Shuhei Yoshida mentions Sony likes Nintendo doing well because they hope Nintendo fans might "graduate to more mature systems" like PlayStation
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Heisenberg007
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I'm pretty sure that already happens to an extent.
And the other way around as well: PS gamers buying Nintendo Switch as their secondary console and/or for their kids.
Most likely that's why Nintendo is now the defacto secondary console, but there are VERY few people who ONLY own a Nintendo console and nothing else (no PS or PC)
And the other way around as well: PS gamers buying Nintendo Switch as their secondary console and/or for their kids.
Most likely that's why Nintendo is now the defacto secondary console, but there are VERY few people who ONLY own a Nintendo console and nothing else (no PS or PC)
LordOcidax
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Somebody please keep the Sony representatives and ex representatives away from microphones and the media press these days…
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
XERXES_89
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This is how todays groups gain traction: victimhood. Yoshidas words are accurate, but they are ammo for nintendo fans to leverage gains in console wars. Of course nintendo is for kids and Its an embarrasement to watch adults playing pokemons, toads and monkeys, but that shouldn't be said bc is ammo for them.
Felessan
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PC is for young with lot of free time and passion (to fight hardware and software problems). Troubleshooting is not particularly pleasured time spent, especially when you are limited in free time.
Switch is for kids and families with kids. Like most popular Nintendo franchises designed with kids in mind and have gameplay, story etc adapted first and foremost for children level.
And this chart mean nothing, as if 10 years old will reply on survey
Lunarorbit
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That was my video game path growing up. Nes, snes, then psx.
Nintendo is definitely geared towards family/children and if you deny that you have to get over your ego. It doesn't mean you're a child if you love Pokémon; I think this is the issue people get butthurt over.
Nintendo is definitely geared towards family/children and if you deny that you have to get over your ego. It doesn't mean you're a child if you love Pokémon; I think this is the issue people get butthurt over.
viveks86
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These retired folk need to do what other wise old people do. Shut up!
Having said that, there is a kernel of truth to this. Kids do start off with Nintendo (as did I) as they have always focused on kid/family friendly content. The blood thirst starts as we grow older. "Mature" as in blood and sex. Not emotional/intellectual maturity. Most of us never get to the latter anyway.
Having said that, there is a kernel of truth to this. Kids do start off with Nintendo (as did I) as they have always focused on kid/family friendly content. The blood thirst starts as we grow older. "Mature" as in blood and sex. Not emotional/intellectual maturity. Most of us never get to the latter anyway.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Oooh, the digital library, that's a good thing to consider and I wonder if it's something Shuhei didn't account for in his take?
And actually, with Nintendo physical library would have just as much of weight considering their games are permanent exclusives to their own hardware ecosystem. So there is more of a justification in keeping those games around and a Nintendo system present to play them on, and if your tastes are dominated by Nintendo games and adjacent 3P stuff (i.e Sonic), chances are you aren't going to get a steady diet of that on non-Nintendo platforms.
Which ties in well with this...
Ironically:
...which is interesting, because it debunks the notion that Nintendo's games are for kids, if most of its audience are adults who'd be in the same age demographic as PlayStation and Xbox's main customer bases. I think people confuse "for kids" with "all-ages" or family-friendly. Nintendo's stuff is closer to Toy Story than Blue's Clues, and we know a LOT of adults love the Toy Story films...not so much Blue's Clues, though.
And yeah, I also wonder about how this perception of Nintendo being "kiddy" really took hold. I think some of SEGA of America's marketing with Genesis started the trend, but I don't think Sony leaned into it directly with PS1, since a lot of their 3P support and new customer base were coming from Nintendo (and SEGA) platforms, and a lot of early PS1 games were still landing comfortably in similar demographics as Saturn, 3DO, Jaguar, and even Genesis & SNES. The big break towards more story-driven titles with heavier focus on mature themes (on console) didn't really begin until games like Resident Evil became more prolific.
