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[LifEndz]

And still he's got like a handfull of good songs. That's why. He's boring and overrated.

So boring, overrated and a "handful of good songs" makes him a pussy?

 

[Lulubop]

And still he's got like a handfull of good songs. That's why. He's boring and overrated.

the fuck you on bro?

 

[Jest Chillin]

Stop.

Not everyone who doesn't ride for Kendrick here is a Drake stan; I don't even like Drake's music in general. Kendrick makes good music but he's hardly this all-star lyricist. There are a lot better out there on a technical level.

I know that not singing Kendrick's praises at every opportunity is something rarely seen in the echo chambers that these topics can be tho, so w/e

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hope you're taking notes on this bruh

There's a huge difference between saying, "There are a lot of rappers that are more technical lyricists than Kendrick" and saying, "I think the Tupac comparison for Kendrick is most potent when you compare their lyrics. From a technical standpoint, neither are great lyricists at all."

Tupac was never about being a lyricist but instead focused on painting pictures with his words and making the listener feel through his passionate delivery.

Kendrick is a lyricist. He doesn't just punchline and he doesn't just focus on multi's but he mixes those things together along with his ability to craft a story and make a listenable song. He's far more lyrical than Tupac ever was, and is quite a bit more lyrical than his public eye contemporaries.

 

[bobbychalkers]

And in this hypothetical Kendrick-Drake beef, the entire West would ride with Kendrick, because that's just how they do. They rally around their own (unlike how Philly abandoned Meek)

TDE/Nip/Dom/YG/Game/the OGs would all come out and support KDot.

not really...It pretty much would be TDE vs OVO at the most. Other rappers have nothing to gain from picking sides between two of the biggest rappers out right now.

 

[riotous]

Hypothetical beef debates.

This is hip-hop.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Lol no... It's not that easy. This isn't Pac vs Biggie... Or Canada vs. Westcoast. People won't just ride for you because of it... If Kendrick starts beef for a dumb reason I wouldn't expect him to get more support than Meek right now.

Most of these rappers are in the game for money and won't burn bridges unless they have to. Also Kendrick could handle the beef for himself... No need to embarrass him like having Meeks sister going at Drake.

It doesn't have to be Pac v Biggie. Rappers still get taxed to come to California by multiple gangs, brehs. You think Drake and Young Money give Game love/features/money for nothing?

If Drake instigated the beef on some bullshit there would be problems for him. Those are facts. I think the main reason he didn't say shit is because he knew Kendrick would murder him lyrically. The other is that he's not going to risk fucking with the west coast like that. Go back and listen to what Snoop and Kurupt said shortly after Control dropped.

 

[Ray Wonder]

It doesn't have to be Pac v Biggie. Rappers still get taxed to come to California by multiple gangs, brehs. You think Drake and Young Money give Game love/features/money for nothing?

If Drake instigated the beef on some bullshit there would be problems for him. Those are facts. I think the main reason he didn't say shit is because he knew Kendrick would murder him lyrically. The other is that he's not going to risk fucking with the west coast like that.

If I was from Philly this post would hurt my soul.

 

[Jest Chillin]

not really...It pretty much would be TDE vs OVO at the most. Other rappers have nothing to gain from picking sides between two of the biggest rappers out right now.

Some of the newer guys wouldn't care but Westcoast OG's would side with Kendrick for certain. That's not to say they'd be making tracks and all that but when asked about it in interviews they wouldn't hesitate to voice their support for him.

 

[Fjordson]

Hypothetical beef debates.

This is hip-hop.

 

[Lamel]

I'm loving this image.

 

[Anth0ny]

ovo fest was godlike yesterday


so many "fuck meek mill" chants throughout the night

 

[ItIsOkBro]

Will would have to completely swap up his style.

This generation of lost children wouldn't vibe with that wholesome, curseless music he made back in the day.

C'mon Switch still bumps

"It's a club girl why you arrived naked"

"I mean real clean, ain't gotta touch or nothing"

 

[Majestad]

Meek Mill be looking like that throughout this beef

Somebody smarter and more talented could actually have dealt some damage for exposing Drake's ghost-written ass, but this frog looking fuckboi dropped the ball immensely.

