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[Renozokii]

As a Series S owner, I think it was a good business decision by Microsoft to push Game Pass and get next gen features into many hands with a lower price of entry. I DO NOT feel left out when playing games that I didn't buy a Series X. A few years from now, that may change as I may upgrade to one or whatever is out on the market.

I can see Microsoft eventually releasing the Series S in the future with beefier specs akin to Series X and the Series X getting even beefier specs, both as a mid cycle upgrade.

It'll be the series sx and the series x-2 joke of a company

 

[NickFire]

Who the hell are these casuals that don't care at all about power but need the new Xbox as soon as possible? Are they all dying to play the medium, the only next gen only game on Xbox consoles?

Your post suggests to me that you never waited in line at Gamestop, and never witnessed non-enthusiast parents shopping at Xmas time.

 

[Renozokii]

I think most people are gonna answer this from a enthusiast standpoint because let's be honest anybody that frequents gaming forums is generally more involved then the standard person.

I'll preface this by saying that I think 3/4 minimum of people buying an Xbox should just save a little and get a Series X if possible.

I think they made the right decision based on what they wanted from a Series S. They simply wanted to make sure to undercut Sony (and maybe uncut by a ton if they didn't expect a $400 DE) and have a "next-gen" console out at a cheap price because they want people to sub to gamepass.

IMO I think Microsoft know they probably aren't going to beat Sony and a Nintendo in the "war" (barf) especially with how hard they are pushing gamepass and never announcing numbers which is fine. I think the Series S will sell as a secondary console for people that play primarily on PlayStation.

There are multiple use cases for the Series S despite me not seeing the value personally. Personally I would have preferred a $400 digital Series X, but the $300 Series S fits Microsoft's needs.

But why are we arguing from the stand point of what can make MS more money? We've heard from multiple developers that the series s has the potential to hurt game development for even multi platform titles coming to the ps5. A while extra console to develop for with its own level of power while the ps5 and series x are near matched. Third parties will either compromise their games or release dog shit ports for the series s where consumers win in neither case. Microsoft's first party line up will look consistently worse and less ambitious due to needing to meet a certain standard on the series s.

 

[Renozokii]

Your post suggests to me that you never waited in line at Gamestop, and never witnessed non-enthusiast parents shopping at Xmas time.

Umm I assure you I have. Funny in that context the naming convention alone will push more consumers to the ps5.

The Xbox one with its sales can almost be categorized as a niche product compared to the switch and ps4. Are we to believe that all these parents are going to pass up the widely more known and recognized ps5 or switch pro to get their kids a series s, with a name that means almost jack shit?

 

[JackMcGunns]

Believe it or not, but MS already tried this little experiment, so they have experience. Xbox 360 Premium vs the Core package, it was actually a better deal than the PS5 digital because you didn't have to sacrifice anything at all. The Core had the same CPU/GPU and memory/bandwidth as the premium (Just like the PS5 digital) but it also had a disc drive, the only difference was the snap-on HDD and it was packed with a wired controller. THAT's IT! $100 less, but despite this minor gripe, gamers would refuse to get the core package, almost everyone went for the premium until MS phased it out.

A $200 difference made more sense to MS based on this experience and I have a feeling that the disc version of the PS5 will do immensely better. Do we know the numbers?

 

[Andodalf]

Because upscaling tech works optimal when there are actually a lot of pixels

Take DLSS for example, it doesn't work well at 1080p, since it upscales from 720p
It works superb at 4K, upscaling from 1440p
It works mediocre at 1440p, upscaling from 960p

DLSS looks fine at 1080P compared to most other AA techniques at that res.

 

[Riky]

It's designed to be cheaper. It's cheaper. Job well done! \

Electronics aren't dropping in price like they used too. on XSS launch day it was 100$ Cheaper than the newest Sony console..... the PS4 Pro.

