This is a much larger problem on RAW. It's not watchable to me at all at this point because it is so incredibly plagued with that shit.
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SHOOTEMBER Wrasslin' 2016 |OT2| Sometimes You Just Need to Shoot for a Double
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HazySaiyan
Banned
This. A lot of the WWE roster sound like aliens trying to blend in by imitating human speech.
Damn, did you hear Sasha ROAST Charlotte? PRINCE CHARLES LMAO XD but then Charlotte fired back with da Sasha WANKS holy shit that's not PG!!!!!
funkystudent
Member
I kinda feel like if Corgan wants to do a wrestling company at this stage he might be better off ditching TNA and just doing his own indie shows now and again. Have fun and probably make a small profit off small investment. A fun side thing to do now and again.
Unless being on TV is THAT important. But I just dont see TNA ever making money.
Unless being on TV is THAT important. But I just dont see TNA ever making money.
newdayrocks
Member
Sasha Wanks is a pretty great burn, and a pretty accurate description of her recent performance.
Sick burns have minimal effect when the feuds are absolute garbage.
Buying TNA and using it's assets to create something new would be a better bet.
slightconfuse
Banned
Not when TNA is million of dollars in debt and has no sources of revenue other that selling the company.
newdayrocks
Member
Compare that to Smackdown last night, where all six women have ongoing feuds, and each segment featuring them had so much going on.
The debt is something any buyer would have to consider in the purchase price.
You buy the company, rename it and start it off with a clean slate of debt and then use the assets in a smart way to create a new wrestling company for TV. If you have the capital, there are existing assets and contracts there that can be put to use and made into a decent wrestling company.
British Monsoon
Member
Best case scenario: WWE buys TNA for the tape library, takes whatever talent they want and then Corgan (or whoever) creates a new promotion with the guys left behind and tries to pick up where TNA left off.
Bluekaveli
Member
A song to describe tna, zero.
slightconfuse
Banned
Plus you have to deal with apathy. Outside of the hardys stuff no one gives a,shit about TNA. Every wrestling promotion has passed them by
That's why in any scenario, if it is bought by Corgan, WWE or a third party, it needs to be renamed and start from zero if you're buying it to keep it as a promotion.
TNA has to be done unless Dixie can pull of a hail mary and keep it alive past Bound For Glory.
TarpitCarnivore
Member
It's over scripting, forced buzzwords and breaking kayfabe too often. Sasha is SO bad at this and it really brings down her character.
Yep exactly.
I'd have Miz beat Ziggler, keep the IC belt, and take it with him to the main event scene.
CHAMPION VS CHAMPION
Yes please.
TarpitCarnivore
Member
Listening to Lapsed Fan Fox Edition and wow this really feels like history repeating itself. I didn't watch much of this era but a lot of things are being brought up that feel similar:
- Brand split
- Smackdown beating RAW
- Ratings of 3.1 being considered terrible
- Authority/Haitch
- Bringing belts into the brand split for the sake of pushing wrestlers
- Brand split
- Smackdown beating RAW
- Ratings of 3.1 being considered terrible
- Authority/Haitch
- Bringing belts into the brand split for the sake of pushing wrestlers
slightconfuse
Banned
This is mike mizan,talking to Allen Jones
BronsonLee
Member
I heard y'all were up to some sketchy shit up in here
Praising The Miz?
Luschient
Member
I see what you did there.
Luschient
Member
Smackdown is undeniably much better than Raw since the brand split and not just in a 'smarky' push the people we want to push kind of way. In fact, it's the the opposite. The people the internet wanted pushed are all on Raw, many of them getting pushes, and it isn't working because it feels exactly like Raw like before the brand split. It's hard to pin down the exact things that are causing this, at least for me, but it's definitely there. The people we had all given up on, or never even really thought about, are producing the most entertaining stuff I've seen since I came back to wrestling. It doesn't feel the way it was, at all.
The only segment I skipped this week was the 8 man tag and that isn't because I'm not interested in the feuds and characters going on there, it's just because it's a patented 'doesn't matter, fill time' kind of match. That's fine. The tag division is looking much stronger than it did even a month ago and there will be intrigue to come there, it was just on the backburner this week.
