I was about to post this, they seemed utterly bored by the entire event
So how did the "Mainstream" media react to the Xbox Unveil?
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I was about to post this, they seemed utterly bored by the entire event
Snapshot King
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Remember reading a study a few years ago that mentioned that 8% of the gaming audience spend almost a third of total money on the industry.
Man-is-Obsolete
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And I don't understand you, and none of that appeals to me at all. Different strokes...
Penguins&PolarBears
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It's okay to not like it or not want it. It's weird when you don't understand why other people like it and want it. You should be able to respect the technological achievement of it, even if it doesn't solve any of your own problems.
If this Xbox One thing didn't even play games it would be extremely cool. The fact that it plays exclusive AAA games makes it 10X more cool.
It's also strange to me that anyone here is surprised by any of this. Almost all of this stuff including the design of the console was leaked in the Road to Fortaleza roadmap a year ago.
If this Xbox One thing didn't even play games it would be extremely cool. The fact that it plays exclusive AAA games makes it 10X more cool.
It's also strange to me that anyone here is surprised by any of this. Almost all of this stuff including the design of the console was leaked in the Road to Fortaleza roadmap a year ago.
TryHardShounen
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Holy shit, why does Kotaku AUS look so much better than normal Kotaku?!
Woo-Fu
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The mainstream media is funded by advertising. Of course they love a platform that allows targeted advertising and can keep track of everything the consumer does with entertainment media, not just games. It is basically their holy grail.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Because this is a hardcore gaming forum. All of those features are secondary to the hardcore games most of us want to play.
I usually hate bringing this up, but your post history is quite telling, tbh.
Yes because using the remote is so difficult.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
My "casual" friend texted me and said "Wow this new system looks great!". I texted him about the used games as a reply and he said, "Well I guess we're not gonna buy used games".
This thing is going to sell gangbusters, I can see it. GAF will cry.
This thing is going to sell gangbusters, I can see it. GAF will cry.
Man-is-Obsolete
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It's ok for you to like those things, I am not stopping you. There is valid concerns about how all those things will work (like will it even support your Fios provider?) and even more so if people are willing to spend $400/$500 and a monthly/yearly Live fee to enjoy such features.
Tylahedras
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The negatives all came after the conference. And the people writing those conference reviews probably aren't gamers. So the media was impressed by a device they don't understand doing things they do understand (TV) and gamers were horrified by the news that started flowing after.
The mainstream news will catch up eventually, it will just take a few days of "the world is ending!" in the comments section under their puff pieces for them to decide to switch to negative mode.
The mainstream news will catch up eventually, it will just take a few days of "the world is ending!" in the comments section under their puff pieces for them to decide to switch to negative mode.
Penguins&PolarBears
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I am a hardcore gamer.
Oh that's right this forum decided that Call of Duty and most other Xbox shooters in addition to Madden and all EA Sports games are not "hardcore" games anymore. You gave them some juvenile demeaning subgenre classification of "dudebro" games.
Well keep slicing games out of the pie of being "real" games and you'll eventually find yourself in a very small niche.
15 exclusives. Force feedback triggers. 300,000 servers for cloud computing. There was stuff in the 1 hr conference for core gamers to like. I'm not dismissing any issues people have with the console, but don't act like there was nothing for core gamers to like. MS also made it clear before the conference that E3 is meant for big game announcements.
EatinOlives
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I unfortunately have to agree. As horribly shitty as it would be that the used games thing is going to be adopted willingly by the masses, the average consumer simply isn't going to give a shit. They want their Halo, Madden, CoD, and FIFA and who gives a shit if you can't buy it used? As far as they know they'd only save $5 anyway given the prices they see at GameStop.
At any rate, that announcement made me want to go home and hug my Super Nintendo. Shit plays exactly as it did 20 years ago, no fucking used game online pass bullshit.
Sometimes The Verge (Topolsky) is just the Pitchfork of tech. The guys actually at the event to report on it seemed to like it.