This is exactly the point everyone misses. When DF went to see MS they asked why the X1X just didn't become the base console? The answer was the CPU and SSD as well as the fact a die shrink was not easy and wouldn't have the same sort of cost savings as previous generations. It was better to start again and have that cheaper entry point day one as the same is going to apply to this generation.
In the UK it's only £249 basically an impulse buy, when it gets to £199 is will do gangbusters.

 

[Andodalf]

This is exactly the point everyone misses. When DF went to see MS they asked why the X1X just didn't become the base console? The answer was the CPU and SSD as well as the fact a die shrink was not easy and wouldn't have the same sort of cost savings as previous generations. It was better to start again and have that cheaper entry point day one as the same is going to apply to this generation.
In the UK it's only £249 basically an impulse buy, when it gets to £199 is will do gangbusters.

Meanwhile the PS5 DE isn't getting cheaper at the same rate and it's existence makes it harder to drop the price of the Disk version

 

[NullZ3r0]

Why do we have to keep retreading this topic. I'll say it again: The people that can only afford $299 for a console will find that the Series S more than fits their need. The problem right now with Xbox is that we're still waiting on games. The big issue with MS buying all of these companies at once is that they all started new projects at around the same time so everything's 2-3 years behind.

I own a Series S and X and my wife and kid aren't able to tell the difference between what they see on their TV and what I see on mine. They're the target audience for the Series S.

The Series S has a next gen CPU and next gen storage. These two things are the most important for next gen games. Graphics can be more easily scaled across platforms. People need to be more worried about devs still supporting PS4 and Xbox One.

 

[01011001]

It'll be the series sx and the series x-2 joke of a company

a gold member of this forum ladies and gentlemen.
I know it can be confused with a youtube comments section post

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Like I've said before XSeS is a perversion on what next gen console should be.
Deliberately designed to keep next gen thrills and chills to minimum.

Literally. I would be more than happy as a gamer to see an Xbox Series X digital at $400 instead. It'll be extremely hard to find them in stores compared to S right now being relatively easy to grab one.

 

[hououinkyouma00]

I remember how they shut down Mixer after they made investments into Ninja and other streamers. I guess if things don't work out they can just abandon it. I predict Series S will be discontinued in a couple of years, and they will introduce Series X Pro around the same time.

It's possible

But why are we arguing from the stand point of what can make MS more money? We've heard from multiple developers that the series s has the potential to hurt game development for even multi platform titles coming to the ps5. A while extra console to develop for with its own level of power while the ps5 and series x are near matched. Third parties will either compromise their games or release dog shit ports for the series s where consumers win in neither case. Microsoft's first party line up will look consistently worse and less ambitious due to needing to meet a certain standard on the series s.

Because people argue constantly that it's a pointless device which it is not. It has a purpose which is to be a cheap entry point for Gamepass and to give Microsoft insight into future products. They don't care what enthusiasts think of the Series S as it's not meant for them.

 

[NickFire]

Umm I assure you I have. Funny in that context the naming convention alone will push more consumers to the ps5.

The Xbox one with its sales can almost be categorized as a niche product compared to the switch and ps4. Are we to believe that all these parents are going to pass up the widely more known and recognized ps5 or switch pro to get their kids a series s, with a name that means almost jack shit?

I do kind of think that MS was counting on non-enthusiast parents / grandparents going into stores for the new video game system, and walking out with the cheapest option, when Series S was thought up. I could even swear that they kind of alluded to Series S really picking up in popularity after the enthusiast crowd settles into next gen. I even think it was reasonable strategy to the extent of selling hardware, but I'm not at all convinced it would make a tangible difference in terms of market share. I also question if those type of purchases are what MS really wants today, after taking into account the money stacks they've been throwing around for devs / pubs since Series S was conceived. My guess is that parents / grandparents getting the cheapest possible new toy, aren't about to spend much on purchases outside of b-days and xmas, never mind paying monthly subscriptions.

