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[Catalyst]

Say like...Story of the Year, The Ataris (well, pre-So Long, Astoria The Ataris, anyway) Breaking Benjamin, Blink 182, Linkin Park, Thrice, Papa Roach, even, whatever, just to name a few. It's like a sin to even say you like them. In all honesty, what is it people have against bands that actually spill their hearts out?

A lot of what these bands talk about are very true, and have good messages. Is it their talent? Or lack thereof? Their political incorrectness?

I'm just curious, I don't mean to come off as offensive. None of my friends make fun of me in real life, they listen to some of the same things I listen to. I'm no MTV generation kid, I actually hate MTV and all its pop propaganda. I'm just wondering why it's so cool to hate these kinds of bands.

In writing this, I expect the trite few lame, retarded, and hateful replies, so I ask for you guys and gals to keep it a bit fair since I'm being honest .

I think a few others here could possibly be wondering the same thing, too.

 

[DCharlie]

Let me tell you what it's like
being male middle class and white
it's a bitch if you don't believe
listen up for my new CD
Shamon....

 

[Funky Papa]

Most of them are every bit as pop propagandists and fake as the Backstreet Boys, they just have a different attitude. Plus, this is GAF, expect hate, not compassion

PS: I dig Linkin Park.

 

[Fresh Prince]

They are all very generic imo they should have a huge genetic splicer to merge all these bands into one supreme band rather than being weekly being touted that "insert band name here" is the 'next big thing'.

Same goes for club-banger rappers, RnB singers that talk about lost love etc.

 

[Catalyst]

Haha, wanna do the shitty lyrics war, then, huh? (<--DCharlie) Some bands do give better bands a bad name. But when I see people making fun of such bands on the internet, most of it's hearsay and they make fun of what they only hear on the radio or see on MTV. Lostprophets are a good example. They just hit it big, have a few singles out, whereas they've had one or two other albums out for a very long time. Same with Story of the Year, which happens to be a very, very talented, well-sung band. Lyrics to one of my favorite songs ever:

A song I've made love to my beloved with countless times...hehe (yes, please do make fun).


"In Her Bedroom"

We both want the world
But we both know that this gets old
If I could open up my chest then maybe
I could find a way to give you
Just a little piece of my heart

Sometimes I would rather cut your lips
Right off your face than kiss them goodnight

But then, sometimes
You can make a room feel perfect when you try
Because a mouth full of lies will leave a sour taste
That cuts just like a knife as it slides down your throat

Yeah you would give up the world and fall to your knees to show me that you care

We could believe in windows but behind the broken glass are fairy tales

In her bedroom I am throwing pieces of what I wish I could be
Knowing that someday in her bedroom she will know
Yeah, here we go

If I could find your eyes from across the room we have to try
Not to throw away this happiness
If the air explodes between us then this is more than just a feeling

Today I woke up missing you another day goes by alone

We could believe in windows but behind the broken glass are fairy tales

In her bedroom I am throwing pieces of what I wish I could be
Knowing that someday in her bedroom she will know
Yeah, here we go

Not every movie has a happy ending
But frame by frame I learn to love you
When I see flowers bloom in your footsteps

I learn to love you
I learn to love you
Frame by frame
Here we go

In her bedroom I am throwing pieces of what I wish I could be, yeah
Knowing that someday in her bedroom she will
In her bedroom I am throwing pieces of what I wish I could be
Yeah, here we go

 

[DCharlie]

"Haha, wanna do the shitty lyrics war, then, huh? (<--DCharlie)"

he he - no , just quoting Ben Folds "Rocking the Suburbs" which basically owns most of the music industry with a couple of lines...

"I take the cheques and face the facts,
that some producer with computers
fixes all my shitty tracks."

"Some bands do give better bands a bad name. But when I see people making fun of such bands on the internet, most of it's hearsay and they make fun of what they only hear on the radio or see on MTV. Lostprophets are a good example. They just hit it big, have a few singles out, whereas they've had one or two other albums out for a very long time. Same with Story of the Year, which happens to be a very, very talented, well-sung band. Lyrics to one of my favorite songs ever:"

Every single person will have different emotional attachments to different groups. Music is a very personal thing. The stuff i listen to , some people will laugh at and deride. By the same token, some people can't see the appeal of bands like Blink 182, Good Charlotte, Avril Lavatory, the "I'm rocking a BMX bike" band etc... etc... with a lot of them it just feels like faked up attitude. I know that it's unfair to make those sort of sweeping generalizations, but a lot of these bands just leave some people (me for instance) cold.

 

[Ill Saint]

They're just plain shit. It's cynical poser rubbish made to cater for a certain demographic (the MTV viewer).