Snapshot King
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I'm aware that I'll only fuel your faux outrage, but Call of Duty is actually quite casual. It markets itself as a hardcore shooter for hardcores, but it's hit on a formula popular with people of all skill levels and engagement levels, is extremely simple to pick up and play and has relatively little complexity in its mechanics. It's the Angry Birds of FPS. That doesn't mean it's bad, in fact, it's quite good at its job, but painting it as something geared towards a hardcore discerning audience is ridiculous.
I guarantee a significant portion of the mainstream media reaction was "thank god they showed the console itself and the controller so we can put a slap a picture on the front page of the Tech ghetto of our newspapers' website. Being able to generate a few extra clicks is literally all I care about, so at least my editor won't yell at me for not getting a picture of the box. Damn I hope that publisher bites on my twitter book idea, if I'm still covering this dead end beat in a year I'll kill myself in my roach infested bachelor apartment."
Ace Harding
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The overwhelmingly positive initial reaction from the mainstream press was the same as it is for any consumer product announcement. They just regurgitate official PR stuff, pad it with unresearched fluff, and publish and forget. If there is a major kerfluffle (which there probably is at this point) they'll get around to reporting on it once someone else has done the legwork.
Engadget seemed to be quite smitten by it: http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/editorial-xbox-one/
God, this shit about "hardcores" and "casuals" makes me want to hurl
"For years -- and I mean years -- consumer electronics and computer companies have been struggling to replace the panoply of boxes hanging off American televisions."
This is a strange opening line considering that the xbone does nothing to solve this. The other boxes hanging off the tv still exist, the xbone just acts as a switchbox that adds a camera dangling off your tv. It cuts down on remotes, not devices.
- What the hell are the 15 exclusives? Remedy's generally good and we saw that one, but what else are they offering? And for that matter how likely is it to stay on Xbox?
- How well will Force feedback triggers actually work?
- Just how will this cloud computing work?
Everyone has different priorities, and admittedly some of may be overly conservative about some of this stuff, but these things need more to them to really be exciting, and it'd take a LOT to outweigh my big issues.
Actually I'm curious, what was the social media reaction to the PS3? I felt like Sony couldn't be toppled, yet at the least they lost half of their marketshare, I can't help but wonder if people went "yeah this seems kinda cool" only to not buy it. Or for pricing details to ruin the whole thing.
Yep. We are headed down dark roads.
It might, provided the press doesn't turn on it. A lot of bad things could make Joe Consumer wary of the box if they get repeated often enough. That said, it's still an upgrade to a popular product, so it has potential regardless of the hardcore cred or lack thereof.
Bleedorang3
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What does that change about what he posted. The reveal definitely wasn't for GAF but that doesn't mean it was awful or that the XB1 will somehow fail. GAF doesn't represent mainstream or mass market.
People who like games can love cross-media experiences and what MS showed today was some of the most advanced cross media shit I've ever seen. The fct that it plays games too is awesome. We'll see the games at E3
Penguins&PolarBears
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Forza Gotham Racing 5 was another one of the exclusives announced.
But Aaron Greenberg (MS) made it clear ahead of this conference what the plan was. E3 for major game announcements. Debut conference to show off the hardware.
Price is of enormous importance. PS3 at E3 2005 was getting very good reaction from people, it wasn't until they had to show the actual launch games and reveal price at E3 2006 that consumers started looking for more economical choices (Wii, 360).
DryvBy
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If you think Fox News was writing some weird crap, try CNN and MSNBCs as well. Classic "journalism".
Bleedorang3
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Didn't you know? You're not a gamer anymore if you play shooters or sports games.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Because his entire post was based around the basis of "NeoGAF has lost the plot".
I still don't see the entire TV thing working remotely as advertised. Even in the US many customers are going to be stuck using IR blisters and HDMI passthrough which is going to make the experience clunky to say the least. Just having to have two UIs on the screen at once (cable/satellite box and Xbox One) is going to be annoying.
I mean how is TiVo doing these days? In the early days of DVR many companies tried to build another box to act as the controller for your normal cable box and it was roundly rejected by consumers in favor of vastly inferior DVRs that the cable companies started providing just because it was a more seamless experience. Do people really expect this to be any different?
