Shin Godzilla - Trailer 2 (New Japanese Godzilla Movie)

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MMarston said:
Yeah, it's a regular occurrence with some people for sure (see James Horner).


It's just that that particular cue is so embedded within Evangelion for me that I just can't help being slightly amused.
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Anno and Higuchi used music cues from Nadia and His and Her Circumstances in the Rebuild films.
 
Ugh, waiting for this to come to the States is going to brutal. Going to be hard to not dive into spoilers, I want to see this so bad lol.
 
I saw it.

Baby Godzilla looks really bizarre and creepy. Apparently this Godzilla was born by eating nuclear waste dumped in the ocean. Also, "God-zilla" is canon now.
All of the Godzilla scene are really good. Too bad the human scenes are mostly like a movie-length version of the council of Elrond. I can't imagine anyone who disliked Godzilla 2014 won't hate this movie; I wanted Godzilla to win just because he wasn't boring. It feels like Anno had a good idea for a 40-minute film but was contractually obligated to make it 2 hours.

If you want to know how Godzilla dies, someone decides to look up his character bio and finds out his least-favorite ice cream flavor. Then they fill up dozens of fire trucks with nitrogen sherbet and spray it into his mouth until he gets brainfreeze to death. The movie ends with him being a creepy giant frozen statue in the middle of Tokyo.
 
"He looks like a fucking statue."
 
Valkerionseven said:
I din't, even my Japanese friends did not like it lol. Well I thought it was ok, but I would be lying if I said I did not zone out in parts lol.
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I can't blame you. I really enjoyed it but I can see where folks could start zoning out. It's very much about the response of the government and the interactions they have as an entity as much as it's about Godzilla itself. Seeing that sluggish response to start then them transitioning to doing whatever they could was interesting.

General thoughts

This movie is definitely in-line more with the original and 2014 in that the humans really take center stage. The government is the star in this case and boy are they talky. It really sort of reflects them post-Tohoku Earthquake. though it mixes in a few other things. If you're not interested in government interaction, I'd definitely say this is not a movie for you. Godzilla is in this film about as much as he is in 2014 or maybe a little more but he's not on screen all the time. That said, the scenes with him are absolutely amazing despite some spotty CG in a lot of places. What happens when he's on screen is amazing though and carry a lot of weight because of how it plays out.

Edit: The movie actually reminds me of Eva which is fairly obvious considering Anno. They even use some tracks from it, or at least tracks that I associate with Eva, lol
 
Darksol said:
It was fun. Felt like a cheesy monster movie from the 80s.
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Dunno if "cheesy" would be the word for Shin, tonally it's probably the furthest departure from the showa and heisei era stuff outside of maybe Return or '54, which Anno takes the political tug of war and government hand wringing cues to an even further extreme here (it is Anno afterall) painfully so in some spots.

The tohoku earthquake allegories are also heavy handed and grimly executed, especially within' the first act. Definitely one of the heaviest Godzilla's films ever made, maybe you could say something for the Gareth Edwards flick, but I wasn't much of a fan of that.
 
Just came back from the cinema. I don't know if I like it, currently tending towards meh/nope.

At the beginning I enjoyed the political stuff a lot. It was basically a government satire and I think the dry humor was intentional.
Creepy mudskipper Godzilla
was a neat surprise.
But as it went on the political stuff wasn't funny anymore and turned into some sort of wake up call for Japan. Adding a lot of nationalism and glorifying the military. As someone not from Japan that felt like I'm not supposed to watch the movie as it isn't intended for anyone outside from Japan. Oh and the ominous (and/or condescending) foreign forces that Japan has to bow to... I don't know, is that really how Japan sees the world? I enjoyed them squeezing in a German scene though haha)
The few short scenes with Godzilla were cool, I enjoyed the
back lasers slicing through buildings and the general messed up look of him, splitting jaw etc.
However, the CGI was distractingly bad...
I did not like how the movie ended though, that felt lame (or like a very cool Bob the builder episode). Didn't make sense either why
blood coagulants would freeze him to liquid nitrogen levels. They also say that this is just temporary and they have to coexist with Godzilla while the US says it will nuke it the moment it starts moving again so WTF did the ending resolve at all?!