I also agree with you that lots of people will be determined to get one specific machine, and if its PS5 or Switch or Series X that their kids want, then that's what they will get. But there will be people who get sticker shock and give the cheapest option serious consideration.

 

[CrustyBritches]

People in the MS/PC ecosystem don't need to have a cow about the XSS because they understand it's just an entry-level console with Phone, PC, and XSX as alternatives. It's a great little console and most haters haven't used it and don't understand the benefits of Quick Resume, fast loading, Ryzen CPU for high frame rate gaming, emulation, etc.

Where's that 120fps list for XSS and XSX? I was shocked by that.

 

[NullZ3r0]

Literally. I would be more than happy as a gamer to see an Xbox Series X digital at $400 instead, it'll be extremely hard to find them in stores compared to S right now being relatively easy to grab one.

Where are these stores where you can magically find a Series S? MS, like Sony, is selling out everything the can ship right now.

And right now, it's not the Series S holding back next gen games, its the PS4. The Series S isn't the reason why GoW: Ragnarock and Horizon: FW will be PS4 Pro games with light raytracing effects and faster load-times on the PS5.

 

[acm2000]

Who the hell are these casuals that don't care at all about power but need the new Xbox as soon as possible? Are they all dying to play the medium, the only next gen only game on Xbox consoles?

its an upgrade for the xbox one that allows them to carry on playing all the old games and all the new ones too with their friends, its not hard to work out.

 

[Trogdor1123]

I like the series s. It will probably be the Xbox I get down the line.

 

[jroc74]

I think it's pretty obvious the difference in cost to manufacture between PS5DE and XSS is a lot more than $100. XSS is a relatively small SoC that only hits 100W paired with relatively cheap memory and storage. It's a tiny, simple design.

PS5 has more expensive silicon across the board, a lot more cooling hardware, and a much more complicated controller with crazy haptics. Not to mention a huge and heavy box they have to ship around.

Both companies might be losing on the sale, but I guarantee Sony is losing a lot more.

Yeah, I never implied that wasnt the case. Even if we put the XSS at $310 to make. I was just using estimates from Bloomberg vs no estimates for any Series console.

That was more for those saying the XSS cost less than $299 to make. Both consoles absolutely cost over their retail prices to make.

 

[OptimistPrime]

Yeah, I never implied that wasnt the case. Even if we put the XSS at $310 to make. I was just using estimates from Bloomberg vs no estimates for any Series console.

That was more for those saying the XSS cost less than $299 to make. Both consoles absolutely cost over their retail prices to make.

My original statement was that there's more pressure on the PS5DE to not drop in price

My guess is the Series S is right around $300 whereas the PS5DE is likely north of $500. Microsoft has a big incentive to price the Series S around $249 when supply starts to stabilize at $299, and even then they'll still likely be taking much less of a loss than the PS5DE. I bet less than 12 months from now we'll see the drop.

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

I don't like the Series S because it holds next gen back. I know what MS was trying to do with it but I would have preferred if they went the Sony route and released a console as powerful as the Series X that was discless. The lower spec of the Series S means devs will always be anchored down by its limitations when making multiplatform games. The fact that we are already seeing it hit its limits in terms of performance and resolution with cross gen games already spells trouble for it later down the road in my opinion. That and the fact that a few devs have already alluded tot he fact that it holds them back.

 

[dcmk7]

Glad you said this. This only proves that people thinking that MS should have had some sort of mega console with more RAM and higher specs was never realistic. Sony didn't put 20GB of RAM in the PS5 either. The XSS has been said numerous times is a BUDGET console. It is not for hardcore gamers and it is always going to be cheaper than any other console this generation. That was the point. It wasn't designed for developers to have unlimited resources it was designed to reach a larger audience. Even those complaining devs admitted it was a good deal for customers.

I'm still having a hard time understanding how the XSS is the massive road block to game development but the PC, which has specs all over the place, isn't a problem at all. Do you really believe that game developers will make minimum spec games on the PC that are HIGHER than the XSS? I haven't heard anyone explain how the XSS, which has the same feature set as the XSX, will be unable to handle this generations games with an equivalent CPU, and SSD. How big of a role does graphics really play especially when you are running on a 1080p set?