Even then, the N64, I don't remember that being considered "kiddy", not when games like GoldenEye and Conker's Bad Fur Day were very high-profile on the system. So it'd seem perhaps more gamers, competitors & the press started leaning into the "Nintendo is kiddy" argument with GameCube, actually. I mean in some ways I can't blame them with the aesthetic of the system & controller (still one of the best controllers ever made though). Not to mention, GameCube never really got the mature game support PS2 or Xbox received, tho they tried combating that with exclusive RE games, Killer 7 and whatnot. RE4 getting the PS2 version announced prior to GC's release likely heavily undermined things though, and with Nintendo's pivot away from chasing power in the Wii, that likely cemented the perception.
It reveals a lot about gamers, media and even executives at rival companies though, that they perceive mature gaming to be more about realistic graphics, swearing, sex, drugs & violence than, well, actually mature subject matter. But that's a bit of a different topic.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Hilarious. 
By his logic PC would be the more mature system. (cof cof like no censuring nudity, etc cof cof).
By his logic PC would be the more mature system. (cof cof like no censuring nudity, etc cof cof).The irony...
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viveks86
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I don't think that's necessarily ironic. It's not like you stop consuming family friendly content as you get older. You just start consuming other stuff too.Ironically:
BlackTron
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God I'm old.
Felessan
Member
It's survey based with all the problems surveys has like relevance and representation
Moreover iirc to participate in survey you have to be 18+. So for children to be reflected on this chart a) parents should participate in survey, b) they should explicitly state that their children play game
And low-involved parents, as in any surveys, will not participate, skewing results to families where both parents and children plays actively and adults with no children
Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
He's been saying this for years now. It used to be accurate in the Wii/Wiiu/Early Switch days. Not so much anymore.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
We spend far less time fighting the PC vs with long loading screens in pre PS5 era games.
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Roufianos
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It's a generalisation but it's got some truth to it. I am not saying I'm too cool for Nintendo, I'm a massive man child in many respects, but I also don't vibe with almost all their IP except Pokémon which I have huge nostalgia for.
The aesthetics of something like Kirby or Splatoon are entirely unappealing though I'd probably have loved them as a kid.
Also, I liked Dread and BotW as they were sophisticated games, but other stuff I ventured out into like Luigi's Mansion 3 felt really basic with no challenge. I remember a lot of their games in the Wii era being dumbed down for accessibility.
The aesthetics of something like Kirby or Splatoon are entirely unappealing though I'd probably have loved them as a kid.
Also, I liked Dread and BotW as they were sophisticated games, but other stuff I ventured out into like Luigi's Mansion 3 felt really basic with no challenge. I remember a lot of their games in the Wii era being dumbed down for accessibility.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Oops I meant to say every kid I know of. As in, my kids, their friends & cousins, my friends' kids etc.
FWIW I started on Atari 2600, that might make me an old timer here too.
StreetsofBeige
Member
Shu is right.
Nintendo games skew to be more colourful family fun games.
It's not necessarily even an age thing. But mentality. I grew up playing kiddie games but as a teenager I tried to skew more to gritty games or playing turn based strategy games on PC. I'd don't know what I was doing as a kid but I even liked playing cartels & cutthroats with my siblings on Apple II.
Nintendo first party games are the complete opposite of a lot of best selling and played games on Xbox and Ps. A lot of big third party games don't even bother doing nintendo ports or they come years later with a downport as they know the audience isn't there.
When Wii u came out, it had a ton of day one third party games. So Nintendo tried. And so did third party since the system was pretty similar power to 360 and ps3. Hardly anyone bought them. I think the only third party game that sold decent was zombie u exclusive game. All gamers interested in cod, fifa, batman etc… just played it on Xbox, Ps or pc.
Nintendo games skew to be more colourful family fun games.
It's not necessarily even an age thing. But mentality. I grew up playing kiddie games but as a teenager I tried to skew more to gritty games or playing turn based strategy games on PC. I'd don't know what I was doing as a kid but I even liked playing cartels & cutthroats with my siblings on Apple II.