Miz/Ziggler, Cena/Style/Ambrose, Lynch/Bliss and even Orton/Bray are all hot feuds doing interesting and new things every week. This week Lynch/Bliss also took a backseat on the main show - but Becky delivered a very good promo on Talking Smack and I'm sure we'll get to this again next week.
Miz has become possibly the most interesting part of the show, after years of being nothing but a boring nuisance. John Cena delivered a fantastic speech on Talking Smack that makes it very plausible that he would be the legitimate and over face in a feud against a heel Dean Ambrose - it is leaning on reality heavily and working it into a hot feud. I can see a very good Cena/Ambrose singles feud in the near future. It is a shame Cena is going to depart for a few months after the PPV because a full heel turn by Ambrose in the triple threat leading to a hardcore style grudge match against Cena at TLC is where this really should go.
AJ Styles is positioned correctly as the champ although he does need a proper singles feud soon with somebody else. I'm not sure who that could be but I suppose Orton is the best candidate after he is through with Wyatt.
Getting to Wyatt - he is by far the most boring part of SD on an average week, and even this week when he was actually talking he was boring as ever, but the horror movie skits were a lot of fun and gave this feud some new life that it absolutely doesn't deserve to have at this point.
The closest thing to an afterthought on the show is Nikki/Carmella, and even this is moderately interesting because of the situations of these two characters. With any luck, they'll have a good match at No Mercy and it will elevate Carmella.
Smackdown has taken a roster of rejects, has beens and never would bes and made almost every one of them entertaining. It shouldn't be as good as it is, but it is.
If there is one thing, and it isn't a criticism, that I'm disappointed in with Smackdown is that it doesn't have more people on the roster. At this point, I think they could even make Jack Swagger interesting given a little bit of time. Right now nthough, you've got a situation where almost nothing is being wasted. Sure, a few guys like Apollo Crews could potentially have a lot of upside, but he's got time.
And the most important thing is - when Smackdown ends, I'm thinking about what is going to happen next. When Raw ends, I'm thinking about what else I could have been doing.
The only segment I skipped this week was the 8 man tag and that isn't because I'm not interested in the feuds and characters going on there, it's just because it's a patented 'doesn't matter, fill time' kind of match. That's fine. The tag division is looking much stronger than it did even a month ago and there will be intrigue to come there, it was just on the backburner this week.
Miz/Ziggler, Cena/Style/Ambrose, Lynch/Bliss and even Orton/Bray are all hot feuds doing interesting and new things every week. This week Lynch/Bliss also took a backseat on the main show - but Becky delivered a very good promo on Talking Smack and I'm sure we'll get to this again next week.
Miz has become possibly the most interesting part of the show, after years of being nothing but a boring nuisance. John Cena delivered a fantastic speech on Talking Smack that makes it very plausible that he would be the legitimate and over face in a feud against a heel Dean Ambrose - it is leaning on reality heavily and working it into a hot feud. I can see a very good Cena/Ambrose singles feud in the near future. It is a shame Cena is going to depart for a few months after the PPV because a full heel turn by Ambrose in the triple threat leading to a hardcore style grudge match against Cena at TLC is where this really should go.
AJ Styles is positioned correctly as the champ although he does need a proper singles feud soon with somebody else. I'm not sure who that could be but I suppose Orton is the best candidate after he is through with Wyatt.
Getting to Wyatt - he is by far the most boring part of SD on an average week, and even this week when he was actually talking he was boring as ever, but the horror movie skits were a lot of fun and gave this feud some new life that it absolutely doesn't deserve to have at this point.
The closest thing to an afterthought on the show is Nikki/Carmella, and even this is moderately interesting because of the situations of these two characters. With any luck, they'll have a good match at No Mercy and it will elevate Carmella.
Smackdown has taken a roster of rejects, has beens and never would bes and made almost every one of them entertaining. It shouldn't be as good as it is, but it is.
If there is one thing, and it isn't a criticism, that I'm disappointed in with Smackdown is that it doesn't have more people on the roster. At this point, I think they could even make Jack Swagger interesting given a little bit of time. Right now nthough, you've got a situation where almost nothing is being wasted. Sure, a few guys like Apollo Crews could potentially have a lot of upside, but he's got time.
