Shaun King responds to race questioning

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Disgusting that he should even have to put his mothers business out there like that. But then racists have no shame and would have continued smearing him. This whole affair has also exposed a lot of people's true feelings though. Quite a few so called 'liberals' as well.

I hope the gaffers who were salivating in the other thread at BLM getting 'owned' come in to have some crow. Something tells me they'll avoid this thread.
 
Dabanton said:
Disgusting that he should even have to put his mothers business out there like that. But then racists have no shame and would have continued smearing him. This whole affair has also exposed a lot of people's true feelings though. Quite a few so called 'liberals' as well.

I hope the gaffers who were salivating in the other thread at BLM getting 'owned' come in to have some crow. Something tells me they'll avoid this thread.
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THe always want to hear all the facts and both sides, until the facts and both sides come out
 
Dabanton said:
Disgusting that he should even have to put his mothers business out there like that. But then racists have no shame and would have continued smearing him. This whole affair has also exposed a lot of people's true feelings though. Quite a few so called 'liberals' as well.

I hope the gaffers who were salivating in the other thread at BLM getting 'owned' come in to have some crow. Something tells me they'll avoid this thread.
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Obviously GAF has a lot of racists (Diet and Regular) still, but I was most surprised by how many media outlets (even places like fucking Vox) ran this story. Journalistic integrity really doesn't exist if the media thinks Breitbart, Glenn Beck sources are worth reporting on.
 
What an absolutely dreadful thing to be put through. My heart goes out to him.
 
Toxi said:
Incredible and disgusting that it had to come to King admitting his heritage. I hope that the people that provoked this piece are ashamed.
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A white supremacist and the gamergate jackass from Breitbart. There will be zero shame.
 
Kettch said:
You don't really get a choice in what to identify yourself as. King explains it pretty well himself in the letter. He was told he was black, he was treated as black, so he was black. Doesn't matter how light-skinned he was, it wasn't a "choice" to pick black or white, because people weren't going to change how they saw him.
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I get it, and it's sad because looks like society automatically imposes it, implicity , that he can't "benefit" for being white since he has a black background, even if small. (one drop role stuff)
 
Mr. X said:
Race in America = if you're not 100% white, you're non-white
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Lol true

Gattsu25 said:
My parents left me woefully unprepared for how society views mixed people.

I grew up with a white dad and a black mom thinking that they were equal parts to my makeup.

I no longer see things that way: I'm black. Always was, always will be.

That other side of me doesn't exist.
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That's no good. You are loved by your white brethren :) But I understand this point of view given the truth of the post I quoted above. Why can't we all just get along.
 
izunadono said:
Well, there is no one advocating or even noticing "my shit". It's not even a thing. So I know I am projecting but unfortunately I look to the sort of person who should be able to have a voice for people like me that don't have pride in being mixed. Because you can be mixed with something that suddenly makes your appearance too something or too something else.
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The unfortunate reality is that unless one has the barest of African features, they are categorized as black. For example, Barack Obama, our fair president, is the offspring of a black Kenyan man and a multi-generation white American woman. Naturally he should be viewed as that. However, given our society, there is a reason he is referred to as "the first black president" a reason racists view him as a "nigger sympathizer" a reason why he likely identifies as "African-American" on official paperwork. Rather than "the first white president of Kenyan descent" or "champion of the white man" or he doesn't check off white on surveys.

It's because of the reality of your racial experience. If you are treated as a particular race, then you are in a sense that race. It is a social construct after all and be more fluid in a few certain areas, as bunny noted in Southern California.
Now this is not good naturally. I feel we as a country should more accurately portray genetic and racial diversity. But I also won't attack a man who was beaten near expiration because a group of racist thugs saw him as the enemy because he was black.
 
backslashbunny said:
It's actually really odd to me to as an American in southern Californian. At least here, if you're mixed, you aren't white OR Asian, you're both. You are a happa, and no one I know is ashamed or embarrassed by it.

Not sure if it's just different for other minorities, but in my mind there is a distinction between being mixed and not. It's not a matter of "purity," it's just a description. I'm actually truly surprised so many people that are mixed actually consider themselves to be one or the other.
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I personally don't pick sides, but it's very understandable why many other mixed people do. Other people will constantly decide for themselves that you're X race and it's very easy to internalize that shit.
 
On a side note, the Shaun King wikipedia page was heavily cleaned up with some very cross words for the people who made it.

Utterly terrible biography

This article is a classic example of why we should never write "biographies" of people that are WP:COATRACKs for 12 hours' worth of news-cycle attack stories fueled by a nakedly-partisan witch hunt, before the subject of the biography has a reasonable chance to respond to claims made about deeply-personal parts of their life. I have stripped out baseless claims, apparently-groundless information and awful sources, and I suggest that we can do better and treat our article subjects better than we have here.

NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 23:34, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Shaun_King_(activist)
 
Kettch said:
You don't really get a choice in what to identify yourself as. King explains it pretty well himself in the letter. He was told he was black, he was treated as black, so he was black. Doesn't matter how light-skinned he was, it wasn't a "choice" to pick black or white, because people weren't going to change how they saw him.
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This is simply not true. He chose to identify as black either because of the pressure to do so or because he wanted to. Either way he chose to identify as black. Other people don't get to define him. Pay attention to the part where he mentions that the white police officer checked off his race as white on the police report. Did he up and decided to identify as white because a white person identified him as white? Nope. Choosing black was the most convenient choice for him.

When people choose to identify as only one race it always reeks of disrespectful to your other ancestry to me. He most likely not even half black but probably around 25% black or slightly more considering that his father was a light skin man (mixed race) and his mother is white. The fact that people were calling him black simple tells me this is more of a regional thing because here in NYC he would not be viewed as black.
 
Incredibly unfortunate it had to come to exposing his mother's past to people who have no right to it. I would be heartbroken if I had to do the same. I think we got a few new sites to ban now.
 
Guevara said:
Race in America is so weird. After all that I still don't know if most people will consider him adequately "black" or not.
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It really isn't that weird at all.

From 1600s to like pretty much mid to today in some form. The rule that was created by the ruling class was if you had even a drop of black in you, you were considered black and as such were deemed inferior. This was called the one drop rule.

Blacks embraced and gained solidarity from it, and as of late (honestly from like the 2000s onward) people are suddenly confused and think this idea is backwards that race can be painted as such. Many of them criticizing blacks for claiming anyone who's mixed as black and not "mixed". But if you ask most of these mixed people what they identify with many of them will say black because unfortunately while the legal use of "one drop rule" has been eradicated, vast majority of America still see a mixed person as nothing but black. White America don't claim these mixed people unless they can "pass" visually. And the ones who can pass visually have it the worst because they're torn between two cultural identities.

The reason why the majority hoot and holler over it now and have this newfound "they're also white!" attitude is the changing demographics in America.

With all that said, fuck both Breitand or whatever that shit site is, the author of the article and every single person who believed that shit knowing full damn well that site is racist and slanderous as fuck but you peddled that shit under the guise of "just wanting to have an open discussion". Seriously fuck everything about you. Fuck your bubble, your colorbind world, everything.
 
dbztrk said:
This is simply not true. He chose to identify as black either because of the pressure to do so or because he wanted to. Either way he chose to identify as black. Other people don't get to define him. Pay attention to the part where he mentions that the white police officer checked off his race as white on the police report. Did he up and decided to identify as white because a white person identified him as white? Nope. Choosing black was the most convenient choice for him.

When people choose to identify as only one race it always reeks of disrespectful to your other ancestry to me. He most likely not even half black but probably around 25% black or slightly more considering that his father was a light skin man (mixed race) and his mother is white. The fact that people were calling him black simple tells me this is more of a regional thing because here in NYC he would not be viewed as black.
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Stop. Please.
 
dbztrk said:
When people choose to identify as only one race it always reeks of disrespectful to your other ancestry to me. He most likely not even half black but probably around 25% black or slightly more considering that his father was a light skin man (mixed race) and his mother is white. The fact that people were calling him black simple tells me this is more of a regional thing because here in NYC he would not be viewed as black.
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Good grief.
 
dbztrk said:
This is simply not true. He chose to identify as black either because of the pressure to do so or because he wanted to. Either way he chose to identify as black. Other people don't get to define him. Pay attention to the part where he mentions that the white police officer checked off his race as white on the police report. Did he up decided to identify as white because a white person identified him as white? Nope. Choosing black was the most convenient choice for him.

When people choose to identify as only one race it always reeks of disrespectful to your other ancestry to me. He most likely not even half black but probably around 25% black or slightly more considering that his father was a light skin man (mixed race) and his mother is white. The fact that people were calling him black simple tells me this is more of a regional thing because here in NYC he would not be viewed as black.
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What the hell are you talking about? He's grown up all his life as one thing, and not changing it the moment ONE PERSON misidentifies him as white means he definitely chose his racial identity? This is terrible reasoning.

Disrespectful of your ancestry!? Lol. This is hilariously dumb.
 
dbztrk said:
This is simply not true. He chose to identify as black either because of the pressure to do so or because he wanted to. Either way he chose to identify as black. Other people don't get to define him. Pay attention to the part where he mentions that the white police officer checked off his race as white on the police report. Did he up and decided to identify as white because a white person identified him as white? Nope. Choosing black was the most convenient choice for him.