Nintendo first party games are the complete opposite of a lot of best selling and played games on Xbox and Ps. A lot of big third party games don't even bother doing nintendo ports or they come years later with a downport as they know the audience isn't there.
When Wii u came out, it had a ton of day one third party games. So Nintendo tried. And so did third party since the system was pretty similar power to 360 and ps3. Hardly anyone bought them. I think the only third party game that sold decent was zombie u exclusive game. All gamers interested in cod, fifa, batman etc… just played it on Xbox, Ps or pc.
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That had more to do with Wii U than Nintendo. On the Switch, multiple third party titles have sold exceptionally well. Switch versions of Skyrim, Hogwarts Legacy, The Witcher 3, Mortal Kombat, and even sports games like FIFA, routinely outsell the Xbox versions of those games at retail at this point. The lacking third party support comes down more to the hardware needing specific time and attention to get games running on it than the lack of an audience. Even RDR and GTA came to Switch, and ended up doing extremely well.
Your mindset is stuck at least a decade ago, evident by your examples being more than a decade old.
mayham2199
Member
Not IME. I tried to love PC gaming it has so much upside to it but my god the issues the come up drive me crazy. Even if it's just a 10 min fix I don't want to fucking deal with it. I worked all day I don't want to come up and troubleshoot some stupid issue. I wont even get into the hackers that infest any MP game worth a damn.
StreetsofBeige
Member
I would hope so switch sells more copies of some third party then Xbox. Switch has 4-5x the user base.
Sales in recent year of course will sell better too since the Xbox version already came out at launch. Skyrim has been on Xbox systems since 360. And surely in gamepass anyway.
Someone posted a chart the past month or so and hardly any third party games sell well in switch. I think monster hunter was up there and maybe a few more. The rest barely sold. It was something like the top 19 or 20 games out of 20 were all first party.
Wii was a good example too. Hardly any ea sports or cod games in there despite some of these kinds of games coming out even getting last gen PS2 versions.
People wanted to wii waggle family fun and first party games.
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noob smokes
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He aint wrong part from the manchildren who still throw pokeballs
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Stay away from PC than and enjoy 1+min long loading screens and stuff.
Funny. I play WoW R6 Siege regularly and rarely see something even suspect of being cheat.
LordOcidax
Member
What's the difference of that and running dressed like a clown with a fictional gun?
Nintendo games are the highest selling games in the industry, except for Rockstar. They would dominate the charts on any system. This doesn't mean third party games aren't selling extremely well on there, they obviously are, which is why third parties keep making the effort to port stuff on there. Nintendo stuff just sells on a whole other level, which is why it shows up in the charts.
There is never ending evidence of how strongly third party games perform on Switch. Most Multiplatform titles easily outperform the Xbox versions at least, and for indie games and Japanese support (such as Hollow Knight, Hades, Stardew Valley, Persona 5, Ys, etc) they outright sell more than any console. Your information is either inaccurate or misinterpreted.
Ev1L AuRoN
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Nintendo is the boomer system
Zacfoldor
Member
It's an old talking point honestly.
During the gamecube era Nintendo was still competition with Sony and back then, lemme tell you, the console wars were hot and heavy. Before there was commonly accepted nicknames for each fanboy type we had just pure misunderstood hatred pouring out from all sides. Moderation was a novelty(not gaf, other sites from my time back in the olden days). Nintendo was losing. Sony was the hot king and Nintendo was old news. The most common anti-Ninty talking point was Nintendo is for Babies and Sony is for the hip bullies that run the school(I was in uni at this point).
Then Nintendo release Wind Waker. The best Zelda game probably. However, the art style was a fucking FIELD DAY for the Nintendo haters. It was pure 100% unadulterated confirmation bias. That cemented in the belief that Nintendo is for kids even to this day in some circles, but it isn't true. Nintendo appeals exactly as they say, to all ages. Wind Waker ends up being maybe their best game.
