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Silent Hill: Shattered Memories - |OT| of Not Your Father's Silent Hill
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Hellsing321
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Ok I'm stuck in the
High School. I have to get to the gym but it seems the only way to get there is through the Planetarium. I guess there is a puzzle I have to solve with the projector in the Planetarium but I can't figure out what it wants me to do.
brandonh83
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MiniDitka said:
Mine too.
Bluemercury
Member
So is this worth buying?im in chapter 8 of dead space pc and i might continue in the horror department....
brandonh83
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Bluemercury said:So is this worth buying?im in chapter 8 of dead space pc and i might continue in the horror department....
I would say that Shattered Memories is 100% as scary as Dead Space.
Played through a second time trying to replicate the first so I could record the ending. Needless to say, there are some massive spoilers in that video. it's the ending sequence as Harry
. HQ should be up shortly. I was actually surprised how much everything changed from my first run despite how I was trying to play about the same. I might try for the UFO ending next. I managed to summon them, so I'll do it again next time.
In any case, I really liked the game, but it's still not my GOTY, that's still Little King's Story, but to be fair, thats alot to live up to.
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In any case, I really liked the game, but it's still not my GOTY, that's still Little King's Story, but to be fair, thats alot to live up to.
I just finished the game. The ending left me speechless. Literally, speechless. I was just staring at the screen in disbelief because I honestly wasn't expecting that at all... and when
, I freaked the fuck out.
Overall, I thought the game was very enjoyable. I liked the puzzles, the graphics (they did a nice job with the signs and stuff... unlike other games where if you get within 15 feet of them they turn into a blurry mess). I think they did a great job with the Wiimote features too. The only thing that really pissed me off is the "trowing enemies off you" controls. Other than that, everything else was great.
I think I'm gonna go through the game once again just to see the differences. Also, I'm hoping to understand the symbolism a bit more... I've read various "plot analyses" and such, but I still don't really understand
Anyone care to explain?
Harry walked in
Overall, I thought the game was very enjoyable. I liked the puzzles, the graphics (they did a nice job with the signs and stuff... unlike other games where if you get within 15 feet of them they turn into a blurry mess). I think they did a great job with the Wiimote features too. The only thing that really pissed me off is the "trowing enemies off you" controls. Other than that, everything else was great.
I think I'm gonna go through the game once again just to see the differences. Also, I'm hoping to understand the symbolism a bit more... I've read various "plot analyses" and such, but I still don't really understand
who Dhalia is and what Lisa's purpose was.
I didn't read any of the spoilers, but the way it was talked about in this thread, I wound up figuring out "the twist" during the opening cutscene. I can't even rememeber what tipped me off initially anymore, but I wound up playing most of the game with the assumption that that's what was happening.
Which makes me really appreciate how well the game hangs together; it doesn't tip its hand early on (somebody said they felt the shrink gave it away with the mention of
, but he does
)
The last couple of 'chase' sequences were really well done, I thought, but the previous ones were all irritating. The last one was fantastic because it sort of highlighted something I'd noticed earlier on, namely that
. Second-to-last kind of turned the whole "constantly lost" aspect into a perk.
One thing about the interpetations I've read is the assumption that
, which I don't necessarily agree with. I tended to see the whole thing as
I don't know that it totally hangs together, but I like it because it covers certain things that don't necessarily make total sense otherwise.
This could all be painfully obvious or painfully stupid, but it 's made the whole thing more interesting for me.
Which makes me really appreciate how well the game hangs together; it doesn't tip its hand early on (somebody said they felt the shrink gave it away with the mention of
"slut" in the high school description wordlist
kick off the list with "jock", which carries a fairly strong male connotation.
The last couple of 'chase' sequences were really well done, I thought, but the previous ones were all irritating. The last one was fantastic because it sort of highlighted something I'd noticed earlier on, namely that
the creatures don't actively want to hurt you; creepiest thing I saw was, upon dying in an early chase sequence, that one of the nightmare things just starts gently petting Harry.
One thing about the interpetations I've read is the assumption that
everything was happening in Cheryl's imagination
Silent Hill taking the strong memory/emotion Cheryl was processing in therapy, and spitting out a Harry doppelganger who proceeds to act as the on in Cheryl's memory would. So everything in the game, to one extent or another, actually happened.
I don't know that it totally hangs together, but I like it because it covers certain things that don't necessarily make total sense otherwise.
Lisa, for example, might not actually have any significant historical meaning for Cheryl herself. She could just be some poor nurse caught up in modern-day SH mania, who runs into the manufactured Harry. Dahlia in the apartment might be the real Dahlia, hence the actual reference to Cheryl's real location, while teenage Dahlia is some sort of mental image Cheryl has of how her mom might have been earlier on; mom being the "bad girl" makes sense if Cheryl's blamed her all along for dad's drinking/sleeping around/the divorce/whatever. The whole thing with Michelle/John might have actually happened; etc. It also adds an aspect to the "no creepyness outside of nightmare world", since Harry himself is a creepyness construct. He's a semi-crazed dead guy wandering around with dead-set determination to find someone who hasn't existed in 18 years;he only really gets messed with when Cheryl's emotional panic pushes him into nightmare world to stop him from realizing the truth.
