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Shaun King responds to race questioning

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dbztrk

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Well damn, my #381504 ass is going to start claiming my great-great-great-great grandfather's English blood.

Claim away! If you take a DNA test it will be there. That's the difference between what is real vs this socially constructed nonsense that has the world looking at America like it's a damn Insane Asylum.

Only in America would we be arguing over the blackness of a man that doesn't even look black.
 

LionPride

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Claim away! If you take a DNA test it will be there. That's the difference between what is real vs this socially constructed nonsense that has the world looking at America like it's a damn Insane Asylum.

Only in America would we be arguing over the blackness of a man that doesn't even look black.

Why are you still here? You have argued against black people about our blackness in a topic about another man's mixed race. You're opinions have been refuted yet you remain. Begone wannabe, begone
 
Stop playing the victim! Others don't get to define you. Pay attention to the changing census of people identifying as they choose and not because some ignorant fools are some how magically making them identify as black.

I think the real issue is that some black people are afraid of loosing the identify that has been crafted for them for the past 400 years and that is the crux of the issue for some of you.

Don't be a fool while I agree I feel biracial peoples should be able to identify the way they want that doesn't mean society will go along with it like can you imagine Obama running as a white President of course not it's still largely based on image

I Identify as Biracial but I feel I could still identify as white even if I'm a quarter Native American as most people I think assume my hair is dyed black and don't really pay attention to eye shape or facial structure so I have not suffer very pure directed racism. But I come from a very small town and my family doesn't talk to anyone and in the real world who knows how people will respond to me but many people are far less lucky than I feel I am.
 

dbztrk

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Take pride in your heritage, as King is. Why would he try to embrace some ambiguous label as "mixed"? Something that in itself is used as a pejorative in places. I'm black/cajun/creole, and constantly get asked which of my parents are white. But at the same time, I'm still an outsider to whites, especially with my first name being an old family name from slavery days. I celebrate what my life has been, the black experience. If you can "pass" for whatever you're mixed with, why not?

And take heart that King is not tossing off the mantle of being mixed. He recognizes that, but as you can see in what he wrote about this, and what others from his past have said, carrying that mantle was dangerous for more than just him.



Please tell this to society, which doesn't allow this to happen. Or are you not paying attention to race relations at the moment?

Oh I am. I and others do as well. I live in NYC where people apparently have the ability to express themselves very differently than most of the country. Most people that I have encountered have no problems identify with their other ancestry and no one bats an eyelash or makes them conform. The term mixed race isn't some sacrilegious term that's met with 'No you're black! One drop rule! One drop rule!!!!'
 
Claim away! If you take a DNA test it will be there. That's the difference between what is real vs this socially constructed nonsense that has the world looking at America like it's a damn Insane Asylum.

Only in America would we be arguing over the blackness of a man that doesn't even look black.

No, only in America would we be arguing with human trash who decide they get to be the arbiter of blackness when they aren't even fucking black.

King is biracial. There's nothing else to discuss, and calling your posts here ignorant would be paying you a compliment.

As if I couldn't be disgusted enough about the situation, but there's always fucking one.
 

atr0cious

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Claim away! If you take a DNA test it will be there. That's the difference between what is real vs this socially constructed nonsense that has the world looking at America like it's a damn Insane Asylum.

Only in America would we be arguing over the blackness of a man that doesn't even look black.
Oh I am and I and others do. I live in NYC where people apparently have the ability to express themselves very differently than most of the country. Most people that I have encountered have no problems identify with their other ancestry and no one bats an eyelash or makes them conform. The term mixed race isn't some sacrilegious term that's met with 'No you're black! One drop rule! One drop rule!!!!'

You've got to be joking. You really have no clue what you're talking about now.

Please stop? Please? Blacks don't have family trees other than the one they were all buried under hundreds of years ago. For you to continue on posting in sheer ignorance like this is baffling and insulting.
 

D i Z

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Not all people saw him as black. See the cop that did the police report. He made a choice based on his life circumstances. I'm pretty sure that had his mother been upfront about his background he probably would have had a different outlook on how he identified.


