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[CrashSimonFaye]

Drake looks like a Whiskey Sour.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I'm speaking to the level of "loss" this is to Meek. If this same battle happens say.. 13 years ago.. Meek still loses, sure, but it wouldn't look like this massive loss where people in here are speculating that Meek's career could be finished or his girl might up and leave him over battle tracks. That's the thing. Social media is making this look worse than Nas and Jay and THAT battle resulted in "Ether" actually joining the hip hop lexicon.

So what I'm saying is, if social media can make a fairly close battle, when viewed purely from a track v. track basis, look like a complete slaughter... it's surely capable of making a loss look like a win.


.

That's the nature of the media and celebrity culture now though. 13 years ago anything a celebrity or musician does isn't magnified to the level it is now thanks to social media.n That's not exclusive or inherent to battle raps.

 

[Dug]

Beef update from KTT:

Meek taking shots at Drake during concert

Said he would give Drake a wedgie

 

[TrumanBurbank]

Beef update from KTT:

Meek taking shots at Drake during concert

Said he would give Drake a wedgie

He's just embarrassing himself more. Just keeps digging himself deeper...

 

[abuC]

He's just embarrassing himself more. Just keeps digging himself deeper...

The first link sounds like a couple of lines from a diss track though.

 

[Discotheque]

"Tyga don't fuck with you"

This is meek mill's diss? Holy shit he lost painfully lol. Meanwhile drake laughing at him with gawds like Yeezy and the Fresh Prince

 

[Dug]

@MeekMill just debuted his new @Drake diss in Charlotte at the @NICKIMINAJ concert. It was worse than the first one.

Meek Mill has apparently responded to Drake's salvo of disses at OVO Fest fest last night, with a freestyle of his own in Philadelphia tonight. In what seems like the follow up to "Wanna Know," Meek rapped a new verse on stage, including some pretty clear threats towards OVO, saying that they are all going to catch "bullet holes."

 

[oc]

"Tyga don't fuck with you"

This is meek mill's diss? Holy shit he lost painfully lol. Meanwhile drake laughing at him with gawds like Yeezy and the Fresh Prince

What were the other names tho? Can't really tell.

Wayne?


_____?


Tyga

 

[Jest Chillin]

But it wasn't a close battle. Meek started the fight for an apparently petty reason over social media. Drake responded with bars and everybody responded appropriately.

Neutrals went to Drake's side.

Drake haters like Charlemagne went to Drake's side.

Meek fans had emotional breakdowns on YouTube after Wanna Know.

It wasn't close.

The reason it started was because Meek found out that Drake didn't write the verse for RICO, which isn't petty considering the vast majority of the time that people give a guest verse to someone else who isn't in the same camp/label they get paid for it. The amount they get paid, depends on the artist and how big they are. So paying Drake for a verse.. only to find out it was actually written by a dude who Drake pays 5k a month to... that's a pretty big deal. That's like buying a Mercedes only to find out it's got a Honda engine in it. You'd be pretty pissed off.

Anyhow looking at the actual tracks.. Drakes first track was weak. His second was solid. Meeks track was better than Drakes first but worse than his second and the actual quality of the disses in Meeks track weren't bad. His delivery hampers the content though. In any case, it's not a landslide by any means just going by the tracks.

That's the nature of the media and celebrity culture now though. 13 years ago anything a celebrity or musician does isn't magnified to the level it is now thanks to social media. That's not exclusive or inherent to battle raps.

The bold is what I'm saying. Social media has effectively changed the way things are judged now and in a major way and it extends to everything. And 13 years ago, only the biggest, most newsworthy things would get blown up. Now, the smallest thing can become newsworthy IF social media picks it up and runs with it. It's completely flipped.

 

[Red_Man]

Beef update from KTT:

Meek taking shots at Drake during concert

Said he would give Drake a wedgie

@MeekMill just debuted his new @Drake diss in Charlotte at the @NICKIMINAJ concert. It was worse than the first one.

Meek Mill has apparently responded to Drake's salvo of disses at OVO Fest fest last night, with a freestyle of his own in Philadelphia tonight. In what seems like the follow up to "Wanna Know," Meek rapped a new verse on stage, including some pretty clear threats towards OVO, saying that they are all going to catch "bullet holes."

 

[Dynomutt]

If anyone know's someone in Meek's camp please get this link to him just in case:

http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/filing_instructions/20595

Spoiler

Meek will be fine.

 

[Red_Man]

Seems like Drake has his final shot diss ready to go, so hopefully Meek putting out this garbage will get Drake to go for the final blow and just end this.

 

[bobbychalkers]

Beef update from KTT:

Meek taking shots at Drake during concert

Said he would give Drake a wedgie

Oh shit....Tyga don't fuck with Drizzy! How will he ever come back from that?!?!
I'm hoping this will activate the two-man nuclear keys and 3peat drops tonight.