Now, that's simply my (admitedly jaded) view of these bands and their ilk. But if you like these bands, their music, message etc... why give a fuck what someone else thinks? Like what you like.

 

[Catalyst]

"Haha, wanna do the shitty lyrics war, then, huh? (<--DCharlie)"

he he - no , just quoting Ben Folds "Rocking the Suburbs" which basically owns most of the music industry with a couple of lines...

"I take the cheques and face the facts,
that some producer with computers
fixes all my shitty tracks."

"Some bands do give better bands a bad name. But when I see people making fun of such bands on the internet, most of it's hearsay and they make fun of what they only hear on the radio or see on MTV. Lostprophets are a good example. They just hit it big, have a few singles out, whereas they've had one or two other albums out for a very long time. Same with Story of the Year, which happens to be a very, very talented, well-sung band. Lyrics to one of my favorite songs ever:"

Every single person will have different emotional attachments to different groups. Music is a very personal thing. The stuff i listen to , some people will laugh at and deride. By the same token, some people can't see the appeal of bands like Blink 182, Good Charlotte, Avril Lavatory, the "I'm rocking a BMX bike" band etc... etc... with a lot of them it just feels like faked up attitude. I know that it's unfair to make those sort of sweeping generalizations, but a lot of these bands just leave some people (me for instance) cold.

Oh, my bad, man, I thought you were being a bit facetious.

Yeah, a lot of bands do try a bit too hard, which give most of the good music (The Afuckingtaris, goddammit...great, great stuff, pre-So Long, Astoria...and SLA was pretty good) a bad name. I agree to a point where a lot of them seem like posers, but if people get down and listen to the lyrics, they'll realize most of these bands send out a positive message, and have messages that need to be heard. The sad part about it is...most people actually don't listen to the lyrics of songs, and make these lame generalizations. I couldn't equate it any other way. I could make fun of them for possibly listening to obscure-named bands, or old stuff...but I have no clue why they listen to these bands. The only kinda music I could make a good judgement on is rap/hip-hop, most of it (except the positive music, like Black-Eyed Peas, notwithstanding)...which is basically destroying young America, and erasing the English language. That's what people should be putting down, but yet it's becoming the most popular genre in music today, and it's very sad.

They're just plain shit. It's cynical poser rubbish made to cater for a certain demographic (the MTV viewer).

Now, that's simply my (admitedly jaded) view of these bands and their ilk. But if you like these bands, their music, message etc... why give a fuck what someone else thinks? Like what you like.

Oh, I get this, alright. Most of these bands are cynical because they have no other way to get their message out. I don't give a fuck what someone else thinks...I could list what I listen to here and get flamed to hell and not care. I absolutely love Blink 182 and The Ataris. I absolutely love Coheed and Cambria, and I absolutely love Chevelle, Rufio, and Linkin Park. I like what I like, and I don't mind people liking what they like. Even rap, although I'm strongly against it and question the judgement of the people listening to the noise. I just have a problem with the people that seem to generalize and stereotype punk/metal/emo/grunge/pop-punk and they have no fucking idea what they're talking about. As a matter of fact, it makes me a bit angry at people who do this.


Oh, and for the record, my avatar isn't necessarily representing my liking of a pop star, but my admiration of my Lindsay being what Slutney Spears should have been.

 

[Scrow]

So what is it people have against those so-called teeny angsty bands?

They suck.

 

[Ill Saint]

I just have a problem with the people that seem to generalize and stereotype punk/metal/emo/grunge/pop-punk and they have no fucking idea what they're talking about. As a matter of fact, it makes me a bit angry at people who do this.

I generalise, because in my sphere of musical understanding, these bands are trash. It's my opinion based on all the stuff that's passed my ears since I've been actively listening to music. Personally, if I wanna listen to Punk, i'll throw in some Black Flag, Germs, X, Circle Jerks, Minutemen, Napalm Death etc... these are all bands that mattered, contributed greatly to the history and growth of their genres and influenced (unfortunately) all the bands you're probably spining today, and I'll listen to them over stuff like Papa Roach, Blink 182, Ataris etc. any time, any day. And despite being decades older, they still pack a ton more punch and soul.

Same for the other genres.

Also, your ignorant, narrowminded and utterly ridiculous views on Rap and Hip-Hop are mind-boggling.

 

[JackFrost2012]

They suck!

I dunno, I mean, when I was younger I liked more than my share of miserable bands, so I'm hardly one to talk. But the lyrics and message of the bands you quote aren't deep or heartfelt ... they're just purple prose which teenagers THINK is deep and heartfelt. Reading/listening to that sort of stuff just makes me laugh, nowadays.