For my taste / view of Godzilla, the 2014 Godzilla depiction shits all over this
"EVA" (if people didn't bring it up I wouldn't even make that connection btw)
one, even if the movie itself isn't that hot either (and a completely different thematic of course). It's true though that from all the Godzilla movies this one resembles the 1954 movie the most, but the 1954 one is better and easier to watch.


They heavily teased a sequel, do you think that one will go into the hinted stuff like:
The professor who vanished into thin air... he's somehow inside Godzilla isn't he? To revenge his dead wife he created Godzilla with his novel elements stuff.
They mentioned he might even evolve to grow wings, is that REALLY Godzilla or a Ghidorah thing that the real Godzilla has to kill?).
WTF is up with the tip of its tail??? That ending scene also.
 
The movie doesn't really glorify the military. They're super ineffectual for most of the film and only the US military really proved to be somewhat of a real threat. There's a lot of military porn in there what with all the hardware being shown off but it's definitely not playing them up at all.

Second half is a bit of a wake-up call for sure though. Whether we interpret the message the same as Japanese viewers is kinda up in the air.

CG is bad but the imagery they used made it enjoyable pretty awesome to look at in spite of it. The Godzilla scenes they had after the initial one were pretty great.

On ending and climax:
Lots of tech-tech talk went on so I didn't catch all of it but Godzilla's biological make-up was unique and that special coagulant would slow down his nuclear fission to make him freeze but not enough to kill him, I guess. That would be in-line with his depiction in other Godzilla films where they used freezing tactics.

The end scene seemed to imply that there was an element of the GMK Godzilla being that it was the embodiment of the souls of people that died hence why there were human-like figures in the tail but I could be wrong on that front. That's how I saw the tail though, humans inside of it and shit, lol.
 
Shouta said:
The movie doesn't really glorify the military. They're super ineffectual for most of the film and only the US military really proved to be somewhat of a real threat. There's a lot of military porn in there what with all the hardware being shown off but it's definitely not playing them up at all.
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From that point of view it's true that you can basically make the opposite claim haha. I had more some of the dialogue in mind like JSDF being the only hope for Japan and some of the motivational speeches.

On ending and climax:
Lots of tech-tech talk went on so I didn't catch all of it but Godzilla's biological make-up was unique and that special coagulant would slow down his nuclear fission to make him freeze but not enough to kill him, I guess. That would be in-line with his depiction in other Godzilla films where they used freezing tactics.

The end scene seemed to imply that there was an element of the GMK Godzilla being that it was the embodiment of the souls of people that died hence why there were human-like figures in the tail but I could be wrong on that front. That's how I saw the tail though, humans inside of it and shit, lol.
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I'm could not consciously make out human figures in the tail, but I had a similar impression when they showed it in the last scene. That souls aspect is of course an interesting angle haha

Oh and I just remembered another scene:
Some parts of his skin that came off (from the bombing?) were shown and they speculate that this is how Godzilla will take over the word, by basically spreading offspring that grow from that tissue. That didn't go anywhere either. Or maybe I just got that wrong from the subtitles.
On that note, what was the point of mentioning that Godzilla's radiation is basically harmless as it has such a short half life yet he isn't really dead, so...
 
Watched it yesterday, really liked it. It feels like a take on the disaster movie genre rather than the standard 'Kaiju' film, and makes for a good bit of political commentary. Viewed from that perspective, I found the talky bits rather fascinating rather than boring as others seem to think. Some of the scenes were direct recreations of footage from 3/11 and were rather eerie as a result.

Godzilla itself was a combination of puppetry and CG, and I could not tell which was which for the most part (barring some obvious scenes which I won't spoil). Toho was at the top of their game, and having watched Kubo and the Two Strings last week, my faith in the industry is well placed. The showcase scene was killer - Godzilla destroyed Tokyo with style.

The final bit - the throwaway line where it was mentioned that the countdown to the nuke launch was merely suspended and that missiles still permanently pointed at Godzilla (and Tokyo by extension) - I took as a veiled reference to the Korean War, for which an armistice was signed and therefore is technically still ongoing.

Oh and the pseudoscience is horrible, but I can overlook that. The plan that took Godzilla down was equally ridiculous, in the so bad it's good sort of way.
 