 

[Dynomutt]

@MeekMill just debuted his new @Drake diss in Charlotte at the @NICKIMINAJ concert. It was worse than the first one.

Meek Mill has apparently responded to Drake's salvo of disses at OVO Fest fest last night, with a freestyle of his own in Philadelphia tonight. In what seems like the follow up to "Wanna Know," Meek rapped a new verse on stage, including some pretty clear threats towards OVO, saying that they are all going to catch "bullet holes."

Right now Drake must be like...

You're mad cause my style you're admiring,
Don't be mad...UPS is hiring.

https://ups.managehr.com/screening/hourly/apply.aspx?l=PAPHA&p=1&src=P2216&ref=77703945

We all need a little helps some times Meek.

 

[Dug]

Here's the wedgie video.

 

[Represent.]

What were the other names tho? Can't really tell.

Wayne?


_____?


Tyga

Stunna (Birdman)

 

[oc]

Stunna (Birdman)

he listed 3 people. wayne, birdman and tyga.

wayne: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA634dMZCO8

birdman: pedophile

tyga: walking L

meek stay losing

 

[Red_Man]

Drake just did a hometown show with Future, Kanye West, Travis Scott, Pharell and had the likes of Will Smith, Kevin Durant and others in attendance.

So Meek comes back with Tyga, Wayne and Birdman?

Not enough

In the world. Dude is digging his own grave.

 

[abstract alien]

Do Wayne and Drake have issues?

 

[Nabs]

Do Wayne and Drake have issues?

I don't know their personal situation, but he was sure enjoying himself the other night https://instagram.com/p/536q8AN6Cq/

 

[Discotheque]

I don't know their personal situation, but he was sure enjoying himself the other night https://instagram.com/p/536q8AN6Cq/

Haha wow

Meek Mill took the biggest L in hip hop since ja tbh. If/when nicki leaves it's over unless he makes peace

 

[Acorn]

Haha wow

Meek Mill took the biggest L in hip hop since ja tbh. If/when nicki leaves it's over unless he makes peace

There's no coming back even if he makes peace. Nobody can survive being portrayed as a loser this much.

 

[Furyous]

Do Wayne and Drake have issues?

Yes, they had beef behind the scenes. Wayne was going to kick Drake off Young Money before his career popped because Drake kept stealing his women.

 

[jstripes]

@MeekMill just debuted his new @Drake diss in Charlotte at the @NICKIMINAJ concert. It was worse than the first one.

Meek Mill has apparently responded to Drake's salvo of disses at OVO Fest fest last night, with a freestyle of his own in Philadelphia tonight. In what seems like the follow up to "Wanna Know," Meek rapped a new verse on stage, including some pretty clear threats towards OVO, saying that they are all going to catch "bullet holes."

Toronto Police, and all their contacts, investigating right now.

(Fucking shit at Musik last night.)

 

[ChanMan]

Hip Hop today is a joke.

 

[FloatingDivider]

Why is meek even referencing who he roll with. Drake obviously has him beat there. Again there was one chance for Meek to win this shit and it wasn't on twitter, and it wasn't based on who he rolled with, it was on wax and he didn't put shit down on wax. I've had earwax with doper rhymes than what he put out. He should just shut up at this point.

 

[Lebron]

Meek ain't posted on twitter in almost a week. Drake got that fool scared to use them twitter fingers.

 

[ReiGun]

Beef update from KTT:

Meek taking shots at Drake during concert

Said he would give Drake a wedgie

This is grown man threatening to give people wedgies. Wtf?

"Tyga don't fuck with you." Like, when has anybody evvvvver given a fuck what Tyga thinks about them...or anything really?

Meek stahp

 

[LiveFromKyoto]

Hip Hop today is a joke.

Not like the glory days, when MC Hammer and Heavy D got the most shine.

 

[riotous]

Seems like he brought up Tyga (and Wayne/Birdman) and then said something about the people Drake came up with don't like him (all Cash Money label mates.)

 

[FStop7]

@MeekMill just debuted his new @Drake diss in Charlotte at the @NICKIMINAJ concert. It was worse than the first one.

Meek Mill has apparently responded to Drake's salvo of disses at OVO Fest fest last night, with a freestyle of his own in Philadelphia tonight. In what seems like the follow up to "Wanna Know," Meek rapped a new verse on stage, including some pretty clear threats towards OVO, saying that they are all going to catch "bullet holes."

That's really all Meek has left, is violence. And if he resorts to that then he really is finished because nobody wants another Sept 96 / March 97.

 

[Azih]

The reason it started was because Meek found out that Drake didn't write the verse for RICO.