What I don't like about those sorts of groups in general is that their entire attitude/style/message is so carefully crafted. It's "heartfelt" and "meaningful," but not actually either. Those groups are telling you what you think you want to hear, and not what you actually need to hear.

An American humorist once said, "people don't really want to think; they want to think they're thinking." Same with these bands: people don't want music that moves them. They want music that makes them feel like they're being moved. People who wear their emotions and messages on their sleeve usually do so to disguise there's very little inside to back them up.

That, and as someone else said, if I want to listen to that sort of music, I have decades of rock history to sort through. Not saying "old is better than new," cause that's bollocks. But the original always beats a pale imitation.

Sorry for the harsh words, you asked for my honest opinion and you got it.

 

[Teknopathetic]

Because they're faux punk/emo/etc. pansy poser bands with nary a shred of talent or creativity.

 

[Cool]

If the voices alone of the vocalists in bands like Thrice, Story of the Year, and the Ataris don't annoy you enough, then, I don't know what.

 

[Escape Goat]

GAF, expect hate, not compassion

Can we have this as GAFs motto?

 

[Minotauro]

If the voices alone of the vocalists in bands like Thrice, Story of the Year, and the Ataris don't annoy you enough, then, I don't know what.

Indeed. The vocals for all these bands sound nearly identical to me. They all have the same whiny sound that irritates me to no end.

 

[shoplifter]

This years 'Best New Artist' Grammy goes to:

Spoiler

MODEST MOUSE

 

[Triumph]

For me, it's because artists who actually do have something to say, and write and perform all of their own music, get looked over for the latest emo craprock sensation.

Also, these guys are all pretty much middle class white kids. What the fuck do they have to complain about, huh? It would be like if Olimario suddenly tried to start a punk band. How would that be credible?

 

[levious]

Some people will never like a certain type of music, whether or not they have a valid reason. Some people will never respect rap, some people will never concede that a pop star may actually have talent.

 

[shoplifter]

no, it's just more lock-jawed popstars
thicker than pig shit
nothing to convey

they're so scared to show intelligence
it might smear their lovely career

 

[xsarien]

Because it's not singing, it's whining. As the chick next to me at the Weezer concert a few years ago put it when Dashboard Confessional opened the show:

"WHY DON'T YOU JUST GO HOME AND FUCKING CRY ABOUT IT?"

Man, I should've gotten her number.

 

[Spiritreaver]

These topics are always so amusing. There's never a steady stream of them, they just seem to come in waves though. I feel l ike I should have some automated response to musical tastes and music as an art form. That, and maybe sense musical tastes from person to person can be so drastically different, maybe we just shouldn't discuss it entirely. It gets to be as bad as politics, but with even less reasoning behind arguments. It just boils down to people having a complete difference in opinion, and it's taken way too seriously. Art should not be rated or critiqued. One man's trash is another man's.. you get my drift. Some people find the look of a pop can to be ingenious, others just don't see it. Some people find Shakespeare to be a nobody, generally not the literary god others seem to see.

I'm not really trying to say that not talking about music is really a good thing, but seriously, the immaturity of responses is mind numbing. People can critique things in a rational sense won't entirely offend or incite an argument. Another problem people seem to have is stamping their foot and saying, "X group sucks!" then smile at the oncoming shouts and screams. Enough. If you really want to have your word taken with more serious thought, try opening people up to different kinds of music. Have them listen to something you like, suggest something else. And if you really can't find yourself able to generally be mature about such discussions. Hell, nothing really forcing you to enter topics about music you hate. I have a general dislike of pop music, only because it just doesn't suit me, I can't get into the rhythm that other people do. But hey, I'm able to just plain avoid it and its discussion without offending anyone pretty easily. Then again, I'm willing to give anything a try, I'll listen to whatever. If I don't like it, I just say it isn't for me and move on.

I certainly know it's not going to end though. The cycle repeats, it's happened for centuries. Many movements in music, art, and literature weren't always taken lightly and were often under scrutiny. Sometimes they weren't even given that and just blown off. Some people say that certain rock artists, or pop artists fromt he 20th century are gods and just aren't like anything else. Now, if they talked to someone of an older age group, you'd hear the same thing but about a different genre. Talk to music scholars and you're likely to get laughed at and pointed to music centuries old. Some people even get defensive by regions, they may consider music from African tribes to be something full of heart and passion. Forget it. If it makes you feel good, great, if it doesn't to someone else, so be it. Stop harassing people. I see more bloodthristy fights over this than politics, it's silly. People really need to straighten their heads and level them out.

 

[MetatronM]

I consider Blink 182 to be the ultimate sum of everything wrong with pop music today.

How they were ever associated with "punk" is still a mystery to me.

