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[Nintaiyo]

Well, it is.

I don't disagree. But I wouldn't say that it's types like Jeff that are what's wrong with the industry, either.

 

[Medalion]

Majora's Mask and Wind Waker my two fave 3D Zelda

 

[Vire]

Haha, Majora's Mask is my favourite 3D Zelda and Sunshine is my favourite 3D Mario.

It's 2 weeks today until I'll be playing another console Zelda game. I've waited 5 years and it's only 2 weeks away.

Sunshine and Majora's Mask had to rely on gimmicks to set themselves apart from the other games in the franchise.

I won't knock them for being uncreative about the process, I just felt the execution was really lacking. Especially in Sunshine's case...

Sunshine had a host of technical issues that plagued it as well, from the poor framerate in boss battles to truly terrible camera controls. A water jetpack isn't what makes Mario great.

But that's besides the point at hand.

Speaking of Wiimote sound, does Skyward Sword feature any?

I hope not, at the very least - if it is the sound fidelity needs to be improved dramatically...

 

[Lord_Byron28]

Did Jeff also review the GC version?

I believe he did and gave it an 8.9. I'd be interested in what he has to say about the game but at the same time watching that GIF of him playing Wii Sports kinda makes me not want to since he doesn't seem to enjoy motion control whether well implemented or not.

 

[guek]

I dunno, I don't think the day mechanic is what really sets Majora's Mask apart from the rest of the franchise.

Ok, I guess it does, but it's not what people enjoy the most about MM from what I understand

 

[Somnia]

Tough for someone to vote properly on the VGA's (Jeff is a reviewer) if he doesn't even play all of the games.

 

[Vire]

Tough for someone to vote properly on the VGA's (Jeff is a reviewer) if he doesn't even play all of the games.

VGA's have credibility?

I believe he did and gave it an 8.9. I'd be interested in what he has to say about the game but at the same time watching that GIF of him playing Wii Sports kinda makes me not want to since he doesn't seem to enjoy motion control whether well implemented or not.

He said he actually preferred the Wii controls in the GC review.

The score difference was based on what was expected of the platform's capabilities.

 

[cartman414]

Sunshine and Majora's Mask had to rely on gimmicks to set themselves apart from the other games in the franchise.

As opposed to the toon-shading and the shading of Wind Waker? Sheesh.

Majora's Mask had less cruft than the other 3d Zeldas to date. It also had one of the more unique quest structures of any Zelda game.

By numbers of people who bought, by the amount it's brought up in comparision to best Zelda in mags and other places, the scores the game got.

MM has it's fans but lets be real here. MM is and was considered a black sheep by a large portion of the Zelda fanbase just as II was before it.

The masses aren't always right.

 

[Beth Cyra]

Tough for someone to vote properly on the VGA's (Jeff is a reviewer) if he doesn't even play all of the games.

Very few people would play every single one of them even if they had plenty of time so I don't really see that as being a issue.

Granted I agree that the timing is weird and puts things awkwardly for the voters but frankly even if they had been out not much of a difference between them and the person who plays Batman AC and loves it yet has no desire to play LoZ.

They vote for Batman AC. Unless you would make the arguement that they shouldn't be able to vote then almost know one in the press could vote.

VGA's have credibility?



He said he actually preferred the Wii controls in the GC review.

The score difference was based on what was expected of the platform's capabilities.

Which was bullshit though, I mean common. Jeff was clearly not enjoying the Wii controls and that is fine when he docked them for it, it becomes an issue when he suddenly went back on the statement and then rates the game that plays and looks worse higher and uses the power between Wii and Cube as the excuse to do it.

As said, I don't think anyone should give Jeff shit for any score, fuck a 1.0 I would have bene cool with but the handling of it was terrible.

 

[Nintaiyo]

I believe he did and gave it an 8.9. I'd be interested in what he has to say about the game but at the same time watching that GIF of him playing Wii Sports kinda makes me not want to since he doesn't seem to enjoy motion control whether well implemented or not.

This .gif? People need to stop bringing this up. It was not Wii Sports. It was Super Monkey Ball Banana Blitz. And they were playing it correctly. The guy in the middle is from Sega, and was at Gamespot giving a demo.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Sunshine and Majora's Mask had to rely on gimmicks to set themselves apart from the other games in the franchise.

Woah woah woah, say what you will about the water nozzle, but sunshine has some of the best vertical platforming in any 3d platformer.