 

[Emperor Bohe]

Kendrick is to much of a pussy to win any beef.

And still he's got like a handfull of good songs. That's why. He's boring and overrated.

 

[vas_a_morir]

A raekwon version of summertime would be interesting to say the least

Will Smith wouldn't know what 70% of the words he was using meant. lol Raekwon always played a dangerous game with how specific his drug lingo is. Wouldn't surprise me if the FBI didn't try to question him a time or two. lol

 

[TrumanBurbank]

The whole Back 2 Back section at IVOfest lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztSxjV322Os

Thanks for posting this!

Pure ownage by Drake. Must have been incredible to be there!

 

[Dereck]

And still he's got like a handfull of good songs. That's why. He's boring and overrated.

 

[TrumanBurbank]

Looking at the comments on Meek's instagram everyone is just posting L's en masse

LOL

 

[Emperor Bohe]

Looking at the comments on Meek's instagram everyone is just posting L's en masse

LOL

looooooooool that shit's crazy

 

[Azih]

Both Kendrick and Drake are too smart to get into a beef so it's all hypothetical.

 

[soul creator]

Maybe Meek Mill should've hired Black Thought as a ghostwriter for his diss

 

[Retromelon]

You have a great avatar soul

 

[ApharmdX]

where's that deluded stan in the thread now?

DMing meek some fire probably.

I don't think a person could have won more than Drake has.

And what makes it worse, Drake is whack.

I haven't really followed this beef until very recently but wow, it's almost unthinkable that any rapper could getting crushed by Drake, of all people. Drake has only about a million things you could call him out on; he's a soft-ass pop artist in truth. Meek Mills should go home and be a family man.

But this whole thing has me thinking- what has hip-hop become, that this minstrel show, one rapper "beating" another by virtue of his legions of silly fans creating Internet memes, passes for entertainment now? Ugh.

 

[Furyous]

where's that deluded stan in the thread now?

DMing meek some fire probably.

I don't think a person could have won more than Drake has.

And what makes it worse, Drake is whack.

Meek has Stans? Can they break down the genius behind I'm a boss? Apparently, Drake's not wack enough for Meek to get rid of. This is a case of when baseless hyperbole goes wrong. Meek said Drake was Ja.

 

[birthday-suit]

I haven't really followed this beef until very recently but wow, it's almost unthinkable that any rapper could getting crushed by Drake, of all people. Drake has only about a million things you could call him out on; he's a soft-ass pop artist in truth. Meek Mills should go home and be a family man.

But this whole thing has me thinking- what has hip-hop become, that this minstrel show, one rapper "beating" another by virtue of his legions of silly fans creating Internet memes, passes for entertainment now? Ugh.

He didn't have to lose this bad.

I don't think he ever wanted to beef with Drake.

He tried to back out when he apologized in stage to Nicki, but it was too late.

Then it took too long to make the actual subpar diss.

His heart was only half in it.

What I'm more interested is why.

I don't believe he just confronted Drake because he found out he didn't write the verse on Rico after DJ Drama told him. I believe he knew for a while, and something set him off.

If this was planned, he would have had a diss waiting. Or handled the whole situation smarter.

 

[TrumanBurbank]

I haven't really followed this beef until very recently but wow, it's almost unthinkable that any rapper could getting crushed by Drake, of all people. Drake has only about a million things you could call him out on; he's a soft-ass pop artist in truth. Meek Mills should go home and be a family man.

But this whole thing has me thinking- what has hip-hop become, that this minstrel show, one rapper "beating" another by virtue of his legions of silly fans creating Internet memes, passes for entertainment now? Ugh.

He beat him by rapping. The other guy lost by rapping poorly.

I hate all this "in my time things were better" bullshit.

 

[VaLiancY]

I haven't really followed this beef until very recently but wow, it's almost unthinkable that any rapper could getting crushed by Drake, of all people. Drake has only about a million things you could call him out on; he's a soft-ass pop artist in truth. Meek Mills should go home and be a family man.

But this whole thing has me thinking- what has hip-hop become, that this minstrel show, one rapper "beating" another by virtue of his legions of silly fans creating Internet memes, passes for entertainment now? Ugh.