 

[Triumph]

Dashboard Confessional is far and away the worst, most shitty band ever. They were part of a concert that had Weezer on it a few years ago that I went to, and I moved up to the front during their set and heckled them, spit beer on their fans and kept jumping into the stupid emo kids, saying I was trying to start a mosh pit. I think made some of them cry(which really isn't that hard or much of an achievement, but it felt right).

 

[Teknopathetic]

Eye liner and spiked, dyed hair do a politically incorrect band not make.

 

[Catalyst]

I generalise, because in my sphere of musical understanding, these bands are trash. It's my opinion based on all the stuff that's passed my ears since I've been actively listening to music. Personally, if I wanna listen to Punk, i'll throw in some Black Flag, Germs, X, Circle Jerks, Minutemen, Napalm Death etc... these are all bands that mattered, contributed greatly to the history and growth of their genres and influenced (unfortunately) all the bands you're probably spining today, and I'll listen to them over stuff like Papa Roach, Blink 182, Ataris etc. any time, any day. And despite being decades older, they still pack a ton more punch and soul.

Same for the other genres.

Also, your ignorant, narrowminded and utterly ridiculous views on Rap and Hip-Hop are mind-boggling.

Yeah, anything dissidential these days is mind-boggling. And ignorant. And narrow-minded. And not to mention utterly ridiculous. Being against the glamorizing of premarital sex, drugs, and gang violence is mind-boggling, ignorant, and utterly ridiculous too, huh?

Gonna call me racist now? Gonna call me a bigot?

:lol

These topics are always so amusing. There's never a steady stream of them, they just seem to come in waves though. I feel l ike I should have some automated response to musical tastes and music as an art form. That, and maybe sense musical tastes from person to person can be so drastically different, maybe we just shouldn't discuss it entirely. It gets to be as bad as politics, but with even less reasoning behind arguments. It just boils down to people having a complete difference in opinion, and it's taken way too seriously. Art should not be rated or critiqued. One man's trash is another man's.. you get my drift. Some people find the look of a pop can to be ingenious, others just don't see it. Some people find Shakespeare to be a nobody, generally not the literary god others seem to see.

I'm not really trying to say that not talking about music is really a good thing, but seriously, the immaturity of responses is mind numbing. People can critique things in a rational sense won't entirely offend or incite an argument. Another problem people seem to have is stamping their foot and saying, "X group sucks!" then smile at the oncoming shouts and screams. Enough. If you really want to have your word taken with more serious thought, try opening people up to different kinds of music. Have them listen to something you like, suggest something else. And if you really can't find yourself able to generally be mature about such discussions. Hell, nothing really forcing you to enter topics about music you hate. I have a general dislike of pop music, only because it just doesn't suit me, I can't get into the rhythm that other people do. But hey, I'm able to just plain avoid it and its discussion without offending anyone pretty easily. Then again, I'm willing to give anything a try, I'll listen to whatever. If I don't like it, I just say it isn't for me and move on.

I certainly know it's not going to end though. The cycle repeats, it's happened for centuries. Many movements in music, art, and literature weren't always taken lightly and were often under scrutiny. Sometimes they weren't even given that and just blown off. Some people say that certain rock artists, or pop artists fromt he 20th century are gods and just aren't like anything else. Now, if they talked to someone of an older age group, you'd hear the same thing but about a different genre. Talk to music scholars and you're likely to get laughed at and pointed to music centuries old. Some people even get defensive by regions, they may consider music from African tribes to be something full of heart and passion. Forget it. If it makes you feel good, great, if it doesn't to someone else, so be it. Stop harassing people. I see more bloodthristy fights over this than politics, it's silly. People really need to straighten their heads and level them out.

I'd discuss anything with you any time of the week, kind sir, you make excellent points. I'm glad there are people like you on this board.

However...it does seem like most of the people here don't know what they're talking about, but it could also seem to them I don't either. Like you said, Wufei, it's just a matter of opinion...one man's trash is another man's gold. Hehe.

 

[etiolate]

A lot of what these bands talk about are very true, and have good messages

The problem is that is not true. I've listened to angsty music and loved it, but the current crop feels like they have nothing to complain about. Yet, since it's what you do as a teenager they make it angsty anyways. Bands have been angsty about social decay, cultural grouping, religion, actual experience. Lately, I never know what the band is complaining about, but they are complaining.

 

[levious]

Yeah, anything dissidential these days is mind-boggling. And ignorant. And narrow-minded. And not to mention utterly ridiculous. Being against the glamorizing of premarital sex, drugs, and gang violence is mind-boggling, ignorant, and utterly ridiculous too, huh?

Gonna call me racist now? Gonna call me a bigot?