I have a feeling most of the detractors are in this camp. Totally clueless about the specs of the device. No wonder you see people making comparisons to the Switch. In the end ask yourself a simple question. Name ONE console that has better specs than the XSS but costs less. Build a PC with better specs but cheaper. If you can't than the XSS is perfectly designed for its target audience. After all it has more games running at 120 FPS than the PS5 and that console is more expensive.

How many times have you said this now?
You're spamming the whole forum with these kinds of posts.

Name one console with better specs but costs less than the PS5DE?

A 4k console, future proof, one SKU for developers, easier sell to consumers.

It's much better value for money all around. I'm sure you would begrudgingly agree, right?

 

[skneogaf]

I'd like to see an xbox series x digital just for comparisons in price.

 

[Renozokii]

a gold member of this forum ladies and gentlemen.
I know it can be confused with a youtube comments section post

The Xbox naming convention is a joke and I fail to see how any humanly possible explanation can change that. Xbox, Xbox 360, Xbox one, Xbox one s, Xbox one s digital, Xbox one x, Xbox series s, Xbox series x. Genuinely unsure how you can justify that. It is quite literally holding their sales back for casuals. Not to mention the comment I replied to was seriously suggesting Microsoft literally beef their consoles up without changing the name. That would be sales suicide. Common sense.

 

[Shmunter]

The Xbox naming convention is a joke and I fail to see how any humanly possible explanation can change that. Xbox, Xbox 360, Xbox one, Xbox one s, Xbox one s digital, Xbox one x, Xbox series s, Xbox series x. Genuinely unsure how you can justify that. It is quite literally holding their sales back for casuals. Not to mention the comment I replied to was seriously suggesting Microsoft literally beef their consoles up without changing the name. That would be sales suicide. Common sense.

Remember when Series X launched, sales of One X blew up. Lol, poor bastards.

 

[THE DUCK]

It'll be the series sx and the series x-2 joke of a company

Silly Ren, the whole idea of the name change is so they can revise the hardware without confusion. The S will always be the lower model, the x the higher end unit, even if upgraded. Think iPad.

 

[THE DUCK]

I don't like the Series S because it holds next gen back. I know what MS was trying to do with it but I would have preferred if they went the Sony route and released a console as powerful as the Series X that was discless. The lower spec of the Series S means devs will always be anchored down by its limitations when making multiplatform games. The fact that we are already seeing it hit its limits in terms of performance and resolution with cross gen games already spells trouble for it later down the road in my opinion. That and the fact that a few devs have already alluded tot he fact that it holds them back.

This garbage again? Since 99% of these multiplatform games have a pc version, your saying it's fine to develop for a 4 core processor, 8 gigs of ram and 8 year old video card on PC in thousands of configurations but one closed platform with more power somehow "holds back" next gen? Please.

 

[Renozokii]

It's possible

Because people argue constantly that it's a pointless device which it is not. It has a purpose which is to be a cheap entry point for Gamepass and to give Microsoft insight into future products. They don't care what enthusiasts think of the Series S as it's not meant for them.

Why does everyone think that every parent or non hardcore gaming is completely stupid and oblivious? But for some reason the ps3 started outselling the cheaper 360 once games started coming. For some reason people bought the ps4 in far larger quantity even once the xbox one started retailing for at least 50 bucks less. The iphone 11 is the best selling phone of 2020 by a mile, or the cheaper mini or se2.

What's the definition of enthusiasts anyway? People that can google something for 30 seconds? Better products outsell the cheaper stuff all the time. It doesn't take spending dozens of hours gaming a day to see the massive power advantage of a digital ps5 for only 100 bucks more.

