickly.
the dreaded walking stance aye?
PalaceBrother
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I may be missing something in your verbiage, but the racists I was with shut right the hell up when a potentially dissenting opinion entered the fray.
I won't exaggerate, the entire experience was gross....
Ultra Magnus
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I don't know if this has been discussed but the Attorney General resigned
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/work-remains-eric-holder-resigns-attorney-general-n211416
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/work-remains-eric-holder-resigns-attorney-general-n211416
I mentioned it in the ferguson main thread.
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