:lol

It's your insistance to equate all those negative things you listed with rap that makes you ignorant. Unless you wanna concede that teen angst + music = utter shit.

Plus, why does the content of a song neccessarily makes it what the music is glamorizing. Or why is that a bad thing? It's like the plight of Ice T, he can't rap about a fictional cop killer but Clint Eastwood can win an Academy Award for the same thing in a different medium.

 

[tt_deeb]

no, it's just more lock-jawed popstars
thicker than pig shit
nothing to convey

they're so scared to show intelligence
it might smear their lovely career

I agree, sadly this world is just full of crashing bores.

 

[Catalyst]

It's your insistance to equate all those negative things you listed with rap that makes you ignorant. Unless you wanna concede that teen angst + music = utter shit.

Plus, why does the content of a song neccessarily makes it what the music is glamorizing. Or why is that a bad thing? It's like the plight of Ice T, he can't rap about a fictional cop killer but Clint Eastwood can win an Academy Award for the same thing in a different medium.

Heh, don't get me wrong, I hate all music that doesn't relate to an outcome of a positive message. Or a message to get through things. That's why I'm equating a lot of bad things with rap.

Clint Eastwood plays fictional roles, however, 50 cents and his dumbass "find me in da club," which insists on saying DA instead of "THE"...what the shit? Or what about Eminem singing about killing Kim? Or talking bad shit about his mother? I can talk about country music and all of it sounding the same.

But that's just my opinion....I've just been curious as to why people think it's so cool to put down rock these days, and then go on to glamorize (c)rap/hip-hop.

 

[Baconäger]

"People will continue to participate in making terrible and derivative music, no amount of nerdy internet ranting will change that. The sooner everyone realizes this the sooner we can all keep listening to Smiths, Sonic Youth and Replacements records and not caring what faggoty kids just started a band that sounds like Taking Back Sunday. By the way I have no idea who Taking Back Sunday is."

 

[BobbyRobby]

You don't have to like a song's lyrics in order to like a song. I don't really care what MxPX or Good Charlotte is actually saying, but some of their songs are still pretty damn catchy.

Cool lyrics can definitely enhance a song, but it isn't neccessary.

 

[Catalyst]

You don't have to like a song's lyrics in order to like a song. I don't really care what MxPX or Good Charlotte is actually saying, but some of their songs are still pretty damn catchy.

Cool lyrics can definitely enhance a song, but it isn't neccessary.

That's one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard. People don't write music for nothing, dude.

Gee golly moses. :lol

No wonder why you people hate rock these days. You don't even listen. It's all about beat, huh? That's what the rap guys and gals say, anyway. I pray to God almighty you don't concur.

 

[Volt]

Ripping into hip-hop while at the same time asking us why so many people can't stand those emo "punk rock" bands is a bit of a logical mistake. It may be your opinion, Catalyst, that hip-hop music is destroying the language and a lot of the culture with it, but in my own personal opinion those emo-bands are just as guilty for destroying the believability of rock music and true emotions in the art of music.

I'm not a hip-hop fan by a long shot, and I agree there's just way too much of it, and it's also pretty damn cynical. But at the very least hip-hop is a musical genre that sprung out of a very real social and historical background. It once had relevance for a huge part of American society. These so-called emo bands, though, do not have a history, they do not have a social urgence to them, the way rock has, the way punk had or early techno. Basically emo rock just came out of nowhere and managed to stick around using some very clever tricks lyrically and stylistically to fool the young'uns into thinking this was punk and rebellious and cool. In the mean time, their lyrics are typically webjournal style "this and that happened to me, and now I'm sad/pissed off", cuz they just know a lot of teens and young adults while recognize themselves in those words.

To make a long story short : I just don't buy that this music is real, it reeks of opportunism and there are soooo many bands out there trying to create true, emotional or rebellious music that won't ever get any air time on MTV etc.. Does emo suck ? Nah, it doesn't for a lot of people. But personally it means nothing to me, and I don't think it ever will.

 

[Jim Bowie]

Also, these guys are all pretty much middle class white kids. What the fuck do they have to complain about, huh? It would be like if Olimario suddenly tried to start a punk band. How would that be credible?

I hate this statement. "You're from middle-class suburbia! YOU can't make music! You're all shallow and stuff!" Are you saying that to make punk rock music you have to continually wallow in despair? That you have to live in big cities, and that you have to spend your days in the streets? Give me a fucking break.

What about those kids that grew up in the suburbs of the suburbs? Can they not rock because of their location?