When people choose to identify as only one race it always reeks of disrespectful to your other ancestry to me. He most likely not even half black but probably around 25% black or slightly more considering that his father was a light skin man (mixed race) and his mother is white. The fact that people were calling him black simple tells me this is more of a regional thing because here in NYC he would not be viewed as black.
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As someone whose biracial, I can say with 100% certainty that you're delusional.
 
I can't be the only one who during this entire thing was pulling their hair out screaming: WHO CARES!?!?!

As in, who cares what color they are!!!! UGH.
 
dbztrk said:
This is simply not true. He chose to identify as black either because of the pressure to do so or because he wanted to. Either way he chose to identify as black. Other people don't get to define him. Pay attention to the part where he mentions that the white police officer checked off his race as white on the police report. Did he up and decided to identify as white because a white person identified him as white? Nope. Choosing black was the most convenient choice for him.

When people choose to identify as only one race it always reeks of disrespectful to your other ancestry to me. He most likely not even half black but probably around 25% black or slightly more considering that his father was a light skin man (mixed race) and his mother is white. The fact that people were calling him black simple tells me this is more of a regional thing because here in NYC he would not be viewed as black.
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This has to be a throwaway account, cause you can't be this fucking dense.
 
dbztrk said:
This is simply not true. He chose to identify as black either because of the pressure to do so or because he wanted to. Either way he chose to identify as black. Other people don't get to define him. Pay attention to the part where he mentions that the white police officer checked off his race as white on the police report. Did he up and decided to identify as white because a white person identified him as white? Nope. Choosing black was the most convenient choice for him.

When people choose to identify as only one race it always reeks of disrespectful to your other ancestry to me. He most likely not even half black but probably around 25% black or slightly more considering that his father was a light skin man (mixed race) and his mother is white. The fact that people were calling him black simple tells me this is more of a regional thing because here in NYC he would not be viewed as black.
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Please Google "one drop rule", do some research, write a paper, and come back. Thanks!
 
dbztrk said:
This is simply not true. He chose to identify as black either because of the pressure to do so or because he wanted to. Either way he chose to identify as black. Other people don't get to define him. Pay attention to the part where he mentions that the white police officer checked off his race as white on the police report. Did he up and decided to identify as white because a white person identified him as white? Nope. Choosing black was the most convenient choice for him.

When people choose to identify as only one race it always reeks of disrespectful to your other ancestry to me. He most likely not even half black but probably around 25% black or slightly more considering that his father was a light skin man (mixed race) and his mother is white. The fact that people were calling him black simple tells me this is more of a regional thing because here in NYC he would not be viewed as black.
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If this is disrespectful you can place the blame squarely on the 300 years of slavery and one drop rule that stated if you mingled with blacks, you were not part of the white race.

You can't enforce something like that for 300 fucking years then get upset when people gain solidarity from it. Educate yourself because you are presenting yourself like a damn fool full stop.
 
After Dolezal, these scumbags thought they had another easy target. After reading his response, I'd be surprised if they don't quietly drop it. He shut them down hard, and they run the risk of it backfiring on them. This is powerful stuff, and they're shining a flashlight on it.
 
NintendoGal said:
I can't be the only one who during this entire thing was pulling their hair out screaming: WHO CARES!?!?!

As in, who cares what color they are!!!! UGH.
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Because it was a naked attempt by teapers to try and somehow discredit Black Lives Matter by trying to find a Rachel Dolezal on "the other side".

Some white people feeling uncomfy as fuck and trying (and failing) to bury the actual issue BLM is attempting to get addressed by attempting to paint BLM activists as liars.

Sadly it worked for them with ACORN so they keep trying to do it.
 
dbztrk said:
Is his Mom not white?
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One cop didn't see him as black.
Every other person in his life; friends, family, enemies and strangers saw and treated him as black for better or for worse.

He didn't get to pick shit. Life told him he was black and he got all the perks that came with it. That "convenience" bullshit can go with the people thinking sexuality is a free choice.
 
dbztrk said:
This is simply not true. He chose to identify as black either because of the pressure to do so or because he wanted to. Either way he chose to identify as black. Other people don't get to define him. Pay attention to the part where he mentions that the white police officer checked off his race as white on the police report. Did he up and decided to identify as white because a white person identified him as white? Nope. Choosing black was the most convenient choice for him.
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What exactly do you mean by convenient choice?
 
I'm glad this can now finally be over; being biracial myself I felt annoyed that peoples here just quickly assumed he was a hundred percent white just because of his skin tone.
 
Anton Sugar said:
Please Google "one drop rule", do some research, write a paper, and come back. Thanks!
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I'm well aware of the one-drop rule. However, the year is 2015 (come and join the rest of us in it) and people can and do identify with multiple ancestries. Also if you didn't notice but census forms allow people to check off multiple boxes and they can even have a section for "other".
 
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