How so? He's still biracial in America. More importantly, half black...in America. What about this situation is so elusive to you that you need to fabricate another racial identity and narrative for a life you've never known?
 

KHarvey16

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Yes, but I think it's disingenuous to imply that he has no agency in how he chooses to represent himself outside of his upbringing. Him being identified as black does not automatically mean that he has to identify himself as such.

I don't understand the objection at all. He said he never really sat down and made the choice and explained how it was that he never made the choice. Remember this is in response to people accusing him of being white and choosing to identify as black. Whether or not he could make a decision to change his mind and assert a new racial identity really is entirely irrelevant. His personal story, the actual story under attack by some in the media, is that that identity wasn't a conscious decision on his part.
 
Latinos aren't see as white. They're viewed on the same levels as blacks...which is fucking why they too were stopped and frisked.

Stop talking, it's embarrassing.

Not to mention that there are Latinos of African descent. See: Zoe Saldana.

Anyways, I said in the original thread that there was a chance that King's mother didn't put the biological father on the birth certificate. I was right.

Speaking as the mother of a mixed child and as someone who knows mixed children and mixed friends, it would be super nice if there was a space for them to identify as mixed, and that space exists and it is growing. But this is still a country founded on slavery and racism and that one drop rule hangs over all our heads like the Sword of Damocles. If Shaun King, or any mixed child, wants to identify as black, then so be it. It's not like they won't have to deal with racism anyways, as Shaun King's experience has shown.

Also, re: NYC...tell that "they wouldn't call him black" shit to Dante DeBlasio.
 

Mimosa97

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I wouldn't say always because there are people in the minority communities(Asian, Black, etc) that try to pull the purity card too which annoys me to no end. But largely minorities are more accepting of mixed race people claiming that side's identity.

Yeah I thought about that after typing it ...

It's very sad when you thing about it.
 
Not to mention that there are Latinos of African descent. See: Zoe Saldana.

Anyways, I said in the original thread that there was a chance that King's mother didn't put the biological father on the birth certificate. I was right.

Speaking as the mother of a mixed child and as someone who knows mixed children and mixed friends, it would be super nice if there was a space for them to identify as mixed, and that space exists and it is growing. But this is still a country founded on slavery and racism and that one drop rule hangs over all our heads like the Sword of Damocles. If Shaun King, or any mixed child, wants to identify as black, then so be it. It's not like they won't have to deal with racism anyways, as Shaun King's experience has shown.

Also, re: NYC...tell that "they wouldn't call him black" shit to Dante DeBlasio.

No, no, see, because Dante doesn't "look" like a white man, so it's okay!

SMFH.
 
Cant believe I live in a world where a man has to dox his own senior citizen mother for having an affair with a black guy, just because a blogger want to make up shit about the dudes race.
What a world we're living in, truly we're being sucked into to the abyss with the power these little blog shits have.
This Milo idiot is loving the attention too, all his articles are now just a about this story with some just being boasts about other vendors running his garbage.
 
Not to mention that there are Latinos of African descent. See: Zoe Saldana.

Anyways, I said in the original thread that there was a chance that King's mother didn't put the biological father on the birth certificate. I was right.

Speaking as the mother of a mixed child and as someone who knows mixed children and mixed friends, it would be super nice if there was a space for them to identify as mixed, and that space exists and it is growing. But this is still a country founded on slavery and racism and that one drop rule hangs over all our heads like the Sword of Damocles. If Shaun King, or any mixed child, wants to identify as black, then so be it. It's not like they won't have to deal with racism anyways, as Shaun King's experience has shown.

Also, re: NYC...tell that "they wouldn't call him black" shit to Dante DeBlasio.

Yup to all of this, especially the bold, I fall under the bold.
 

dbztrk

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You've got to be joking. You really have no clue what you're talking about now.

Please stop? Please? Blacks don't have family trees other than the one they were all buried under hundreds of years ago. For you to continue on posting in sheer ignorance like this is baffling and insulting.

This was in regards to socially constructed view on what is "black".
 

marrec

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All this because someone was giving black people a voice that white people couldn't control.