 

[Eminem]

Some of the music I don't mind, and some I like. But I could never take it seriously. Most of it is just oo contrived, same old same old bullshit. I've heard about how you're depressed a million times. Make the lyrics and music interesting somehow. Add some substance somewhere. If the music is subpar, at least have something special about the lyrics. Most of the crap on the radio is the same thing stated over and over again.
Like I said, some of that I like because of a good riff/good singing/good chorus, etc., but I could never classify them as music I could seriously get into.

 

[Catalyst]

I hate this statement. "You're from middle-class suburbia! YOU can't make music! You're all shallow and stuff!" Are you saying that to make punk rock music you have to continually wallow in despair? That you have to live in big cities, and that you have to spend your days in the streets? Give me a fucking break.

What about those kids that grew up in the suburbs of the suburbs? Can they not rock because of their location?

Which would be a great reply to argue with....

Ripping into hip-hop while at the same time asking us why so many people can't stand those emo "punk rock" bands is a bit of a logical mistake. It may be your opinion, Catalyst, that hip-hop music is destroying the language and a lot of the culture with it, but in my own personal opinion those emo-bands are just as guilty for destroying the believability of rock music and true emotions in the art of music.

I'm not a hip-hop fan by a long shot, and I agree there's just way too much of it, and it's also pretty damn cynical. But at the very least hip-hop is a musical genre that sprung out of a very real social and historical background. It once had relevance for a huge part of American society. These so-called emo bands, though, do not have a history, they do not have a social urgence to them, the way rock has, the way punk had or early techno. Basically emo rock just came out of nowhere and managed to stick around using some very clever tricks lyrically and stylistically to fool the young'uns into thinking this was punk and rebellious and cool. In the mean time, their lyrics are typically webjournal style "this and that happened to me, and now I'm sad/pissed off", cuz they just know a lot of teens and young adults while recognize themselves in those words.

To make a long story short : I just don't buy that this music is real, it reeks of opportunism and there are soooo many bands out there trying to create true, emotional or rebellious music that won't ever get any air time on MTV etc.. Does emo suck ? Nah, it doesn't for a lot of people. But personally it means nothing to me, and I don't think it ever will.

I can also say the same about rap/hip-hop. All they do is whine about how hard of a life they had growing up. Whenever I heard Nas, or some shit, I think, "Cry me a fucking river, your mommies shouldn't have been hookers and your daddies shouldn't have left you." That shit is volatile, dude.

And not to be rude, but like hell these "emo" bands have no history. They're starting their history, and it's catching on in the middle-class crowd. Hence why all this "posing," and someday, possibly, it could take over. I hope to God it does, because not all punkers and emo kiddies are shallow tag-alongs who are easily influenced. This is what I'm arguing for. What I'm defending. These punk bands rose up from blasting their shit in a garage, just like these dudes in the rap world started bustin' rhymes with a cheap ass synthesizer. Furthermore, it also seems like these days it doesn't take much to be a rapper. I can be a millionaire off this shit:

Yo sucka
I gots me a gun yo
Yo mama's a ho
I get drunk
Smoked dat weed
AND MADE MAHSELF CRUNK.
Word.

:lol

 

[Ill Saint]

Stop calling them Punk. PLEASE.

 

[xexex]

(It starts with)
One thing / I don’t know why
It doesn’t even matter how hard you try
Keep that in mind / I designed this rhyme
To explain in due time
All I know
time is a valuable thing
Watch it fly by as the pendulum swings
Watch it count down to the end of the day
The clock ticks life away
It’s so unreal
Didn’t look out below
Watch the time go right out the window
Trying to hold on / but didn’t even know
Wasted it all just to
Watch you go
I kept everything inside and even though I tried / it all fell apart
What it meant to me / will eventually / be a memory / of a time when I tried
so hard
And got so far
But in the end
It doesn't even matter
I had to fall
To lose it all
But in the end
It doesn't even matter
One thing / I don’t know why
It doesn’t even matter how hard you try
Keep that in mind / I designed this rhyme
To remind myself how
I tried so hard
In spite of the way you were mocking me
Acting like I was part of your property
Remembering all the times you fought with me
I’m surprised it got so (far)
Things aren’t the way they were before
You wouldn’t even recognize me anymore
Not that you knew me back then
But it all comes back to me
In the end
You kept everything inside and even though I tried / it all fell apart
What it meant to me / will eventually / be a memory / of a time when I
I tried so hard
And got so far
But in the end
It doesn’t even matter
I had to fall
To lose it all
But in the end
It doesn’t even matter
I've put my trust in you
Pushed as far as I can go
For all this
There’s only one thing you should know
I've put my trust in you
Pushed as far as I can go
For all this
There’s only one thing you should know
I tried so hard
And got so far
But in the end
It doesn’t even matter
I had to fall
To lose it all
But in the end
It doesn’t even matter

 

[ConfusingJazz]

Head stong, Catalyst is taking on anyone. Head strong, he'll take you on.