The reason it started was a tweet from Meek attacking Drake for not retweeting Meek's album and not writing his own raps. Which thing stuck in his craw more doesn't really matter. The fact that he 1. Started the beef and
2. Started it on TWITTER

Put the onus on HIM to be prepared to finish what HE started especially since it was in such an incredibly lame manner.

Drake hit twice with actual songs making it necessary for Meek to spit some really hot fire and he completely and utterly failed.

Yes. Social media has made this a completely different fight than before. But it's Meek's actions that have given him the Ls. They were all so incredibly dumb.

 

[Crud]

Meek is just a dumb person period. You look at his face. He look stupid.

 

[Lebron]

Wedgies? Tyga? "X don't fuck with ya"

This fool throwing a damn tantrum on stage. Back 2 back must have burned his soul. Nikki's "there there" game must have been putting in overtime.

 

[Jest Chillin]

The reason it started was a tweet from Meek attacking Drake for not retweeting Meek's album and not writing his own raps. Which thing stuck in his craw more doesn't really matter. The fact that he 1. Started the beef and
2. Started it on TWITTER

Put the onus on HIM to be prepared to finish what HE started especially since it was in such an incredibly lame manner.

Drake hit twice with actual songs making it necessary for Meek to spit some really hot fire and he completely and utterly failed.

Yes. Social media has made this a completely different fight than before. But it's Meek's actions that have given him the Ls. They were all so incredibly dumb.

The idea that he attacked Drake for not retweeting his album is a leap of logic. He mentioned that it wasn't retweeted but the attack itself was because Drake didn't write the verse of RICO and apparently people were comparing him to Drake. He went on to rant about not comparing him to Kendrick or J Cole either. Was he mad they didn't retweet him too?

The rest of your post has nothing to do with what I was talking about, which was comparing the tracks directly, without all the other fanfare and drama.

 

[ApharmdX]

You act like this is something new. This stuff is just the natural evolution of Dre using an Eazy double in the Dre day video, or Jay putting up pics at Summer Jam. It's always just been a popularity contest. Who can sting the other guy harder the make the crowd feel more entertained? The only difference is that Twitter and Instagram didn't exist back then. Don't act like there was ever anything more "honorable" about rap beefs back in the day.

You have a good point- there was some petty shit then too. And hey, this is pretty fun so far. No one has been shot, so that's something, am I right?

Because the reality is, he's not soft? Putting himself out there emotionally like he does in the game he's in takes brass balls, it's hiding your vulnerabilities behind a tough guy facade that's easy, which is why everyone else is doing it. I honestly don't think 99% of men could handle it like he does. People have been taking shots at him daily since he started, and it never slows him down or gets to him. There's so much front runner shit that's fake about him, but I still can't help but respect that.

LOL what were you thinking writing this? Guy is literally fake through and through. I can't respect fake. Be what you are. He did go into this a lot more prepared, though. So I give him acknowledgement for that.

 

[ChanMan]

Not like the glory days, when MC Hammer and Heavy D got the most shine.

I don't see any rappers today even dare to try and put on performances that MC Hammer use to back in day. I know he is seen as a joke to some Old school Hip Hop heads in the early 90's but he put in work on the stage, so did Heavy D.

 

[Azih]

The idea that he attacked Drake for not retweeting his album is a leap of logic. He mentioned that it wasn't retweeted but the attack itself was because Drake didn't write the verse of RICO and apparently people were comparing him to Drake. He went on to rant about not comparing him to Kendrick or J Cole either. Was he mad they didn't retweet him too?

The rest of your post has nothing to do with what I was talking about, which was comparing the tracks directly, without all the other fanfare and drama.

Fanfare and drama are the context of the beef and cannot be ignored. IF Meek hadn't started the fight then the whole situation would be different. IF Meek hadn't been a social media warrior then the situation would be different. IF he hadn't brought up Drake not retweeting then it wouldn't be an issue. But his dumb ass did. And here we are.

Also Wanna Know is a really bad tune and fails as a song.

 

[Hip Hop]

Hip Hop today is a joke.

 

[Jest Chillin]

Fanfare and drama are the context of the beef and cannot be ignored. IF Meek hadn't started the fight then the whole situation would be different. IF Meek hadn't been a social media warrior then the situation would be different. IF he hadn't brought up Drake not retweeting then it wouldn't be an issue. But his dumb ass did. And here we are.

Also Wanna Know is a really bad tune and fails as a song.

When the discussion that I was having was about the difference between how this whole thing would have played out Pre-Social Media vs. how it actually played out, then yes, I can ignore the context of the social media as that difference is literally the crux of my point.

 

[Azih]

When the discussion that I was having was about the difference between how this whole thing would have played out Pre-Social Media vs. how it actually played out, then yes, I can ignore the context of the social media as that difference is literally the crux of my point.