So they tried to control the very ethnic heritage of one of their leaders by declaring him white.

And a whole bunch of people ate that shit up like they were starving fat kids.

America shouldn't be so hungry for overt racism.
 
This is simply not true. He chose to identify as black either because of the pressure to do so or because he wanted to. Either way he chose to identify as black. Other people don't get to define him. Pay attention to the part where he mentions that the white police officer checked off his race as white on the police report. Did he up and decided to identify as white because a white person identified him as white? Nope. Choosing black was the most convenient choice for him.

When people choose to identify as only one race it always reeks of disrespectful to your other ancestry to me. He most likely not even half black but probably around 25% black or slightly more considering that his father was a light skin man (mixed race) and his mother is white. The fact that people were calling him black simple tells me this is more of a regional thing because here in NYC he would not be viewed as black.

breh out here with that dollar general burner phone gaf account
 

dbztrk

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Not to mention that there are Latinos of African descent. See: Zoe Saldana.

Anyways, I said in the original thread that there was a chance that King's mother didn't put the biological father on the birth certificate. I was right.

Speaking as the mother of a mixed child and as someone who knows mixed children and mixed friends, it would be super nice if there was a space for them to identify as mixed, and that space exists and it is growing. But this is still a country founded on slavery and racism and that one drop rule hangs over all our heads like the Sword of Damocles. If Shaun King, or any mixed child, wants to identify as black, then so be it. It's not like they won't have to deal with racism anyways, as Shaun King's experience has shown.

Also, re: NYC...tell that "they wouldn't call him black" shit to Dante DeBlasio.

Of course their are Latino's of African descent but they are viewed as black. Obviously this was in regards to the many more latinos that do not look black. Dante DeBlasio is not one of them. He looks far more black than Shaun King.
 
This was in regards to socially constructed view on what is "black".

You mean the one society reinforces every single day? Or is this in your utopia version of America where we're post racial and shit?

Of course their are Latino's of African descent but they are viewed as black. Obviously this was in regards to the many more latinos that do not look black. Dante DeBlasio is not one of them. He looks far more black than Shaun King.

Oh man this is hilarious as hell to read after reading your other posts. LMAO!
 

D i Z

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All this because someone was giving black people a voice that white people couldn't control.

So they tried to control the very ethnic heritage of one of their leaders by declaring him white.

And a whole bunch of people ate that shit up like they were starving fat kids.

America shouldn't be so hungry for overt racism.

Bottom.fucking.line.
 

Dabanton

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Wtf....how can anyone respond like this to a piece this moving?

Think of the groups these sacks of shit collude and plot with and their lack of empathy will become clear. These guys with probably all the privilege in the world. Get annoyed that ethnic people are sick and tired at how they are treated by the police and the structures that support them. And want to push for change.

They despise groups like BLM with every fibre of their being. No matter how this story goes they'll see this as a 'victory'.
 
The people who started saying this are already not taking his response at face value, and have instilled doubt from what I've seen around the net. Whether or not those people actually care or are just making noise, I feel this will escalate into wanting Shaun to get a dna test or something. People are going to start claiming he is a liar and want more proof, if they haven't already done that.
 
The people who started saying this are already not taking his response at face value, and have instilled doubt from what I've seen around the net. Whether or not those people actually care or are just making noise, I feel this will escalate into wanting Shaun to get a dna test or something. People are going to start claiming he is a liar and want more proof, if they haven't already done that.

Long-form DNA test.
 

JDSN

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The people who started saying this are already not taking his response at face value, and have instilled doubt from what I've seen around the net. Whether or not those people actually care or are just making noise, I feel this will escalate into wanting Shaun to get a dna test or something. People are going to start claiming he is a liar and want more proof, if they haven't already done that.

Its kinda gross how people become birthers exclusively when a minority reaches a certain position of importance.
 

collige

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I don't understand the objection at all. He said he never really sat down and made the choice and explained how it was that he never made the choice. Remember this is in response to people accusing him of being white and choosing to identify as black. Whether or not he could make a decision to change his mind and assert a new racial identity really is entirely irrelevant. His personal story, the actual story under attack by some in the media, is that that identity wasn't a conscious decision on his part.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not disagreeing with anything he said or validating the attacks on him, I'm just trying to emphasize that whether the accusations are true or not don't depend on anything empirical. MIlos is obviously wrong, but the reasons WHY he's wrong can't be strictly proven. Hell, that's why he's still considering himself vindicated on Twitter.
 