 

[Catalyst]

"In The End" is such a great song.

Head stong, Catalyst is taking on anyone. Head strong, he'll take you on.

:lol

Trapt didn't even mean for that song to be so popular. Although "Echo" and "Stillframe" are much better. I've made love with my beloved to "Echo" before Trapt got on the radio...heh.

 

[BobbyRobby]

That's one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard. People don't write music for nothing, dude.

Gee golly moses. :lol

No wonder why you people hate rock these days. You don't even listen. It's all about beat, huh? That's what the rap guys and gals say, anyway. I pray to God almighty you don't concur.

So you've never liked a song sung in a different language? Something can still sound nice if you don't understand, or ignore their message.

 

[Catalyst]

So you've never liked a song sung in a different language? Something can still sound nice if you don't understand, or ignore their message.

In my opinion, it's hard listening to a song I can't understand.

 

[etiolate]

but in my own personal opinion those emo-bands are just as guilty for destroying the believability of rock music and true emotions in the art of music

I agree. I wouldn't say emo bands so much as just current modern rock. There is a whole lot subarban white america COULD complain about, but they don't.

 

[nitewulf]

actually you identified the problem succinctly in your thread title. the adjective "teeny angsty" means these bands will specifically appeal to teenagers who are in that "the world sucks, i'm lonely, that hot chic i have a crush on wont fuck me" mode (or vice versa for the feminine point of view).
when you're past that period, you're in college or a college graduate and are about to embark on real life, you dont have time for all that shit!!
life becomes more complicated! you become more mature (at least most of us, i believe).
and with this maturity comes a change in tastes, which these "teeny angsty" bands wont quite fullfill.
these bands fullfill a niche. for instance i liked linkin park, and i was pretty young when they came out. they have great hooks and catchy compositions. but you know what? the lyrics could be replaced by names and numbers read off the phone book, and it wouldnt make a modicum of difference to the songs. for my money, i'd rather see them putting their talents in creating catchy compositions to strictly creating synth-metal instrumentals. they'd be great at that.
lets talk about some of the others, take blink 182 and their hit single "what's my age again" from a few years ago. the lyrics made sense, as i was growing up yet i didnt want to! so i knew what they were talking about. but if they keep singing similar songs well into their 30s, it becomes lame!!

the clash's

"lost in a supermarket"

"I'm all lost in the supermarket
I can no longer shop happily
I came in here for that special offer
A guaranteed personality"

is literature.

whereas

blink 182's

"first date" <-- i just picked a random song from what seems to be their
last album.

"In the car I just can’t wait,
To pick you up on our very first date
Is it cool if I hold your hand?
Is it wrong if I think it’s lame to dance?
Do you like my stupid hair?
Would you guess that I didn’t know what to wear?
I’m too scared of what you think
You make me nervous so I really can’t eat"

is crap.

give me a break.

may be you are young so you cant quite relate, but once you're 22+, you'll feel like the rest of us. these bands cater to a very specific age group, and its prefectly ok to like them at that point. but in no way are these bands timeless or deep.

 

[Killkernal]

I can also say the same about rap/hip-hop. All they do is whine about how hard of a life they had growing up. Whenever I heard Nas, or some shit, I think, "Cry me a fucking river, your mommies shouldn't have been hookers and your daddies shouldn't have left you." That shit is volatile, dude.

And not to be rude, but like hell these "emo" bands have no history. They're starting their history, and it's catching on in the middle-class crowd. Hence why all this "posing," and someday, possibly, it could take over. I hope to God it does, because not all punkers and emo kiddies are shallow tag-alongs who are easily influenced. This is what I'm arguing for. What I'm defending. These punk bands rose up from blasting their shit in a garage, just like these dudes in the rap world started bustin' rhymes with a cheap ass synthesizer. Furthermore, it also seems like these days it doesn't take much to be a rapper. I can be a millionaire off this shit:

Yo sucka
I gots me a gun yo
Yo mama's a ho
I get drunk
Smoked dat weed
AND MADE MAHSELF CRUNK.
Word.

:lol

I don't think you've heard enough Rap/Hip-Hop to judge it so harshly. It seems like you're making an assumption based on the garbage being played on the corporate radio stations. Just like the current wave of 'emo' music, it's all pretty much fluff.

Stating that most Hip-Hop is about 'guns and hoe's' is just as ignorant as thinking all rock music is about being depressed and contemplating suicide. Stop believing what Clear Channel tells you.