And I have no idea why you think Majora's Mask relied upon a gimmick. Only someone who played very little of MM would think the time mechanic was a gimmick.

 

[Vire]

As opposed to the toon-shading and the shading of Wind Waker? Sheesh.

Majora's Mask had less cruft than the other 3d Zeldas to date. It also had one of the more unique quest structures of any Zelda game.

The masses aren't always right.

An art style is a gimmick? What the fuck?

 

[EmCeeGramr]

An art style is more of a gimmick than a central game play mechanic, and I loved WW's art style.

 

[Nintaiyo]

Tough for someone to vote properly on the VGA's (Jeff is a reviewer) if he doesn't even play all of the games.

It's incredibly unreasonable to expect everybody to play every good/great game, especially ones that are released so late in the year.

 

[GaimeGuy]

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j281/aaron6581230/lol.gif
This .gif?
People need to stop bringing this up. It was not Wii Sports. It was Super Monkey Ball Banana Blitz. And they were playing it correctly. The guy in the middle is from Sega, and was at Gamespot giving a demo.

You clearly don't remember the livestream of gamespot employees playing the wii and several launch titles about a week or two before the street date. it was terrible, with pretty much everyone not knowing what they were doing and failing miserably. I remember most of them stayign seated while playing wii bowling, and getting gutter ball after gutter ball. I've never seen less enthusiasm in a gaming session, lol.

 

[wrowa]

Sunshine and Majora's Mask had to rely on gimmicks to set themselves apart from the other games in the franchise.

You've got to be trolling.

 

[ASIS]

You've got to be trolling.

Gimmicks are not a bad thing. They can be substantial as well.

 

[Lord_Byron28]

You clearly don't remember the livestream of gamespot employees playing the wii and several launch titles about a week or two before the street date. it was terrible, with pretty much everyone not knowing what they were doing and failing miserably. I remember most of them stayign seated while playing wii bowling, and getting gutter ball after gutter ball. I've never seen less enthusiasm in a gaming session, lol.

Yes this is what I'm talking about.

 

[Nintaiyo]

You clearly don't remember the livestream of gamespot employees playing the wii and several launch titles about a week or two before the street date. it was terrible, with pretty much everyone not knowing what they were doing and failing miserably. I remember most of them stayign seated while playing wii bowling, and getting gutter ball after gutter ball. I've never seen less enthusiasm in a gaming session, lol.

No, I remember it. It wasn't that bad. Made far worse by the incessant bitching on the Internet. But wait, are you claiming that Jeff doesn't like motion controls, or is incapable of understanding/enjoying them? In that case, you're totally right.

 

[Anth0ny]

Yep. MM is my least favorite in the series. Even out of the 2D ones as well.

I think it's the bastard red headed step child. It's so inessential I completely forgot about it.

I raged.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

I raged.

You like Sonic 06 more than Colors, you're hardly in the position to throw stones.

 

[Boney]

I don't even like MM that much, but saying the central mechanic that shapes the game design, story, pacing, abilities and game world a gimmick is just insane.

Hey guys healing is a gimmick

 

[Anth0ny]

You like Sonic 06 more than Colors, you're hardly in the position to throw stones.

Hey

I like Sonic 06 more than Colors so far

 

[Hot Coldman]

I'll rage on his behalf, because MM is the shit.

Andrex, go into the OT and cast your vote NOW

 

[shadyspace]

For Timedog.

 

[Riposte]

Jeff does give the impression he hates his life, which is probably why he is so funny. That's how comedians roll.

 

[RPGCrazied]

That would be sweet if this gets game of the year, has a Zelda game ever got that?

 

[shadyspace]

That would be sweet if this gets game of the year, has a Zelda game ever got that?

lol what?

 

[Boney]

That would be sweet if this gets game of the year, has a Zelda game ever got that?

on gaf?

 

[DeathbyVolcano]

You're probably one of the few people who would consider his writing "absolutely atrocious." And if you really feel that way, you must find games journalism on the whole insufferable.

Of course I do. It doesn't exactly take great writing to cut it as a games "journalist." Jeff is one of the worst.

 

[shadyspace]

He barely writes these days, anyway.

 

[RPGCrazied]

on gaf?

Any place?

 

[shadyspace]

Any place?

Yes. Many places, in fact.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Of course I do. It doesn't exactly take great writing to cut it as a games "journalist." Jeff is one of the worst.

Oh come off it, he's a fine writer.