That Joe Budden tweet saying don't wing it when your opponent is this calculated will be part of Beef 101 for future rappers. Drake had momentum behind him with the album, his Apple Music deal and OVOFest. It's smart on his part to capitalize on all those outlets to put on a show like this.

My question is did Meek have any figure in his camp like Ross he could go to for advice or did he just say "Fuck it, I'm going to do me."

 

[DrFunk]

this'll get miles on this board

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I haven't really followed this beef until very recently but wow, it's almost unthinkable that any rapper could getting crushed by Drake, of all people. Drake has only about a million things you could call him out on; he's a soft-ass pop artist in truth. Meek Mills should go home and be a family man.

But this whole thing has me thinking- what has hip-hop become, that this minstrel show, one rapper "beating" another by virtue of his legions of silly fans creating Internet memes, passes for entertainment now? Ugh.

You act like this is something new. This stuff is just the natural evolution of Dre using an Eazy double in the Dre day video, or Jay putting up pics at Summer Jam. It's always just been a popularity contest. Who can sting the other guy harder the make the crowd feel more entertained? The only difference is that Twitter and Instagram didn't exist back then. Don't act like there was ever anything more "honorable" about rap beefs back in the day.

 

[Fjordson]

You act like this is something new. This stuff is just the natural evolution of Dre using an Eazy double in the Dre day video, or Jay putting up pics at Summer Jam. It's always just been a popularity contest. Who can sting the other guy harder the make the crowd feel more entertained? The only difference is that Twitter and Instagram didn't exist back then. Don't act like there was ever anything more "honorable" about rap beefs back in the day.

You don't remember the High Council of Hip-Hop?

I remember when they gave Ether 10's across the board. Legendary.

He beat him by rapping. The other guy lost by rapping poorly.

I hate all this "in my time things were better" bullshit.

Yeah, Back to Back was a dope song. Plain & simple. And being a clever diss wasn't enough, Drake somehow made it a hit lol (currently #2 on iTunes).

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and besides, Drake's been dope since Take Care imo, but that's a debate for another day

 

[Grover Cleveland]

I still think it's hilarious that Meek hasn't tweeted since Back to Back dropped.

Drake put that cat in a box.

Afraid to go to the club because they're playing B2B
Afraid to go on Twitter because of that "Twitter Fingers" line
Afraid to go in his own city because they're joning on him

 

[Fjordson]

I still think it's hilarious that Meek hasn't tweeted since Back to Back dropped.

Drake put that cat in a box.

Afraid to go to the club because they're playing B2B
Afraid to go on Twitter because of that "Twitter Fingers" line
Afraid to go in his own city because they're joning on him

Some guy on thecoli explained it well

I'm sad for Meek bruh, you know he wants to tweet too....

It's like if your girl told you that you play the PS4 too much, and you stop playing it to prove a point. But you really miss playing that damn PS4...

Thats how I imagine Meek feels right now

 

[LiveFromKyoto]

I haven't really followed this beef until very recently but wow, it's almost unthinkable that any rapper could getting crushed by Drake, of all people. Drake has only about a million things you could call him out on; he's a soft-ass pop artist in truth. Meek Mills should go home and be a family man.

But this whole thing has me thinking- what has hip-hop become, that this minstrel show, one rapper "beating" another by virtue of his legions of silly fans creating Internet memes, passes for entertainment now? Ugh.

Because the reality is, he's not soft? Putting himself out there emotionally like he does in the game he's in takes brass balls, it's hiding your vulnerabilities behind a tough guy facade that's easy, which is why everyone else is doing it. I honestly don't think 99% of men could handle it like he does. People have been taking shots at him daily since he started, and it never slows him down or gets to him. There's so much front runner shit that's fake about him, but I still can't help but respect that.

 

[pottymouth]

And still he's got like a handfull of good songs. That's why. He's boring and overrated.

Wow. Just. Wow. Kendrick is by far the best rapper in he game right now and it's not even close.

 

[Red_Man]

Kendrick is to much of a pussy to win any beef.

And still he's got like a handfull of good songs. That's why. He's boring and overrated.

