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SONIC THE HEDGEHOG 4 or AGAINST |OT| of Huelen in Green-Eyed Heaven
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Combichristoffersen
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Canti said:
No word on how many episodes there will be, and Sega haven't even started production on episode 2. No word on whether save states will carry over or not.
autobzooty said:
Sonic 4 - So bad it makes your milk go sour
Oh, wow, a 9. Sonic Advance and Sonic Rush games never got scores that high oh wait... IGN gave Sonic Advance 2 and Sonic Rush 9s. People that are against this game don't think it will be a terrible game. They are annoyed that it's just another Sonic Rush/Advance game while Sega claims it's the game they've been wanting for 15 years; that Dimps used the horrible Sonic Rush physics engine.G0523 said:
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ThatObviousUser
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Segata Sanshiro said:
Sonic Rush is a good game that stood on its own and had no cycle attached to it whatsoever. Sega didn't say they were "returning to Sonics' roots" with that game.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Sonic Genesis meets Sonic Advance 1? Sounds fine to me.
RobbieNick
Junior Member
dark10x said:
Exactly! So, what's wrong with that? DIMPS make great Sonic games their own way. Sonic 4 may not play EXACTLY like it's Genesis precursors, but it doesn't have to. As long as it evokes the feeling of classic Sonic every once in a while, it's hit it's mark.
Genesis purists need to realize that the old team is gone and they are never gonna get a Sonic game that's identical to the games they played back in the day. That doesn't mean they can't enjoy a modern Sonic game, but they obsess so much over tiny, unimportant details that they don't even try.
I'll end it like this.
This is a classic Sonic game.......
But Y'know what? So is this.
ThatObviousUser
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I think the Megaman 9 comparison was apt. You say Sonic 4 doesn't have to play exactly like the old games but I think it should, MM9 and 10 felt like true sequels because of how closely they adhered to the old designs.
Now I'm someone who wants the cycle to die as much as anyone. I just think Sonic 4 (Episode 1, at least) has fell into it. It was a bait-and-switch, pure and simple. It should have been called Rush HD, but wasn't. I eagerly anticipate Sonic Colors and possible Episode 2 breaking the cycle once and for all, but to just imagine the past year+ of ups and downs didn't exist is laughable.
Now I'm someone who wants the cycle to die as much as anyone. I just think Sonic 4 (Episode 1, at least) has fell into it. It was a bait-and-switch, pure and simple. It should have been called Rush HD, but wasn't. I eagerly anticipate Sonic Colors and possible Episode 2 breaking the cycle once and for all, but to just imagine the past year+ of ups and downs didn't exist is laughable.
So I got this game for the iphone, and it sucks. It's a shame I was really hoping it'd be fun on the phone at least but it just feels slow and the levels suck, and the music is trying too hard to be like the old games. I've played Sonic 1 and 2 on the iphone so I know it can be fun even though they're not as good as the console games, but Sonic 4 just plain sucks.
You don't need the old team to get it right. Even fan games get it right. You keep saying that fans want the game to be exactly like the Genesis games, but we really just want it to be like the Genesis games where it matters; gameplay (which includes physics and level design), that's very important. Stuff like the momentum of Sonic in the air, spinning actually being important, not uncurling when going off a ramp. The retro elements of Sonic 4 are superficial.RobbieNick said:
Genesis fans can enjoy modern Sonic games just fine, but you are acting like Sonic 4 isn't a special case. It's Sega saying "We gave you guys what you've been wanting!" when it's clearly not.
I wouldn't put Sonic Rush anywhere near Sonic 3. Sonic Rush did what it did good, but it was a completely different kind of game. It was fun for what it was, but I'd rather have a platformer.
Mama Robotnik
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Not really. This is Gamesradar, if you've read their articles you see they're not exactly a beacon of intelligence. Their publisher is also infamous for being paid off to give a 9 out of 10 to a broken game, just something to consider.G0523 said:
If EDGE, Eurogamer and GamesTM give it high scores, then I'll gladly agree the game is positively received and, as a hater, indeed "eat it"
I won't literally eat the game as I can't, its a download.
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I would love to hear opinions on Sonic 4 had it been released in its current form back on the Saturn. It would have been low resolution, but I think the Saturn could have produced very similar visuals.
Personally, I think the game would have received a lot of praise. The boost attack would have been fresh (and just another addition like the spin dash was back in Sonic 2). I'm willing to bet people would have thought the increased focus on speed was actually a great addition as well.