I mean how is TiVo doing these days? In the early days of DVR many companies tried to build another box to act as the controller for your normal cable box and it was roundly rejected by consumers in favor of vastly inferior DVRs that the cable companies started providing just because it was a more seamless experience. Do people really expect this to be any different?
Smushroomed
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voice controls are the waggle controls of this generation
BurnOutBrighter
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Exactly. This is the same thing that killed Google TV before it got off the ground.
Snapshot King
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Hey, I'm not using it in some kind of perjorative term. I'm using the terms in their exact usage. Casual folks who casually play games, not as a large focus or time investment, guess what? Many of them adore sports games, some forms of smart phone games and Call of Duty. They don't require large time investments or mechanical skill. They're popular. That's not BAD, good on those games for reaching a good audience.
On the flipside, something like Arma is unquestionably hardcore. Time investment, engagement, overall focus from someone needs to be substantially higher from someone looking to pop on for an hour of fun after work. That doesn't mean Arma is better than COD, but to say there isn't a casual/hardcore slant between the two titles is farce.
Man-is-Obsolete
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And doesn't need an expensive camera to do it. I was able to do voice commands on the PS2 with an USB mic.
Arkos
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Omg I can actually contribute to GAF.
Here's CNNMoney's very business-ey take on it. Put it in the OP, it makes for a great game of "spot the factual errors"
http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/21/technology/microsoft-xbox/index.html
Here's CNNMoney's very business-ey take on it. Put it in the OP, it makes for a great game of "spot the factual errors"
http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/21/technology/microsoft-xbox/index.html
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I really hate the terms "hardcore" "casual" and "dudebro".
Psycho_Mantis
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Are all those mainstream sites that are praising it American?
I believe the foremost priority for people to even think of buying a console is (shockingly) to play games and how the new hardware can enrich their experience while playing games, so you got the priority wrong.
Bleedorang3
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Did he get the priority wrong or did hardcore gamers?
I'd like to think that most of us are under no delusion that things we don't like will bomb. We've learned that lesson over and over, perhaps it's sunk in for most users.
Penguins&PolarBears
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Well the posts here about Kinect leading up to it's launch weren't: "I'm not going to buy this." The posts were how much of a failure it would be. How stupid MS was for thinking they were going to sell X many Kinects when they ended up selling way more than that.
And not to pick on NeoGAF. Listening to Stephen Totilo and friends at Kotaku they were constantly talking about how bad Kinect was and how much better Move was going to be. So somebody has definitely lost the plot.
Google TV had CoD? Madden? Forza? FIFA?
A.) Google TV interface and setup sucked compared to this HDMI & Wi-Fi pairing.
B.) Google TV gigantic remotes with keyboards sucked compared to Kinect.
C.) Google TV didn't have AAA exclusive games or any high end 3D games for that matter.
D.) Google TV didn't have SmartGlass to let you use any tablet/phone control your TV.
E.) Google didn't create LA production studios, hire Spielberg/Abrams to create content, sign exclusive deals with the NFL, etc.
If you really think that Xbox One has the same overall appeal as Google TV had then you are detached from reality.
Casuals will not spend much money for a device like Xbox one if that's their priority, unless they have too much cash. I don't expect Xbox one will be dirt cheap without a catch eg. Live subscription stuff.
Their TVs have those program guides and what not while they have smartphones/ tablets for all their gaming needs. Other social features they can also do with their phones or computers.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
That is not what your original post was about. You said you were amazed we weren't impressed by Kinect. Most of us are still waiting to be impressed by it.
NeoGAF WAS wrong about the success of Kinect, but in my mind they weren't wrong about the quality of the product or its outcome for gaming. I'm seriously baffled that you are trying to call out NeoGAF for their opinion on Kinect from anything other than a "commercial success" point of view.
Seriously, Kinect was a dud outside a couple of cool experiences. It's great that the mainstream and casual audiences ate it up, but I don't see them coming back to it very often and it even seemed like Kinect titles started drying up. I could be wrong about that, but I just don't really hear about Kinect anymore.
Seriously, go back and watch that press conference (I guess 2010). That show was completely bonkers. People looked like complete idiots playing Kinect. Plus Microsoft had overacted (and fake) presentations. Plus Cirque Du Soleil.