And again we are consumers not stakeholders. All these arguments that benefit only Microsoft at the cost of better products for us is stupefying. The series s will hold a number of games back this gen. No if, ands, or buts about it. I don't make money when ms does thus devs being forced to make games run on far weaker hardware for years to come is bad.

 

[Renozokii]

its an upgrade for the xbox one that allows them to carry on playing all the old games and all the new ones too with their friends, its not hard to work out.

Or they can continue playing on their Xbox one for another year since it's hard as fuck to find the new consoles anyway and save like a dollar every 2 days to get the 200 dollars it takes to get an x instead, which will take less time than it will for Microsoft to put out actual next gen only games.

 

[Renozokii]

Silly Ren, the whole idea of the name change is so they can revise the hardware without confusion. The S will always be the lower model, the x the higher end unit, even if upgraded. Think iPad.

Yea I'm the silly one. The Wii U bombed despite being a successor to the literal best selling console of all time because not enough people knew it was a new console. The iPad gets away with its naming convention because it isn't in direct competition with anything, no one on an iPad is switch to a Samsung tablet. The iPhone which does compete is staying numbered.

Quote me should Microsoft every attempt launching new consoles without a new name it will bomb spectacularly.

 

[Justin9mm]

Regardless of the Series S being weaker or being a digital version of the X, I never would of bought it because I don't support all digital.

Most of my library is digital but we need consumer friendly options.

Until Microsoft and Sony implement a consumer friendly digital purchase environment e.g. Improved refund policies, ability to gift and or on sell a game and retailers being able to sell digital games with more competitive pricing through codes then I for one will never support buying an all digital console for as long as I can.

But in answer to OP's question, I think Microsoft have benefited from having a cheaper version and expanding their consumer base to the more casual gamer.

 

[Renozokii]

This garbage again? Since 99% of these multiplatform games have a pc version, your saying it's fine to develop for a 4 core processor, 8 gigs of ram and 8 year old video card on PC in thousands of configurations but one closed platform with more power somehow "holds back" next gen? Please.

Sure we'll just ignore developers own statements regarding this.

 

[WakeTheWolf]

I don't like the Series S because it holds next gen back. I know what MS was trying to do with it but I would have preferred if they went the Sony route and released a console as powerful as the Series X that was discless. The lower spec of the Series S means devs will always be anchored down by its limitations when making multiplatform games. The fact that we are already seeing it hit its limits in terms of performance and resolution with cross gen games already spells trouble for it later down the road in my opinion. That and the fact that a few devs have already alluded tot he fact that it holds them back.

That's like saying gaming PCs with medium entry gpus are holding the industry back. It is simply not true. Let the professionals worry about that

 

[Kataploom]

Sure we'll just ignore developers own statements regarding this.

What about those other devs stating the opposite? Are we just gonna ignore them too?

 

[skit_data]

What about those other devs stating the opposite? Are we just gonna ignore them too?

Most devs that have claimed this is not an issue are smaller developers, whereas some of the ones that have claimed it is indeed an issue have been devs at IDtech and a couple of others, Remedy IIRC.

I would say IDtech, one of the most respected engine developers, saying its an issue probably means it is an issue.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

A $300 lower end next gen console that is an absolutely insane value with gamepass and Xbox's quality backwards compatibility support, and is barely scratching the surface of what it can do since not many games truly designed around its featureset have been released just yet.

Yep, they made an excellent decision releasing it just the way they have.

 

[Kataploom]

Most devs that have claimed this is not an issue are smaller developers, whereas some of the ones that have claimed it is indeed an issue have been devs at IDtech and a couple of others, Remedy IIRC.

I would say IDtech, one of the most respected engine developers, saying its an issue probably means it is an issue.

Do you mean these devs? https://gamingbolt.com/xbox-series-...t-game-development-warhammer-40k-darktide-dev

You must have forgotten once devs use these (and some other) features, One X won't even touch Series S on fidelity: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/samp...-demo-impressions-video-to-come-soon.1601750/

Series S is an amazing machine, I'd be getting one this month if it wasn't for me needing a GPU for my job asap (at whatever the cost, basically).