The people who started saying this are already not taking his response at face value, and have instilled doubt from what I've seen around the net. Whether or not those people actually care or are just making noise, I feel this will escalate into wanting Shaun to get a dna test or something. People are going to start claiming he is a liar and want more proof, if they haven't already done that.

He didn't have to say this much.

As I said in the other thread, I was torn because on the one hand, he doesn't owe anybody anything, but on the other, sometimes it's good to try to quell something before it starts.

Seeing the responses from the that shit guzzling Milo and the troglodytes that are now kissing his ring, I'm even more upset. I wish he wouldn't have said anything.
 

dbztrk

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You mean the one society reinforces every single day? Or is this in your utopia version of America where we're post racial and shit?



Oh man this is hilarious as hell to read after reading your other posts. LMAO!

That's the thing. Society is very much regional which plays into the subjectivity of race. I've never seen Dante not identify as mix race or only identify as black despite the fact that he has obviously black ancestry and obviously white ancestry as well.
 
That's the thing. Society is very much regional which plays into the subjectivity of race. I've never seen Dante not identify as mix race or only identify as black despite the fact that he has obviously black ancestry and obviously white ancestry as well.

Oh yea I forgot in your version of America, New York is post racial and shit.
 

KHarvey16

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not disagreeing with anything he said or validating the attacks on him, I'm just trying to emphasize that whether the accusations are true or not don't depend on anything empirical. MIlos is obviously wrong, but the reasons WHY he's wrong can't be strictly proven. Hell, that's why he's still considering himself vindicated on Twitter.

Of course it can be empirical. The story in the letter is almost entirely reliant on his treatment by other people, and that can be verified.
 

marrec

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Oh yea I forgot in your version of America, New York is post racial and shit.

It's cool, the version of America I grew up in; Eastern New Mexico, is totally post racial. They kicked all the black people out and declared racism dead to all the white kids left behind.
 
That's the thing. Society is very much regional which plays into the subjectivity of race. I've never seen Dante not identify as mix race or only identify as black despite the fact that he has obviously black ancestry and obviously white ancestry as well.

Yes Dante can Identify as mixed race but that doesn't mean he is suddenly going to treated like a white male he will still be treated as black in many areas.
 

Daingurse

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You mean the one society reinforces every single day? Or is this in your utopia version of America where we're post racial and shit?

Race is a complete social construct, so of course society pretty much dictates everything about race. Which is pretty much why I'm black despite being ethinically a mutt. I could identify as Native American, or Puerto Rican if I wanted to I guess, but at the end of the day I look black, and am viewed as black. Obama is half-white white and no one gives a shit. It's fucked up but the 1 drop rule is so pervasive in our society that's it's hard for me to see mixed people as mixed. People from a mixed background have every right to choose what they identify with, but society at large seems to peg you regardless. I've been around so many people of so many different shades in my family, who at the end of the day all consider themselves black. Not by personal choice, but because that's what society has reinforced for so long.
 

Infinite

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It's cool, the version of America I grew up in; Eastern New Mexico, is totally post racial. They kicked all the black people out and declared racism dead to all the white kids left behind.
Sounds like the New York I grew up in.

It's not post-racial. However, the diversity of it allows people a better understanding of race and less of a need to put people in simplified boxes.

New York is segregated as fuck, dude
 

collige

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Of course it can be empirical. The story in the letter is almost entirely reliant on his treatment by other people, and that can be verified.

It can verified, but in order for that to prove that he didn't misrepresent himself requires you to believe that a. he has an "actual" race that he can lie about and b. to believe that his "actual" race is determined by whether people treat him as black or not. Those are some pretty big assumptions and this uncertainty is while shitheads like Milos can still say "see? I wasn't wrong".
 
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