Seriously the dumbest thing I've read on the internet in some time. If you're not trolling, I feel sorry for you.

 

[birthday-suit]

That Joe Budden tweet saying don't wing it when your opponent is this calculated will be part of Beef 101 for future rappers. Drake had momentum behind him with the album, his Apple Music deal and OVOFest. It's smart on his part to capitalize on all those outlets to put on a show like this.

My question is did Meek have any figure in his camp like Ross he could go to for advice or did he just say "Fuck it, I'm going to do me."

He need to call Nas and Jay Z right now. Like how do I recover?

 

[HighResTomato]

It's so cute when Drake tries to pretend he's from the streets. Nobody fears you Aubrey.

 

[Red_Man]

It's so cute when Drake tries to pretend he's from the streets. Nobody fears you Aubrey.

RIP Meek Mill. Your shouting will not be missed.

 

[Fjordson]

It's so cute when Drake tries to pretend he's from the streets. Nobody fears you Aubrey.

 

[HighResTomato]

RIP Meek Mill. Your shouting will not be missed.

So sweet.

 

[birthday-suit]

It's so cute when Drake tries to pretend he's from the streets. Nobody fears you Aubrey.

The eye squint looks like a parody. lol!

 

[Jest Chillin]

You act like this is something new. This stuff is just the natural evolution of Dre using an Eazy double in the Dre day video, or Jay putting up pics at Summer Jam. It's always just been a popularity contest. Who can sting the other guy harder the make the crowd feel more entertained? The only difference is that Twitter and Instagram didn't exist back then. Don't act like there was ever anything more "honorable" about rap beefs back in the day.

Nah. In the past when the beefs were fresh, each artists fans rode for them but the winner was usually determined by neutral parties that were swayed by the tracks.

Social media has made that impossible now because of the desire for everyone to jump on the new thing asap. All these business twitters jumping on Meek jokes is a perfect example. Meek took an L on this, sure, but people and businesses trying to get their own 2 minutes of shine with jokes make it seem worse than what it is.

So where as before, your fanbase could be devoted as hell but you'd still win or lose on the basis of the tracks... Now you could "win" simply by having your fanbase drown out the opposing fan base in social media.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Nah. In the past when the beefs were fresh, each artists fans rode for them but the winner was usually determined by neutral parties that were swayed by the tracks.

Social media has made that impossible now because of the desire for everyone to jump on the new thing asap. All these business twitters jumping on Meek jokes is a perfect example. Meek took an L on this, sure, but people and businesses trying to get their own 2 minutes of shine with jokes make it seem worse than what it is.

So where as before, your fanbase could be devoted as hell but you'd still win or lose on the basis of the tracks... Now you could "win" simply by having your fanbase drown out the opposing fan base in social media.

I don't see a difference. Drake put out a (to most people) superior track, so he won. All these corporations and tweets are just riding the wave not determining the outcome. People didn't need Whattaburger to tell them Meek's track was garbage. Yeah social media is definitely broadening the impact of this beef, but it's 2015 that's the case with everything. I think people just seem in denial that a "soft singer" like Drake is getting one over on a more traditional "street" rapper and have to come up with all these quasi conspiracies or nostalgia filled rants about the state of hip hop. It's not that serious, and it never really was. The only time it was dudes ended up dead so let's not yearn for those good old days.

I don't see how this is an example of your last paragraph considering, by most people's estimations, Drake put out a better track. You are just projecting. Maybe Drake's fanbase really wouldn't let him "lose" a rap beef, but this isn't proof of that. He won by putting out the better record.

 

[birthday-suit]

Nah. In the past when the beefs were fresh, each artists fans rode for them but the winner was usually determined by neutral parties that were swayed by the tracks.

Social media has made that impossible now because of the desire for everyone to jump on the new thing asap. All these business twitters jumping on Meek jokes is a perfect example. Meek took an L on this, sure, but people and businesses trying to get their own 2 minutes of shine with jokes make it seem worse than what it is.

So where as before, your fanbase could be devoted as hell but you'd still win or lose on the basis of the tracks... Now you could "win" simply by having your fanbase drown out the opposing fan base in social media.

I agree. I wonder if some of those people even knew who Meek Mill was.