So what do you think? Would it have received praise as a Saturn game? Hell, what if this had been a 2D Dreamcast game? Guarantee everyone would have loved it.
You'll never make Sonic fans happy as they can't even agree on which Genesis game is the best.
Personally, I think the game would have received a lot of praise. The boost attack would have been fresh (and just another addition like the spin dash was back in Sonic 2). I'm willing to bet people would have thought the increased focus on speed was actually a great addition as well.
So what do you think? Would it have received praise as a Saturn game? Hell, what if this had been a 2D Dreamcast game? Guarantee everyone would have loved it.
I kind of feel the same way about Sonic 2 vs Sonic 3. I think Sonic 2 is a much better, more focused game all around. Sonic 3 became too labyrinth for its own good and just wasn't as fun to pickup and play. Of course I still love the game, but Sonic 2 is where it's at for me.
You'll never make Sonic fans happy as they can't even agree on which Genesis game is the best.
Princess Skittles
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Sometimes reviews aren't really about the core game (gameplay) itself but things surrounding it. Comic Jumper is getting excellent reviews despite being a rather broken, boring game because most reviewers are 30+ year old males with.. certain attributes.. and it being a game about comic books and having "snarky," self-referential humor, it touches them in a special way. So, if Sonic 4 is really the mess people are claiming (or just based on Sega and Sonic Team's storied history), people look past that and see the number 4 in the title and the supposed throwback to the games they grew up with and it touches them in a special way.andymcc said:
RobbieNick
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Andrex said:
The problem I have with MegaMan 9 is that it adhered too much to the old designs that not only did they make it 8-bit in a modern era, but they added in an option for slow glitches. It's too much of a carbon copy of the old games. At least Mega Man 10 gave you an easy option along with a few extras.
Mega Man 9 is Mega Man 2 with new bosses. No evolution to the franchise.
Err, I think the people this could apply to all seem to HATE the game.
It's those that have no real history with the series (or simply a casual history) are enjoying it much more.
That's what everyone wanted, really. We've had nearly two decades worth of evolution to the franchise and I think people just wanted a throwback. There have been way more Megaman games released in that time frame than Sonic games.
Segata Sanshiro
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Actually if you want some real talk, MM9 didn't feel like a true sequel at all. One of the most important things about the Mega Man games is the level design, and MM9 and MM10 weren't using Classic level design strategy, they were using MMZ level design strategy. That's something only the really hardcore MM fans would pick up on, though. Most of you guys didn't notice it, didn't care about it, and enjoyed the games because they were fun games and hit the major superficial points you folks associate with "Classic Mega Man".
Princess Skittles
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Well I don't really follow reviews heavily so that could be right. Assumptions and all that.dark10x said:
ThatObviousUser
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Segata Sanshiro said:
How in the world could it be like MMZ's level design? That game had tons of powerups to traverse the levels, in MM9 you couldn't even slide! I call BS.
by Hilary Goldstein. the same guy who did the Unleashed review for HD platforms.
http://xboxlive.ign.com/articles/112/1126734p1.html
Cow Mengde
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We all know Rockman and Forte is the real Megaman 9.
Segata Sanshiro
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Good. Well, that just shows your understanding of what makes a Mega Man game a Mega Man game is a layperson's understanding. Just like most people's understanding of what makes a Sonic game a Sonic game. Starting to get the analogy here?Andrex said:
If I ever feel like spending any serious time writing something about a game I like for the benefit of people around here, I'll fill you on on the design philosophies of the various Mega Man series. For now, it's 3:30 AM, I am playing Onimusha 2, and I don't care enough to go hypernerd on GAF at the moment.
ThatObviousUser
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Segata Sanshiro said:
Well I'm always up for expanding my knowledge of level designs.
I think the point is that Megaman 9 at least nailed 2/3 of the things people look for in a retro sequel: controls and A/V. Sonic 4 is 0/3.
ShadiWulf said:
by Hilary Goldstein. the same guy who did the Unleashed review for HD platforms.
http://xboxlive.ign.com/articles/112/1126734p1.html
you mean that terrible terrible guy who did the Unleashed HD review
anyway what's the score? and for what platform? i can't see anything at the moment
Segata Sanshiro
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And New Super Mario Bros. hit 0/3. You really need to try to step outside the boundaries of your own perspective here. Something can be simultaneously good and yet not good for you.Andrex said:
ThatObviousUser
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Segata Sanshiro said:
I already said it may be good, but that doesn't preclude disappointment.
They didn't call NSMB Mario 4 did they? They deliberately said it was all new right in the title.