 

[DarkMage619]

Do you mean these devs? https://gamingbolt.com/xbox-series-...t-game-development-warhammer-40k-darktide-dev

You must have forgotten once devs use these (and some other) features, One X won't even touch Series S on fidelity: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/samp...-demo-impressions-video-to-come-soon.1601750/

Series S is an amazing machine, I'd be getting one this month if it wasn't for me needing a GPU for my job asap (at whatever the cost, basically).

Most people ignore any devs that aren't complaining about the XSS and the ID tech dev comments aren't recent. The XSS will continue to improve as the development environment matures and devs start using the full suite of features. I can't believe some people on this forum think as time goes on the XSS will perform worse. That would be unprecedented.

 

[THE DUCK]

All of the devs that said it was "an issue" were totally misquoted and or blown out of proportion. Just because a developer faces a challenge, like with any hardware, doesn't make it bad hardware or garbage.

For example, a developer like insomniac could say that xbox series x gives them "issues" as the ssd isn't fast enough to instant load levels. Does that mean Series x is garbage, and that they won't find another way to make it work? Of course not.

The so called development issues is nothing more than fake news drummed up by a few people twisting words in this very forum. There were some articles where the developer said they had issues and even later in that very article they are quoted as saying they overcame them, yet the gaf headline read that the Series s was a problem.

 

[skit_data]

Do you mean these devs? https://gamingbolt.com/xbox-series-...t-game-development-warhammer-40k-darktide-dev

You must have forgotten once devs use these (and some other) features, One X won't even touch Series S on fidelity: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/samp...-demo-impressions-video-to-come-soon.1601750/

Series S is an amazing machine, I'd be getting one this month if it wasn't for me needing a GPU for my job asap (at whatever the cost, basically).

Two devs, with ongoing marketing agreements with Microsoft

or

IDtech before they knew of the Zenimax deal, Remedy and Infinity Ward devs.

Take a pick. Which ones would have the most reason not to express their honest feeling towards the Series S.

I haven't even mentioned One X so I have no idea why you bring that up, my stance is that I think devs would've preferred less unnecessary work in a time where game development time is getting longer and longer. Time will tell if Series S was a stroke of genious or an uneccesary workload for the latter half a gen.

 

[Shmunter]

Most people ignore any devs that aren't complaining about the XSS and the ID tech dev comments aren't recent. The XSS will continue to improve as the development environment matures and devs start using the full suite of features. I can't believe some people on this forum think as time goes on the XSS will perform worse. That would be unprecedented.

Takes balls to critique a system you're releasing games on to sell. Bad PR, and it begs to reason most are muzzled by their corp overlords.

The fact there some are sneaking through indicates where there's smoke there's fire.

 

[THE DUCK]

Yea I'm the silly one. The Wii U bombed despite being a successor to the literal best selling console of all time because not enough people knew it was a new console. The iPad gets away with its naming convention because it isn't in direct competition with anything, no one on an iPad is switch to a Samsung tablet. The iPhone which does compete is staying numbered.

Quote me should Microsoft every attempt launching new consoles without a new name it will bomb spectacularly.

The wii u bombed because it was barely more powerfull than the wii, had a confusing system, not enough games at first.
It had zero to do with name, the wii proved that with the world's worst console name selling 100 million units.

IPad has plenty of tablet competition, to say otherwise is absurd. Apple had 36.5% of the tablet market last year and you say they have no competition?

I never said it would work, I said it was the intent. Time will tell.

 

[DarkMage619]

Two devs, with ongoing marketing agreements with Microsoft

or

IDtech before they knew of the Zenimax deal, Remedy and Infinity Ward devs.

Take a pick. Which ones would have the most reason not to express their honest feeling towards the Series S.