Or were they like some GAFers, "He's not even mainstream!"

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I agree. I wonder if some of those people even knew who Meek Mill was.

Or were they like some GAFers, "He's not even mainstream!"

Sounds to me like they'd be pretty objective then if Meek put out a worthwhile response. But he didn't. Let's not act like Drake is universally beloved either, on GAF or anywhere. Dude has had memes devoted to clowning on him in the past too. This idea that everyone is just #teamDrake and Meek never stood a chance is delusion.

 

[Jest Chillin]

I don't see a difference. Drake put out a (to most people) superior track, so he won. All these corporations and tweets are just riding the wave not determining the outcome. People didn't need Whattaburger to tell them Meek's track was garbage. Yeah social media is definitely broadening the impact of this beef, but it's 2015 that's the case with everything. I think people just seem in denial that a "soft singer" like Drake is getting one over on a more traditional "street" rapper and have to come up with all these quasi conspiracies or nostalgia filled rants about the state of hip hop. It's not that serious, and it never really was. The only time it was dudes ended up dead so let's not yearn for those good old days.

I don't see how this is an example of your last paragraph considering, by most people's estimations, Drake put out a better track. You are just projecting. Maybe Drake's fanbase really wouldn't let him "lose" a rap beef, but this isn't proof of that. He won by putting out the better record.

I'm speaking to the level of "loss" this is to Meek. If this same battle happens say.. 13 years ago.. Meek still loses, sure, but it wouldn't look like this massive loss where people in here are speculating that Meek's career could be finished or his girl might up and leave him over battle tracks. That's the thing. Social media is making this look worse than Nas and Jay and THAT battle resulted in "Ether" actually joining the hip hop lexicon.

So what I'm saying is, if social media can make a fairly close battle, when viewed purely from a track v. track basis, look like a complete slaughter... it's surely capable of making a loss look like a win.

Sounds to me like they'd be pretty objective then if Meek put out a worthwhile response. But he didn't. Let's not act like Drake is universally beloved either, on GAF or anywhere. Dude has had memes devoted to clowning on him in the past too. This idea that everyone is just #teamDrake and Meek never stood a chance is delusion.

Nah man. If you go back to the thread after Drake's first light diss, people were already talking that up like it was amazing... then Back to Back dropped and there was a decent contingent already talking as if it was a done deal. Meek had an uphill battle before I Wanna Know dropped and the fact that he fumbled just gave that contingent a more secure footing to shout from the rafters.

 

[TrumanBurbank]

This stuff is so sad man.
https://instagram.com/p/5-hQe7ikPB/?taken-by=meekmill

I really feel like Nicki Minaj has told him to keep quiet and put a muzzle on him. She probably promised him marriage or something lol. It's the only thing that makes sense in my head. The dude can rap!

But he refuses to

 

[Azih]

if social media can make a fairly close battle, when viewed purely from a track v. track basis, look like a complete slaughter...

But it wasn't a close battle. Meek started the fight for an apparently petty reason over social media. Drake responded with bars and everybody responded appropriately.

Neutrals went to Drake's side.

Drake haters like Charlemagne went to Drake's side.

Meek fans had emotional breakdowns on YouTube after Wanna Know.

It wasn't close.

 

[abuC]

I don't know whether Drake would pay Kendrick to stop, or if this Meek beef made him too big for his britches and gave him enough balls to step to Kendrick. I would love to see what would happen if they beefed. Shit's fun to watch.

This would be better if Meek didn't fumble his response so badly, it was mostly skits and interviews.

Kendrick is to much of a pussy to win any beef.

Yet he threw a shot at everyone on "Control" and nobody responded, then had a subliminal for Drake on the BET cypher and still no response.

 

[soundahfekz]

This stuff is so sad man.
https://instagram.com/p/5-hQe7ikPB/?taken-by=meekmill

I really feel like Nicki Minaj has told him to keep quiet and put a muzzle on him. She probably promised him marriage or something lol. It's the only thing that makes sense in my head. The dude can rap!

But he refuses to

I'm thinkin ross put a muzzle on him or something man, based on that drake >>>> mill tweet, cause its weird as hell he's ignoring it all while still posting about other shit