Extra Sauce
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Why does Bergevin hate sick children?
Shocking Trade: NHL Superstar PK Subban has been Traded to the Nashville Predators
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If we go back a few years and ignore their ages, sure.
Weber's not a bad return in this trade, right now. It might be, in three years.
CreeperBlocks
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You know I was listening to Tony Marinao on TSN690 today and, he seems to have some insider info that PK would come late to practices,meetings.
He made an off handed comment when players were talking about other defenceman in the league and when Drew Doughty's name came up PK Supposedly said "Oh he's probably going to win the Norris because look at who is he paired with or something at that extent. His teammates probably didn't like that.
There's a lot of moving pieces with this story and some stuff we might never find out.
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That may be true, but they didn't need to ship him away for a shitty return. They could have gotten more from another team, or at least gotten a first rounder and a prospect or something to that extent.
Weber is declining, and he's got a huge contract that the Habs are going to have to eat and the fans may grow to hate. Just because they wanted to trade Subban away for seemingly personal reasons.
It just makes me glad to be a Leaf fan, to be honest. And I don't say that often. Well, not up until recently at least.
"The poutine vendor who parks daily at Peel and Saint Antoine streets just lost his most reliable customer."
LyleLanley
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This sounds like the kind of bullshit teams will leak to the media once they trade a guy.
VincentMatts
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Not only that, bergevin himself said in his conference that hes never had any problems with subban in terms of being late, practices, etc.
Lots of BS. And Tony Marinaro.....come on. Hes entertaining but i wouldnt take any of his "sources" seriously.
Yup they do it all the time. I remember when the Philly Eagles released DeSean Jackson all this stuff came out saying hes gang affiliated all this silly stuff. As soon as he signed with the redskins going on 3 years there he hasnt been in any trouble and he never has been in any trouble.
Its shitty they pull this crap to try and make it seem like a reasonable decision. Silly to think the timing was all based on a guys work ethic etc.
Buggy Loop
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This is canadien's best move in oh so long.
The team has been a leaderless husk of a team since Koivu and even he was not an inspiring captain like some others in the league.
Shea Weber won the Mark Messier trophy, this is worth a lot more than just pure hockey stats that forget who is on the other end of the stick, it tells there's a personality that works with the coaches and the hockey players, something that we all know Subban was not helping one bit.
Weber at Sochi was #2 in stats and a pillar in the defense for Carey Price, dont forget that experience they have together.
So
- Maybe a bit less pure raw potential as a defenseman, but still one of the best in the league currently;
- Captain of the year;
- More maturity;
- All around respected in the league and a natural leader, players listen to him in the chamber.
Remove Pacioretty's captain status ASAP and put Weber there, that team has (if Price is healthy) to get close to the cup with a good leader.
The team has been a leaderless husk of a team since Koivu and even he was not an inspiring captain like some others in the league.
Shea Weber won the Mark Messier trophy, this is worth a lot more than just pure hockey stats that forget who is on the other end of the stick, it tells there's a personality that works with the coaches and the hockey players, something that we all know Subban was not helping one bit.
Weber at Sochi was #2 in stats and a pillar in the defense for Carey Price, dont forget that experience they have together.
So
- Maybe a bit less pure raw potential as a defenseman, but still one of the best in the league currently;
- Captain of the year;
- More maturity;
- All around respected in the league and a natural leader, players listen to him in the chamber.
Remove Pacioretty's captain status ASAP and put Weber there, that team has (if Price is healthy) to get close to the cup with a good leader.
Tony is one of the closest guys to the Habs organization and is good friends with PK, he has no agenda to slander him.
FUBAR McDangles
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To be completely honest, who else is Subban worth in a 1 for 1 straight up for a defender?
Aside from Karlsson, which would obviously never happen, I can't think of anybody that would actually be fair
Aside from Karlsson, which would obviously never happen, I can't think of anybody that would actually be fair
MegaManTrigger
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And yet, he says some of the dumbest things such as: implying that Subban made the donation because of potential to get captaincy. Says that he missed meetings, when the team suggested otherwise, amongst other things.