I haven't even mentioned One X so I have no idea why you bring that up, my stance is that I think devs would've preferred less unnecessary work in a time where game development time is getting longer and longer. Time will tell if Series S was a stroke of genious or an uneccesary workload for the latter half a gen.

I'm positive all devs would prefer to make games only for the GTX 3090. Who wouldn't prefer to develop on a platform that has near unlimited resources? Customers want value and options and XSS provides both. Devs will provide what customers want.

 

[DarkMage619]

Takes balls to critique a system you're releasing games on to sell. Bad PR, and it begs to reason most are muzzled by their corp overlords.

The fact there some are sneaking through indicates where there's smoke there's fire.

Most likely they were comfortable running to twitter believing that MS was going to be a non factor so criticizing the company was no big deal. It would have been much wiser to contact MS for developer support and get assistance in making a better product rather than complaining on social media. There has been no evidence that the XSS is a bigger hindrance to game development over low speced PCs.

 

[Kataploom]

The wii u bombed because it was barely more powerfull than the wii, had a confusing system, not enough games at first.
It had zero to do with name, the wii proved that with the world's worst console name selling 100 million units.

IPad has plenty of tablet competition, to say otherwise is absurd. Apple had 36.5% of the tablet market last year and you say they have no competition?

I never said it would work, I said it was the intent. Time will tell.

I'm one of those having zero issues with current Xbox naming, it's easy to get that "S" is low end and "X" is high end, but surely Wii U name was a very big problem for its marketing, also it was not "barely" more powerful than Wii, but by landslide. It was actually more powerfull than PS360 apart from CPU (but even PS4 and Xbone CPUs are weaker than those on PS360).

The problem was mostly the marketing and I'm talking about the console look too, it was very confusing for consumers thinking it was just a wii, which I think is not a problem for Xbox Series consoles, if anything they nailed the visual design this time after all the shit we threw at them for the VCR meme on Xbone launch lol.

 

[Vognerful]

Literally. I would be more than happy as a gamer to see an Xbox Series X digital at $400 instead. It'll be extremely hard to find them in stores compared to S right now being relatively easy to grab one.

I think people also forget to mention that there are not many PS5DE in the market as well. Most sales show that it is dwarfed by the physical edition and you are not seeing it in the shelves.

 

[greencoder]

Microsoft should have made the Series S' GPU 1/2 as powerful as the Series X' GPU, not 1/3. Nobody would complain because that's 6 TFLOPS.

 

[Shmunter]

Most likely they were comfortable running to twitter believing that MS was going to be a non factor so criticizing the company was no big deal. It would have been much wiser to contact MS for developer support and get assistance in making a better product rather than complaining on social media. There has been no evidence that the XSS is a bigger hindrance to game development over low speced PCs.

I imagine difference being on PC is users are left to their own devises, set it wrong you're running a slideshow, no shits given. On Xbox, devs are forced to release a competent & tested product on Xss if they wish to be part of the eco system.

Dev effort, testing, spread more thin, time, money, etc.

 

[skit_data]

I'm positive all devs would prefer to make games only for the GTX 3090. Who wouldn't prefer to develop on a platform that has near unlimited resources? Customers want value and options and XSS provides both. Devs will provide what customers want.

They would definitely prefer that yes, but not giving devs "major issues with the ram situation on Series S" is pretty far from suggesting RTX 3090s to be fitted into these consoles.

2.5x the teraflop count, bigger and faster SSD in PS5 DE for a $100 more.
That's value.

 

[LMJ]

Personally yes I think they should have...

i realize optimization will occur on the XseX/S, but cross gen games are already taxing the thing and dropping the resolution on titles.

I think once real next gen engines and such get moving we'll see the S REALLY start to struggle, I couldn't see the S pulling off fidelity on a game like Rift Apart for example (just an example, leave the war BS behind) without some serious cutbacks to effects/res/FPS etc

 

[Raekwon26]

Complete waste of time this console.

Almost as stupid as that SAD Edition rubbish they released. Will sell like shit.