And the most important thing is - when Smackdown ends, I'm thinking about what is going to happen next. When Raw ends, I'm thinking about what else I could have been doing.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Bray continually being a cartoon character went from being amusing to just annoying really fast.
It's going to look REALLY thin in the top babyface department when you have nothing but Ambrose and Orton and Cena's out of the picture. I don't know where Shinsuke Nakamura fits into their long-term plans but it makes no. fucking. sense. that this guy is performing for 200 people a night while getting paid like he's performing for 10,000.
It's going to look REALLY thin in the top babyface department when you have nothing but Ambrose and Orton and Cena's out of the picture. I don't know where Shinsuke Nakamura fits into their long-term plans but it makes no. fucking. sense. that this guy is performing for 200 people a night while getting paid like he's performing for 10,000.
So the superstar ratings came out for 2K17. LOL.
AJ Styles - 89
Andre The Giant - 80
Alundra Blaze - 87
Arn Anderson - 86
Asuka - 85
Bayley - 86
Becky - 83
Big Cass - 84
Big Show - 83
Bo Dallas - 67
Braun Strowman - 78
Bray Wyatt - 87
Bret Hart - 90
Carmella - 70
Cesaro - 88
Charlotte - 86
Jericho - 87
Jericho 01 - 92
Axel - 68
Daniel Bryan - 89
Dean Ambrose - 90
Edge - 90
Finn Balor - 88
Goldberg - 92
Hunter Hearst Helmsley - 78
Usos - 84
Kane - 79
Kane 98 - 89
Kevin Owens - 86
Lita - 87
Nikki Bella - 84
Randy Orton - 88
Randy Savage - 91
Razor Ramon - 88
Ric Flair - 91
Roman Reigns - 89
Rock - 92
Rock 01 - 91
Sami Zayn - 86
Samoa Joe - 87
Sasha Banks - 86
Seth Rollins - 93
Shawn Michaels - 89
Shinsuke Nakamura - 86
Stone Cold Steve Austin - 95
Sting - 87
Sting 91 - 87
Sting 99 - 90
Stunning Steve - 83
Triple H - 89
Triple H 01 - 93
Trish Stratus - 87
Undertaker - 93
Undertaker 01 - 93
Undertaker 91 - 91
AJ Styles - 89
Andre The Giant - 80
Alundra Blaze - 87
Arn Anderson - 86
Asuka - 85
Bayley - 86
Becky - 83
Big Cass - 84
Big Show - 83
Bo Dallas - 67
Braun Strowman - 78
Bray Wyatt - 87
Bret Hart - 90
Carmella - 70
Cesaro - 88
Charlotte - 86
Jericho - 87
Jericho 01 - 92
Axel - 68
Daniel Bryan - 89
Dean Ambrose - 90
Edge - 90
Finn Balor - 88
Goldberg - 92
Hunter Hearst Helmsley - 78
Usos - 84
Kane - 79
Kane 98 - 89
Kevin Owens - 86
Lita - 87
Nikki Bella - 84
Randy Orton - 88
Randy Savage - 91
Razor Ramon - 88
Ric Flair - 91
Roman Reigns - 89
Rock - 92
Rock 01 - 91
Sami Zayn - 86
Samoa Joe - 87
Sasha Banks - 86
Seth Rollins - 93
Shawn Michaels - 89
Shinsuke Nakamura - 86
Stone Cold Steve Austin - 95
Sting - 87
Sting 91 - 87
Sting 99 - 90
Stunning Steve - 83
Triple H - 89
Triple H 01 - 93
Trish Stratus - 87
Undertaker - 93
Undertaker 01 - 93
Undertaker 91 - 91
The Elite
BOSS
Yup. This really exposes how bad the writing is for Raw. They seem to be actually trying to do something different with Smackdown and it's working.
In comparison to the ratings of everyone else the ones you highlighted don't seem that bad. Nakamura is a 96. AJ Styles should be higher. Reigns seems to be getting fucked considering how unstoppable they make him on TV. WWE TV keeps him at a 95.
These ratings make no sense
I'm mean HHH = Shawn the fuck.
He hasn't made it to the big times Maggle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf8v33Qhar4
There's the rest of the ratings. I just put down some of the important ones.
There's the rest of the ratings. I just put down some of the important ones.
sf2fanatic
Member
E: nvm, he's only 93.