 

[Volt]

I can also say the same about rap/hip-hop. All they do is whine about how hard of a life they had growing up. Whenever I heard Nas, or some shit, I think, "Cry me a fucking river, your mommies shouldn't have been hookers and your daddies shouldn't have left you." That shit is volatile, dude.

I wasn't defending hip-hop, I really don't know much about the genre and I only like a couple of bands in it (the positive ones, actually : Jurassic 5, BEP, De La Soul etc.). I was just trying to make the point that as a genre, hip-hop had a lot of general social relevance. Sure it's become some much worse and idealistic now, but we do have decades of decent albums and artists in the genre to look back to.

I'm through defending hip-hop though, because that's not even what this topic was originally about. It's about those emo bands who pretend to have a punk attitude and make generic statement about how life is hard and things tend to go wrong all the time. These kinds of bands are so often mislabeled as punk rock, that the word has basically lost all meaning, which is kind of sad considering the very real and interesting records that were created when punk was actually a totally new genre of music, and not just some word to tag onto the latest band that has a somewhat rebellious style and uses certain simplistic riffs.

I guess I just demand a much higher degree of sincerity and perhaps originality from contemporary music. Not implying that one genre is literally better than the other, just trying to explain what my personal motivation is to ignore (not insult or hate on) bands like Blink182, Linkin Park and many others that probably haven't even made it to Belgian shores (yet !).

 

[DJ Sl4m]

The songs have too much testosterone for most here.

 

[Catalyst]

I wasn't defending hip-hop, I really don't know much about the genre and I only like a couple of bands in it (the positive ones, actually : Jurassic 5, BEP, De La Soul etc.). I was just trying to make the point that as a genre, hip-hop had a lot of general social relevance. Sure it's become some much worse and idealistic now, but we do have decades of decent albums and artists in the genre to look back to.

I'm through defending hip-hop though, because that's not even what this topic was originally about. It's about those emo bands who pretend to have a punk attitude and make generic statement about how life is hard and things tend to go wrong all the time. These kinds of bands are so often mislabeled as punk rock, that the word has basically lost all meaning, which is kind of sad considering the very real and interesting records that were created when punk was actually a totally new genre of music, and not just some word to tag onto the latest band that has a somewhat rebellious style and uses certain simplistic riffs.

I guess I just demand a much higher degree of sincerity and perhaps originality from contemporary music. Not implying that one genre is literally better than the other, just trying to explain what my personal motivation is to ignore (not insult or hate on) bands like Blink182, Linkin Park and many others that probably haven't even made it to Belgian shores (yet !).

Heh. A lot of bands rip off others. Not necessarily a bad thing (although the middle guitar riff in "Stay Together For the Kids" by Blink 182 is a blatant rip-off of the super-duper-mega-outro of The Ataris' "Summer Wind Was Always Our Song")...but it seems as if it's the cool thing to spill your heart out in the form of music. To learn the guitar, bass, and drums isn't pariticularly an easy thing. But as a music enthusiast, punk rock is only a label. Punk can't even be described, but if I could, it's about anarchy, about nonconformity, about the way "things should be," and honesty. As fake as these bands may seem, they speak the truth and touch a lot of key issues. It's about being yourself, and not being afraid to be.

Some people just don't like hearing it.

Oh yes, there are some positive rap groups. I've studied my stuff. However, they're rare.

don't think you've heard enough Rap/Hip-Hop to judge it so harshly. It seems like you're making an assumption based on the garbage being played on the corporate radio stations. Just like the current wave of 'emo' music, it's all pretty much fluff.

Stating that most Hip-Hop is about 'guns and hoe's' is just as ignorant as thinking all rock music is about being depressed and contemplating suicide. Stop believing what Clear Channel tells you.

Heh, I've heard stuff and read lyrics not on the radio. Most of it's horrible. I don't believe what anyone tells me, I've observed for myself.


And nitewulf: most of Blink 182's songs are joke songs. Their lyrics are meant to be semi-seriously, but they tell their stories in a more sophomoric tone. That's their motive, it isn't like they're acting stupid on purpose.

 

[Ill Saint]

Punk can't even be described, but if I could, it's about anarchy, about nonconformity, about the way "things should be," and honesty. As fake as these bands may seem, they speak the truth and touch a lot of key issues. It's about being yourself, and not being afraid to be.

Which is why they pander to the mainstream? Please. If you're gonna talk Punk, at least wrap your ears around the real shit.

 

[nitewulf]

And nitewulf: most of Blink 182's songs are joke songs. Their lyrics are meant to be semi-seriously, but they tell their stories in a more sophomoric tone. That's their motive, it isn't like they're acting stupid on purpose.

thats it!
none of these are bands are to be taken seriously! so why are ya asking??