I don't even buy that he's close to the Canadiens, especially when some of the Montreal fans that I know of, and on HFBoards say that he's less credible than some of the other much better writers/journalists. Seems pretty obvious that this was a smear campaign to get people to eat up that they didn't get fleeced, even though Bergevin accelerated Montreal's window, without dealing with the more pressing issues of his team.
You're trying to discredit a man by what some people say on Hfboards? Lmao I can't tell if you're serious or not.
If you actually listened to what he said he said multiple times it wasn't a smear campaign and that he thinks it's a bad trade, he is just giving info so people understand why Bergevin gave away one of the best defensemen that has ever played for this team. He's not justifying it, just enlightening the behind the scenes of such an awful move.MegaManTrigger said:
MegaManTrigger
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You do realize I also criticized what he said, AND mentioned that I know of Montreal fans IRL who say that he's a sensationalist who shills for the Habs?
All of that info with no legitimate sources (for all we know, he could just be making shit up and then label it as "multiple sources"), and can be easily poked if you cross-reference to what other teammates say. And that's not even mentioning some of the other stuff that comes off as pure guesswork ("which can be interpreted as..."). He's basically sticking shit on the wall to see if people buy it. Maybe it's a narrative worth contemplating, but is in no way, shape or form, reliable.
I like the message this sends to the Preds locker room. Even the team captain is expendable. Weber choked and had one of the worst games a professional hockey player could have in the biggest game of his life - game 7 against San Jose with a chance to lead his team to their first conference finals. That's probably what started the wheels turning on a trade inside Poile's head.
Mister Negative
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You know what started the wheels turning on a trade in Poile's head? "Holy shit, bergevin's a moron, and I can fleece him."
He did the same thing with Jones for Johansen. It's not about sending a message, it's about getting value. Look at the Preds defensive core. Look at the deal they just signed Forsberg to. Poile might win GM of the year next year.
MegaManTrigger
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Not to mention Poile bought himself 3 extra years in the window, in addition to having a pretty young group.
CreeperBlocks
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Brent Burns? But I don't think San Jose would ever do it
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Let's face it, people are wasting their time when trying to compare stats and such; PK is statistically the better player out of the two, and statistics aren't just about the two respective players but historical trends relating to other players, trends. If you can get either of those two players without knowing their personalities, PK is the one to get.
But the fact is Bergevin came to the conclusion that it was better to try and find an equivalent, or possibly slightly worst but then spin the deal as a better one than it is, than to keep PK due to his supposed "attitude problem". That is what it was all about: getting rid of PK to hopefully have better cohesion in the team, even if it meant getting a worst deal on paper.
I don't think it's going to work, because a player like PK is a star player and I don't know any star player that is so dysfunctional that you'd be better off without them unless they were a goon. It's usually a team or coach problem.
They should have gotten rid of Therrien, but Bergevin is too close to him, and that was a mistake Molson made when he hired Bergevin; the coach should not have been a friend. They should have tried to get a younger coach like Boucher, who would be a lot more likely to be able to have a better relationship with the younger players, and see how it went next season.
But the fact is Bergevin came to the conclusion that it was better to try and find an equivalent, or possibly slightly worst but then spin the deal as a better one than it is, than to keep PK due to his supposed "attitude problem". That is what it was all about: getting rid of PK to hopefully have better cohesion in the team, even if it meant getting a worst deal on paper.
I don't think it's going to work, because a player like PK is a star player and I don't know any star player that is so dysfunctional that you'd be better off without them unless they were a goon. It's usually a team or coach problem.
They should have gotten rid of Therrien, but Bergevin is too close to him, and that was a mistake Molson made when he hired Bergevin; the coach should not have been a friend. They should have tried to get a younger coach like Boucher, who would be a lot more likely to be able to have a better relationship with the younger players, and see how it went next season.
MegaManTrigger
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The closest comparison I could think of was Richards and Carter back in 2011, but it did appear as if the media blew that issue out of proportion.
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