So other than gameplay-wise, is SM vastly different from SH1? I'm just wondering because I've never actually played any other SH game (I saw my sister play through SH1 when I was like 11 or so, but I don't remember anything about it.) and I recently got a PSP... so I'm thinking about getting SH1. I'm also thinking about hunting down a copy of SH2 on the Xbox.
abstract alien
Member
Ive played about 30 minutes or so and Im really loving it so far. Opening doors with full control is such a huge breath of fresh air, and also a bit of a frightening one. There is a very eerie feeling about cracking open a door and taking a peak, as it really connects to you more than most mechanics in gaming. Only real complaint I have at the moment has to do with the movement of the main character on the screen. It isn't terrible or anything, but he seems a bit disconnected at times. During certain movements and angles, he appears to have the "sliding" characteristic of fps characters as he moves, just not nearly as bad.
This is definitely worth the price of admission from the bit that Ive played.
This is definitely worth the price of admission from the bit that Ive played.
brandonh83
Banned
abstract alien said:
Do not highlight this if you haven't beaten the game:
This is something else that frustrated me and felt like lost potential. Why allow that function, and like everything else in the game, not do anything with it? When I heard about this back at E3 I was like wow there's so much room for possibility with that door opening function, but you can go through the entire game without doing it and it doesn't make a difference and they don't have a single room you can enter in the game that you should enter slowly like that; there's nothing interesting or scary they did with that element.
brandonh83
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shidoshi said:
Yeah that's what I said. Very disappointing. I mean, they give us the option to do this, and they take the time to implement it, yet, it leads to nothing.
DevelopmentArrested
Banned
Is it weird that I kind of wish there were no creatures/monsters in this game?
I haven't gotten it yet but the chase/nightmare sequences seem the least interesting to me; whereas just wandering around a creepy dark world seems awesome.
I haven't gotten it yet but the chase/nightmare sequences seem the least interesting to me; whereas just wandering around a creepy dark world seems awesome.
abstract alien
Member
Damn, you just spoiled it, now I wont have any tension what so ever :^/ I was never scared in silent hill 2 anyway, so this feature wouldn't help me much there. Now in SH 3....oh hell yeah.shidoshi said:
ace harding: private eye
Member
Tons of missed opportunities in this game. The biggest, I feel, is that the lack of combat was utilized so haphazardly, rather than creating an oh-shit-better-turn-out-your-flashlight-and-creep kind of stealth gameplay.shidoshi said:
It was also cool that you could walk up to things and read them; the problem was that everything looked like crap. The
"Married in Hawaii"
The usage of the Wiimote speaker was excellent, but could have been so much more, were there enemies in the overworld.
The drawing on the map feature was an awesome and welcome idea, but COMPLETELY superfluous, considering the game was linear to the point of blocking off previous areas, and the solution to every puzzle was never more than a few steps away.
DevelopmentArrested said:
Absolutely. For a similar experience, walk around your neighborhood...in the EVENING!
Just finished it once and I actually think it's one of the better stories in the Silent Hill series if for no other reason than the fact that they left behind all the cult shit. I'll probably go for at least one more ending or turn of events just to revisit the intrigue knowing what it leads up to now.
The one misstep this game made was separating the horror from the rest of the game. They bet it all on the chase sequences which didn't really work out. They would've done better if one: they had more creepy environments in the normal world and two: if they had more otherworld sequences like the middle one where you're forced to explore the environment with enemies present.
Despite kinda failing as a horror game though, Shattered Memories still succeeds as a good adventure game with psycho horror elements.
The one misstep this game made was separating the horror from the rest of the game. They bet it all on the chase sequences which didn't really work out. They would've done better if one: they had more creepy environments in the normal world and two: if they had more otherworld sequences like the middle one where you're forced to explore the environment with enemies present.
Despite kinda failing as a horror game though, Shattered Memories still succeeds as a good adventure game with psycho horror elements.
Heh, I forgot about that feature. The first time I tried to open a door it said I can do it via a motion with the remote or just by holding A, and I did the latter and since opening a door slowly never really came in useful, I forgot about that feature.
Regarding the length of the game, I usually take longer than most people on my first play through, since I like to explore every part of the game, and even backtrack sometimes (like if I end up taking the correct path on my first try, I go back and check the other paths), and SM took me longer to finish than SH1 or Origins, about the same time as SH3 and Homecoming, and a bit less than SH2 and SH4 (which had a lot of backtracking and walking).
But I think SM feels shorter because it has less memorable places and moments than the other games and you don't really spend much time in any one place to feel like you've explored it. Combat, fetch quests keys that are more than a couple of feet away from their locks makes it feel like you've spent more time in a given location than just going straight through it.
By the way, I think it's a nice touch that the battery level indicator on your cellphone mirror's that of the Wii remote.
Regarding the length of the game, I usually take longer than most people on my first play through, since I like to explore every part of the game, and even backtrack sometimes (like if I end up taking the correct path on my first try, I go back and check the other paths), and SM took me longer to finish than SH1 or Origins, about the same time as SH3 and Homecoming, and a bit less than SH2 and SH4 (which had a lot of backtracking and walking).