89 is a really good rating for a C+ wrestler
89 is a really good rating for a C+ wrestler
Dean Ambrose has been catching it from all sides these last couple of months. Shit on by Austin and Cena, fans starting to turn on him, and even got dudes on Raw taking (albeit in jest) pot shots at him.
And I can't say it's entirely undeserved. Dean's matches haven't been the best of late, and you really get a sense that he doesn't care. But I do wonder how much of it is resting on his laurels, and how much of it is feeling like the work he does do goes unnoticed. You definitely got that feeling during his promo on Talking Smack last week and in his Steve Austin interview.
Cena was dead wrong when he said Ambrose is still "trying to figure it out." Dean was over as fuck when the Shield broke up. Hell, he was over as fuck just a few months ago. He's still over, though not as much. The difference between Dean and Seth/Reigns is that while they headed off to the main event scene, Dean was hanging out in the mid-card. The other two became the company's pet projects and Dean was just kind of left behind.
And the truth is, all three have failed to an extent. They pushed the button too soon and too hard on Reigns and now it's too late to go back. Rollins lost time due to injury and the booking around him has been atrocious. And with Dean, they did nothing of note with him for so long that when they finally decided to do something, he no longer gave a shit.
The point is I don't think Dean has been entirely wrong in the things he's been saying. Neither were Cena or Austin, but mostly talking about Dean specifically. If you try to apply the "you're not working hard enough" spiel to the whole locker room, it comes across as bullshit because ain't shit happening for these dudes without the machine behind them. And the machine, as we are all aware, ain't exactly running smoothly these days.
And I can't say it's entirely undeserved. Dean's matches haven't been the best of late, and you really get a sense that he doesn't care. But I do wonder how much of it is resting on his laurels, and how much of it is feeling like the work he does do goes unnoticed. You definitely got that feeling during his promo on Talking Smack last week and in his Steve Austin interview.
Cena was dead wrong when he said Ambrose is still "trying to figure it out." Dean was over as fuck when the Shield broke up. Hell, he was over as fuck just a few months ago. He's still over, though not as much. The difference between Dean and Seth/Reigns is that while they headed off to the main event scene, Dean was hanging out in the mid-card. The other two became the company's pet projects and Dean was just kind of left behind.
And the truth is, all three have failed to an extent. They pushed the button too soon and too hard on Reigns and now it's too late to go back. Rollins lost time due to injury and the booking around him has been atrocious. And with Dean, they did nothing of note with him for so long that when they finally decided to do something, he no longer gave a shit.
The point is I don't think Dean has been entirely wrong in the things he's been saying. Neither were Cena or Austin, but mostly talking about Dean specifically. If you try to apply the "you're not working hard enough" spiel to the whole locker room, it comes across as bullshit because ain't shit happening for these dudes without the machine behind them. And the machine, as we are all aware, ain't exactly running smoothly these days.
86 confirmed to be the best rating.
let's hope
Well you know she is
Uno Venova
Banned
There is almost nothing out if line with those ratings. Of course Dean is so high with how strong he's booked. Of course Nak isn't that strong when he hasn't interacted with the main roster yet.
Interesting ratings if you take them to be an indication of the company's opinion of them a few months ago, which they probably are more or less. I'd imagine this is something WWE feeds into heavily to the developers.
A cool way to keep a WWE game feeling fresh throughout the year without spending much money would be to have those ratings be dynamic according to current booking - so, for example, having Owens jump up a bit to 89, having Styles jump up to 90-91, having Bayley go down to 83, Sami go down to 82, etc.
I dunno where Miz was but he's probably jumped up a few points by now, too.
Just keeping it in line with current power rankings.
A cool way to keep a WWE game feeling fresh throughout the year without spending much money would be to have those ratings be dynamic according to current booking - so, for example, having Owens jump up a bit to 89, having Styles jump up to 90-91, having Bayley go down to 83, Sami go down to 82, etc.
I dunno where Miz was but he's probably jumped up a few points by now, too.
Just keeping it in line with current power rankings.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Not like those rankings matter
They all play the same
They all play the same
They do matter, you notice it especially when you're playing MyCareer and start at the low end of the scale and progress your character's ratings to the high end. Every bit matters.