 

[wrowa]

Any place?

Ocarina of Time is just commonly being referred to as the "greates game of all time", lol. It's one of the most critically acclaimed video game series, under which rock are you living?

 

[smilebig1337]

I've read through the last couple pages on this thread, and I must say that it has been pretty humorous. Logic and reason seem to have broken down for some people because a few individuals don't agree with them about something they like, and others have resorted to inferring that they have the power of telepathy when discussing what reviewers were thinking when they wrote "x, y, and z" about a particular game, even if the statements are very ambiguous in nature.

Personally I didn't like Majora's Mask because I felt less attached to it than I did to OoT. I didn't feel like the quest was as epic, and there was little meaningful history tied to Majora's Mask itself, unlike the way it was in OoT and the Triforce. I also didn't see much of a point behind each dungeon in Majora's Mask, unlike OoT where your task was to awaken the sages that guarded each Temple. I guess the concept of wayward masks that are trying to destroy the planet just didn't appeal to me.

As for Sunshine, it was a fun little game, but that's all that it really was to me. I couldn't help but feel like a glorified janitor while playing, and that was a pretty big drawback for me. Once I beat it I had no desire to pick it up again, unlike its predecessor, Mario 64.

Now, these are my opinions. I do not claim that they are facts, or that Majora's Mask and Sunshine are undeniably the worst titles in either franchise. I'm simply saying that they weren't for me, and that I enjoyed other titles that each franchise had to offer much more. If we could all remember that everyone has their own opinions, and that it's okay to have a different opinion, then that would be amazing...

 

[Yoshichan]

That would be sweet if this gets game of the year, has a Zelda game ever got that?

Haha, what the heck xD?

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Personally I didn't like Majora's Mask because I felt less attached to it than I did to OoT. I didn't feel like the quest was as epic, and there was little meaningful history tied to Majora's Mask itself, unlike the way it was in OoT and the Triforce. I also didn't see much of a point behind each dungeon in Majora's Mask, unlike OoT where your task was to awaken the sages that guarded each Temple. I guess the concept of wayward masks that are trying to destroy the planet just didn't appeal to me.

Eh, alright. I thought freeing each giant so the goddamn moon you see throughout the entire game would stop is a pretty big and meaningful motivator but whatever.

 

[RPGCrazied]

Other than OoT. Ugh.

Nevermind.

 

[shadyspace]

Wind Waker at Gamespot, off the top of my head.

 

[Crumpet Trumpet]

Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, Majora's Mask, etc.

The Nintendo victim complex is getting a tinny bit tiring.

 

[Corky]

Yoshi! I've got it!

We...can play.... ZELDA!

*Fanfare*
*trumpets*
*confetti*

 

[Kjellson]

Do we have any other official dates for reviews except IGN and Gametrailers? (both of them goes up the 11th btw)

 

[shadyspace]

Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, Majora's Mask, etc.

The Nintendo victim complex is getting a tinny bit tiring.

Nobody gave MM GOTY.

 

[Crumpet Trumpet]

Nobody gave MM GOTY.

IGN....maybe.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

I'll rage on his behalf, because MM is the shit.

Andrex, go into the OT and cast your vote NOW

Cast my vote what?

 

[Anth0ny]

Nobody gave MM GOTY.

Nintendo Power.

I remember raging that it won over Banjo Tooie.

Then I played it and my life was changed forever.

In 2000, EGM gave it to THPS2. Gamespot gave it to Chrono Cross. Deus Ex and Diablo II also won from random sources. No Majora's Mask to be found =(

 

[wrowa]

Nobody gave MM GOTY.

Majora's Mask is a masterpiece, a game so well regarded that it earned our Game of the Year award in 2000.

 

[RagnarokX]

No, I remember it. It wasn't that bad. Made far worse by the incessant bitching on the Internet. But wait, are you claiming that Jeff doesn't like motion controls, or is incapable of understanding/enjoying them? In that case, you're totally right.

It was pretty bad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfBrPCWb9pg
"And people really just keep yelling at us to stand up and it's like 'No.'" ::laughs::

But none of those guys seemed terribly interested that day. The best one I remember was one of them playing Wii Sports Golf while sitting and saying "This doesn't feel like real golf."

Regardless of his past, Jeff doesn't seem like a good person to review this game. He seems terribly uninterested in it based on messages he's posted.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Cast my vote what?

Go into the OT, click on the poll thread, and vote blame space.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=450135