But I think SM feels shorter because it has less memorable places and moments than the other games and you don't really spend much time in any one place to feel like you've explored it. Combat, fetch quests keys that are more than a couple of feet away from their locks makes it feel like you've spent more time in a given location than just going straight through it.
By the way, I think it's a nice touch that the battery level indicator on your cellphone mirror's that of the Wii remote.
abstract alien
Member
I enjoyed Haunting Ground for lack of enemies as well.DevelopmentArrested said:
abstract alien said:
Not sure if you were joking or not, but really, there's NOTHING spoiler about that. It's been stated a hundred times already that there is nothing threatening in "snowy" Silent Hill, and it's also been stated many times that "stealth" in the nightmare portions is pretty much non-existant.
abstract alien
Member
I did a complete black out of this game, so it probably was and I just didnt know about it, as didnt watch or read anything outside of the very first gameplay video shown. Hell, I didn't even know that there were "chase" sequences, or that the menu was done on the cellphone :lol I did know about the profiling system though, but thats about it.shidoshi said:
shidoshi said:
In a way that's actually the biggest possible spoiler for Silent Hill really.
It was the same with Silent Hill 2: if you knew beforehand there was pretty much never going to be a jump scare you'd stop anticipating one and a lot of the atsmosphere would be ruined.
As long as you don't know for certain there's never going to be a "monster in the safe room" type situation, it will still be kind of scary.
Just watched the Giant Bomb quicklook and this looks about 100 times more appealing than the last couple of Silent Hill games.
ace harding: private eye
Member
The problem with removing ties to the cult is that Silent Hill has now becomeRedSwirl said:
nothing more than a regular place. In the other titles, it was a cursed entity that preyed upon a person's weaknesses, and manifested them into horrific situations. In Shattered Memories, it's the opposite, with Cheryl warping the town within her mind. Cool twist, but it totally invalidates the significance of Silent Hill, as it could have basically been any city.
Combichristoffersen
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RedSwirl said:
The 'cult shit' was what originally made me interested in the SH series, so seeing it being taken out makes me a sad panda. Without it, the series becomes not much more than any other standard survival horror game. That said, I'll wait to pass judgement on this until I get to play it. Think I'll buy the PS2 version when it's out here in February or so.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Damn, just wanted to restate how good looking this game is. This is easily at the top tier of graphics for the system.
I just had my first monster grab me as I was walking through the door. That certainly was unexpected haha. I was trying to open it slowly and BOOM! It leaned through the door and jumped on my, I had to slam the door shut and turn around and run the other way :lol
I just had my first monster grab me as I was walking through the door. That certainly was unexpected haha. I was trying to open it slowly and BOOM! It leaned through the door and jumped on my, I had to slam the door shut and turn around and run the other way :lol
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
That slow walk scene after the high school to the club was mesmerizing, damn. It's such a shame Konami balked and decided not to promote this. I really hope it sells more than 211k units LTD at least
Does she change how she looks at all, in my game she's a blonde with her hair up wearing a pink dress
Does she change how she looks at all, in my game she's a blonde with her hair up wearing a pink dress
brandonh83
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John Harker said:
Michelle? Yeah, she changes.
Erebus
Member
After watching GiantBomb QL, I noticed that when you're into the icy "evil" form of the town, there are these blue outlines around doors or on the top of walls that seem to indicate what your next step should be. Is this something that appears only at the beginning of SM or is it always present in the game like Runner's Vision in Mirror's Edge?
DarkUSS said:
Always there in Nightmare Mode, but they don't represent the best path to take, just possible exits. Because Nightmare World is so dark, and because you may turn off the flashlight to attract a little less attention, they're basically there to give you an idea if what to run towards. Basically every door and ledge/fence you can use is highlighted in blue, regardless of whether or not it leads anywhere worth going.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
brandonh83 said:
What were some of the other models for her?
btw, where do all those Moments go after you find them?
Haven't seen a way to look at them after they've been stored
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
Jocchan said:
Hmm I wonder of Mirror's Edge could have used creepy shape changing monster things trying to latch onto you.
ace harding: private eye said:
The problem with the cult storyline in my opinion is that it tries to be too exploitative of why Silent Hill is the way it is. All we need to know is that Silent Hill itself is a screwed up town for reasons we can't fully understand.
I'll agree that SH2 probably had the perfect balance by mentioning the fact that the town was creepy without ever actually going into why. Shattered Memories would've done well with even just a single mention of the fact that this town is special.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
do you find out the combination to the safe in the toy store in the toy store itself? im havin trouble openin it
John Harker said:
This one was fun to figure out; the safe itself is just one click away from opening. Turn the dial until you hear a click and try the handle. There's a couple of different numbers that it can be, so make sure to keep twisting the dial until you get one that works.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
ahh thanks gents. I way over thought it. I heard
the click and thought it was just 1 of 3 i needed to do so I kept playing around it. I also called the Toy Recall line thinking that number was a hint and kept trying to really specifically place the digits to the ones in the recall phone number that was given out :lol