During the gamecube era Nintendo was still competition with Sony and back then, lemme tell you, the console wars were hot and heavy. Before there was commonly accepted nicknames for each fanboy type we had just pure misunderstood hatred pouring out from all sides. Moderation was a novelty(not gaf, other sites from my time back in the olden days). Nintendo was losing. Sony was the hot king and Nintendo was old news. The most common anti-Ninty talking point was Nintendo is for Babies and Sony is for the hip bullies that run the school(I was in uni at this point).
Then Nintendo release Wind Waker. The best Zelda game probably. However, the art style was a fucking FIELD DAY for the Nintendo haters. It was pure 100% unadulterated confirmation bias. That cemented in the belief that Nintendo is for kids even to this day in some circles, but it isn't true. Nintendo appeals exactly as they say, to all ages. Wind Waker ends up being maybe their best game.
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mayham2199
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I don't even know what you are talking about with loading screens. I never noticed a difference on PC or PS5. If there was a difference it was so small I didn't even care. Hell it's not even an issue I hear anyone complaining about anymore.
lol did you seriously bring up R6 siege? That's like one of the top games known to be ruined by hackers. I remember one summer me and my cousin would have our rank adjusted every single day because a hacker was on our team or on the enemy team it was wild to see. Every day we would get on and hope that our ranking wasn't adjusted down. Then you'd have the mass banning being announced while you played and it was just list after list of players being banned.
StreetsofBeige
Member
If third games sold so well on Nintendo platforms there would be ea sports, cod, day one AAA games.
A lot of them don't bother releasing even. And if they do take years to port.
This ain't even a switch issue. But wii u and wii too.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
What part of "pre PS5 era games" was not clear?
Then I must be a cheater too on R6 Siege because I am constantly on top or at least getting positive K/D.
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Zacfoldor
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....what? Do you ordinarily pull things like this out of thin air?
Like, we aren't guessing. We have the numbers. 3rd party games have sold incredibly well on Switch. It changed since the Wii u and Wii friend...it changed.
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Topher
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Madserb2023
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This can't be further from the truth. Going to midnight launches over the years for PlayStation, Xbox and Nintendo games, I would say the average age of the people there increases in that order.
Hudo
Member
That is unironically true. In this very moment, I actually have a copy of Super Mario Odyssey lying next to a copy of Tactics Ogre Reborn, the latter of which is a story about genocide, the former is a story about a plumber trippin' balls.
LordOcidax
Member
This was a common practice from Sony back in the 2000s… That originated the Sony fanbase mentality. The Fun part is that their most celebrated PS5 game is inspired by Nintendo games.
Portugeezer
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Meanwhile Nintendo fans:
I told you what the issue is already, you have chosen to ignore it:
We literally have third parties on the record stating that they regret ignoring the Switch audience on the Nintendo, and we have third parties continuing to make impossible ports to the original Switch (Ace Combat 7, Kingdom Come Deliverance) to this day, do you think they are doing it for fun?
EA Sports games have been day one on Switch for years btw, and as I mentioned, they frequently outsell the Xbox versions (and depending on the country, such as Spain or France, they may even outsell the PS versions sometime).
This isn't a Switch issue, you are right. It was a Wii and Wii U issue. It's not a Switch issue. Your mindset, and the data it is based on, is at least a decade or so out of date.
ShadyAcshuns
Gold Member
How come every time I play one of these "mature" games my ears bleed from all the screaming young children?
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
I can only speak for myself, I don't ever "graduate" from Nintendo games because they are fun to play which my biggest reason I chose video game as my favourite hobby in the first place.
That being said I need both, this why I own both PS5 and Switch 2.
That being said I need both, this why I own both PS5 and Switch 2.
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PlayStaytion
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Shhhhhh! Nintendo fans are immortals just like Ash Ketchum.