If it wasn't for social media this whole thing would not have happened. So you can ignore it if you wish but it's an artificially stunted conversation. If you just want to do a track by track review then Wanna Know fails as music whereas neither Charged Up or Back to Back do. Also for some inexplicable reason Meek spends half his time on Charged Up going after freaking Safaree. Also you can take into account that Meek promised to drop the track on Monday and failed to do so right? That's not a social media L but a L in general.

 

[Acorn]

That's really all Meek has left, is violence. And if he resorts to that then he really is finished because nobody wants another Sept 96 / March 97.

We'll never have another Biggie and Pac situation. Breaks my heart that it took losing a Rap Icon and Rap genius to get us to staying on wax like nas/jigga.

 

[Jest Chillin]

If it wasn't for social media this whole thing would not have happened. So you can ignore it if you wish but it's an artificially stunted conversation. If you just want to do a track by track review then Wanna Know fails as music whereas neither Charged Up or Back to Back do. Also for some inexplicable reason Meek spends half his time on Charged Up going after freaking Safaree. Also you can take into account that Meek promised to drop the track on Monday and failed to do so right? That's not a social media L but a L in general.

If there was no social media, then Meek's claim and the reference tracks may have all ended up dropping at once, changing the landscape of how everything happened. But that's not at all the point of what I was saying.

The topic being discussed was how battles perception have been changed by social media. No matter how badly you want to remove the context from my previous post, it doesn't work. Primarily because you keep trying to frame it as me saying Meek didn't lose or some oddball shit like that when I stated in every single post that he did lose and his losing has very little bearing on what my point was.

So just stop trying to make this the debate you want it to be rather than the debate that it actually was.

 

[cw_sasuke]

I don't know their personal situation, but he was sure enjoying himself the other night https://instagram.com/p/536q8AN6Cq/

Lol Meek is so pathetic.... Claiming that Wayne isn't fucking with Drake when he just vibed on Back 2 Back with him.

Meek is a walking L at this point. How can someone be so stupid.

Also why is he spitting that shit on Nickis tour? There are likely more Drake than Meek fans there anyway. Weird that Nicki is letting her wife embarrassed herself like this. Just don't think that's what the audience signed up for.

 

[Ke0]

He probably got Drake/Wayne confused with Birdman/Wayne.

 

[Byakuya769]

Hip Hop today is a joke.

 

[Red_Man]

 

[cw_sasuke]

He probably got Drake/Wayne confused with Birdman/Wayne.

I think he is quite confused right now anyway... Trying to drag other people into this this situation like that TI story. Dude might be burning bridges if he continues like that. He's alone on this beef, not even MMG support him.

 

[Crimson_Gold]

I think he is quite confused right now anyway... Trying to drag other people into this this situation like that TI story. Dude might be burning bridges if he continues like that. He's alone on this beef, not even MMG support him.

He should visit Gucci. He needs to unleash the beast on this. A Gucci verse recorded via cell phone would make everything that much better.

You're welcome Meek

 

[Azih]

If there was no social media, then Meek's claim and the reference tracks may have all ended up dropping at once, changing the landscape of how everything happened. But that's not at all the point of what I was saying.

The topic being discussed was how battles perception have been changed by social media. No matter how badly you want to remove the context from my previous post, it doesn't work. Primarily because you keep trying to frame it as me saying Meek didn't lose or some oddball shit like that when I stated in every single post that he did lose and his losing has very little bearing on what my point was.

So just stop trying to make this the debate you want it to be rather than the debate that it actually was.

Social Media has nothing to do with

1. Meek starting the beef while turning out to be completely unprepared for it.
2. Meek starting the beef when Drake is
A) More popular than him/Better Connected than him.
B) Has helped him out in the past (Free Meek Mill, call outs, feature)
C) Was a big part of one of the best track of Meek's own album (ghost written or not. Shit why would you bring it up and diminish RICO? Dumbass.)
3. Meek starting beef when Drake is a LABEL MATE of Meek's MORE SUCCESSFUL GIRLFRIEND WHO MEEK IS OPENING FOR ON HER CURRENT TOUR
4. Starting the beef and then apologizing to Nikki for it combined with a lame call out/backhanded praise to Drake
5. Getting hit by an actual track
6. Promising a response on Monday but bailing for no given reason.
7. Getting hit by ANOTHER track, which by all neutral and even anti Drake/pro-Meek accounts is the best diss track of the whole beef. And is a banger that can and does and will get played at clubs.
8. Finally coming out with, what everyone agrees, is a sub par effort.
9. Additionally starting the beef right before coming to Drake's hometown where Meek, of course, got booed
10. Starting the beef a week before Drake's own event which has become a highlight of the year and where Drake has full control and everybody's full attention.

There's a few things that I didn't even mention there and none of those have anything to do with social media either.