Foolworm said:
Oh and the pseudoscience is horrible, but I can overlook that. The plan that took Godzilla down was equally ridiculous, in the so bad it's good sort of way.
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The movie had sucked me in so much at that point that I didn't question it at all. Then someone giggled supremely loudly at that one point - you know which one - and only then did it dawn on me how silly the whole resolution was. I sort of see that as a positive, when the movie could get me so engaged that I overlook the bits of silliness (of which there were quite a few).

To the point, I really enjoyed this movie. Anno did a pretty grand job in capturing the zeitgeist of post-earthquake Japan, whilst provoking thought about some long-standing questions about Japan's society. Not enough ado can be made of the highlight scene in the middle part, which is both haunting and incredible to behold.
 
Sounds a lot like the 54 and 84 Godzilla films in terms of focus on government. The majority of those movies were spent on the response to a threat such as Godzilla and how that affected Japan on the international stage(using advanced weaponry to stop him, asking for foreign aid, etc.). If this film is more or less the same as that then I'm down to watch it, so long as it's compelling.
 
TheGreatDirector said:
Sounds a lot like the 54 and 84 Godzilla films in terms of focus on government. The majority of those movies were spent on the response to a threat such as Godzilla and how that affected Japan on the international stage(using advanced weaponry to stop him, asking for foreign aid, etc.). If this film is more or less the same as that then I'm down to watch it, so long as it's compelling.
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Yeah, it's very reminiscent of 54 and 84 in that respect. Even 2014 was made along those lines too. Sorta interesting all the government/disaster godzillas end in 4, lol.
 
Kalentan said:
Is there no sound effects in the movie? Or is it just the music playing over it? Cause while the atomic breathe is powerful... The lack of sound effects really make it lose the punch.
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It's music from the show that's airing the clip. The actual sound effects are great.
 
Shouta said:
It's music from the show that's airing the clip. The actual sound effects are great.
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Ah. So two things that may have already been addressed in this thread:

1. I liked 2014 Godzilla, will I like this? I'm someone who didn't mind the generic human characters.

2. Is it better than 2014 Godzilla or is it different enough that maybe not a direct comparison?
 
Kalentan said:
Ah. So two things that may have already been addressed in this thread:

1. I liked 2014 Godzilla, will I like this? I'm someone who didn't mind the generic human characters.

2. Is it better than 2014 Godzilla or is it different enough that maybe not a direct comparison?
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This has a lot more focus on the actual government response rather than the discovery and disaster elements that the 2014 Godzilla has. If we were to be more minute about the comparison. 2014 is closer to 54 more than anything while this would be far closer to 1984 in scope and feel.
 
Shouta said:
That scene was amazing in the theater.
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Easily the highlight of the film.
The other one was the train bombs, but not in a good way - people were laughing in my theatre.

Kalentan said:
Ah. So two things that may have already been addressed in this thread:

1. I liked 2014 Godzilla, will I like this? I'm someone who didn't mind the generic human characters.

2. Is it better than 2014 Godzilla or is it different enough that maybe not a direct comparison?
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The 2014 film is very much disaster porn - this film operates on a more tactical level, rather than relying on visceral impact.

I mentioned a lot of shot-for-shot recreations of 3/11 footage, but I also (unsurprisingly) felt a very strong NGE vibe from the film - from the character archetypes to the weirdly mystical tone the film adopts towards Godzilla to the synchronized artillery barrages and tank pirouettes (in lieu of the Itano circus, I propose the Anno ballet), and of course there's the soundtrack. I half expected the Rei expy to bathe herself in Godzilla sludge and wheel out some super duper SDF prototype cannon. Instead, we got
concrete trucks and DIY wart remover Godzilla. That is NOT how a nuclear scram occurs.
 
Shouta said:
This has a lot more focus on the actual government response rather than the discovery and disaster elements that the 2014 Godzilla has. If we were to be more minute about the comparison. 2014 is closer to 54 more than anything while this would be far closer to 1984 in scope and feel.
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That sounds fantastic to me lol.
 
Knowing this is Anno movie with politics involved and one of the characters is supposedly American. I'm curious how anti American is this?
 
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