I said, and you can look this up, way back in Firestorm's Sonic 4 thread, at least twice, if they had bundled all the eps together and put them on disc as "New Sonic the Hedgehog" I would not complain. You can dig up the quote if you want.
Diablohead
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No that is just a poor man's image of sonic 4, this game is using a sonic rush engine for it's base and overall it's rather shitty, that sonic worlds engine made for multimedia fusion is better then the dimps effort in every way.RobbieNick said:
Segata Sanshiro
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No, they called it New Super Mario Bros. Like it was a New Super Mario Bros. game. The first new one since Super Mario Bros. 3. Are you saying there were no expectations for New Super Mario Bros. to be like the older games?Andrex said:
Actually, seriously, don't bother. I think I've had this exact same conversation with like, seventeen to twenty other Classic Hog fans, and it never goes anywhere. Enjoy playing the game or not playing the game or buying the game or not buying the game or looking forward to the next one or not looking forward to the next one or whatever it is you're going to do. Onis need some mushin' so I'm outta here for now.
DeVeAn
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I guess hell froze over because this guy bashed the hell outta Sonic unleashed.ShadiWulf said:
by Hilary Goldstein. the same guy who did the Unleashed review for HD platforms.
http://xboxlive.ign.com/articles/112/1126734p1.html
HeresSomeWeapons
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Hilary Goldstein...what a twat. Thanks for spoiling the final level for me. Also, IGN's scoring system is horrible. How he can give the game an 8.0 but rate most of it's parts at 6 or 7 makes no sense.
The Technomancer
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I'm not even a huge Mega Man fan, and I'll agree that the level design of 9 and 10 felt very different from that of say, 2.Segata Sanshiro said:
Honestly at this point the only thing that bugs me about Sonic 4 is how blatantly they ripped off the old level themes. That's not what I was hoping from a new entry guys, I've already played Casino Night.
RobbieNick
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Segata Sanshiro said:
I love you man.:lol
Diablohead
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Maybe not the same code base but damn it has a lot of familiar things about it, full on dimps.dark10x said:
ThatObviousUser
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Segata Sanshiro said:
The thing is I'm not a classic hog fan. :lol I never even really played much Sonic until the Virtual Console. I'm just sick of the cycle and Sega doing everything it can to keep it going. As I said, I fully hope and expect Colors to break it, with Episode 2 hopefully continuing that. But Episode 1 still had it, even if it's a good game.
Diablohead
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I fully expect someone like ruby to report that in ep2 physics can't be changed because it will break the lock-on effect for tails in ep1, or something like that. I know nothing is confirmed but hey that's how the last 3 month delay went, we sat there twiddling thumbs and guessing to find that they were unable to edit the physics engine due to breaking stuff.
I can't agree that Sonic Rush can be included in the same category as Sonic 3. Completely different games with different philosophies. For one, bottomless pits and cheap enemy placement didn't factor in to Sonic 3. Rush is not a classic. I could not finish it.
In that sense, Sonic 4 is part of the Rush lineage. Cheap enemy placement, reliance on homing attack and "speed." I'll pass. I would have actually been happier with Sonic 1, 2, 3/k remade in HD.
And the music is actually irritating. What a shitload of fuck.
In that sense, Sonic 4 is part of the Rush lineage. Cheap enemy placement, reliance on homing attack and "speed." I'll pass. I would have actually been happier with Sonic 1, 2, 3/k remade in HD.
And the music is actually irritating. What a shitload of fuck.
Well, that's slightly encouraging. But I also can't shake the feeling that the title started life on iPhone and most of its gameplay tenets are based around it. In fact, the homing seems like an adaptation for a lack of good controls on a touchscreen platform.dark10x said:
Like many have already said, it's not hard to replicate something even if it's from 1991. Capcom did it for a game released in 1988. Nintendo didn't port SMB for NSMB, but they get what makes people like Mario in the first place and developed NSMB accordingly.
ShadiWulf said:
IGN Review said:
O_O
Let's not forget: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qomm9W0vktg
So the only level that SEGA took out in the console version was the Casino Nights Act 2 level and replaced it with cards?
*facepalm*
The whole review sounds like a disappointment. Aside from the cards level, the review describes levels exactly like the build leaked months ago.
dark10x said:
i don't know about that man. the third act on the casino stage is rife with them. as is the labyrinth zone stage... and splash hill or whatever it's called..
nah, the game has a lot more bottomless pits than the classic sonic games. plus, many instances in which you have to traverse them with enemy bridges.