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SONIC THE HEDGEHOG 4 or AGAINST |OT| of Huelen in Green-Eyed Heaven
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Phoenix Fang
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Andrex said:
Truth hurts. I understand that all you can do is laugh.
Diablohead
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AGAINSTDeVeAn said:
Aaron Strife
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I will argue to the death that Sonic 3 & Knuckles is the greatest platforman ever.Andrex said:
Actually I'd say it's tied with Yoshi's Island. I say tied because my opinion on the greatest platforman ever is largely dependent on which of those two I happen to be playing at the time. No VC release of the latter has tipped the scales in Sonic 3's favor.
I'm still kind of middled over Sonic 4, but glad it's getting positive reviews, and it is a huge step in the right direction. Casino Street actually looks really fun in those new videos (along with Lost Labyrinth and Mad Gear).
Catalix
And on the sixth day the LORD David Bowie created man and woman in His image. And he saw that it was good. On the seventh day the LORD created videogames so that He might take the bloody day off for once.
I guess anyone posting "negative shit" must not be a real fan.DeVeAn said:
That's... not how it works :lol No way this game is getting off that easy around here.DeVeAn said:
I'm inclined to agree. The only reason I don't put Unleashed on the top of my list is nostalgia and how much of an impact SA 1 & 2 had on me. Otherwise, Unleashed is the best of the bunch due to it being significantly less glitchy, more focused and feeling more refined all-around.Aaron Strife said:
Jazzy Network
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The only thing going against SA2 was the Knuckles levels. The Tails levels weren't that bad and the Sonic levels as usual were great. Very underated imo.
Mama Robotnik
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DeVeAn said:
Where are you getting this from, really?
We have two positive reviews from invalid sources.
(1) Gamesradar gave it 9 out of 10. Their publisher is infamous for accepting bribes to give broken games 9 out of 10, see this for the most pronounced example. Source invalid.
(2) IGN's Hilary gave it 8 out of 10. Discounting that this is IGN we are talking about (who are infamous for having no peer review process or quality control over their published reviews), we can just consider that this is the same pillock who said GTA4 was oscar worthy. Source invalid.
A positive reception is when they get some sites that actually matter (and no, this doesn't include Gamespot). I'm thinking EDGE and GamesTM, and probably Eurogamer too (despite their flaws).
Regarding positive fan reaction - no, there are a few unfounded voices in this thread claiming "Sonic is back" on the basis of two wholly invalid reviews, but the most of us are not making such broad statements.
If this game does well (in both reviews and fan reception), then I'll concede its well received. I won't like it, I won't like the direction its gone in, and I won't respect a game that can't even get the fucking physics right, but I'll acknowledge a positive reception. At the moment its too early for you and I to say,
Segata Sanshiro
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Why do I have the feeling you're going to find a way to "SOURCE INVALID" any positive reviews this game gets?Mama Robotnik said:
This is starting to look like a grudge-fuck, man. Given the obvious animosity you have towards this project, I'm gonna have to go ahead and say anything you say about the game isn't going to be a fair assessment. Source invalid.
Mama Robotnik
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Segata Sanshiro said:
Ah but I've (repeatedly in this thread) named the review sources I consider valid already. EDGE, GamesTM and Eurogamer. I have no issues with those sites, and if it gets a positive reception there then so be it.
So I don't really understand whay you're getting at. Are my reasons for having disdain towards Gamesradar/IGN not valid?
Segata Sanshiro said:
Of course I'm not a valid source for a review, I've not played the game! My observations (broken physics, ugly, bad mechanics, rip-off price) are based off the trailers and I'm happy to admit that. I've not seen anything to discount said observations either. But then, I'm not reviewing it or pretending to.
I've not played it. I may do, one day, but I'm only buying it on heavily-discounted compilation disc in the future second-hand so Sega don't see any of my money for it.
Dead Man Typing
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I have my points ready for Wednesday. The quality of the trial version will determine my purchase or not.
I don't think I can trust any review out there, positive or negative, to tell me what I need to know about Sonic 4.
The trial version is going to be the make or break for a lot of people.
I don't think I can trust any review out there, positive or negative, to tell me what I need to know about Sonic 4.
The trial version is going to be the make or break for a lot of people.
Segata Sanshiro
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Why those three in particular? Do you believe them to be entirely free of controversy? Because I can poo-poo those down just as fast as you've poo-poo'd down the others. In a bloody right hurry. Like, if EDGE gives it a 6, are you going to acknowledge it's better than Dragon Age?Mama Robotnik said:
Mama Robotnik
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Segata Sanshiro said:
No, of course they're not (though while we are here, what's GamesTM done wrong as I'm genuinely unaware of it?).
Even if I disagree with these mags/sites, I generally see where they are coming from in their reviews and find I respect their opinion even if I disagree with it. I've also not seen any problems on a scale as utterly destroying as the ones I posted about IGN/Gamesradar (and Gamespot for that matter) that truly invalidate the opinions of those sites in my eyes.
Segata Sanshiro said:
Can you show me a time either site were bribed to score a broken game highly, or were forced to make a public apology because their reviewer didn't understand the genre and scored it lowly because it wasnit a different genre? Or (in terms of Gamespot) fired its reviewers based on them not giving a high review to a sponsor's game? Becuase that's the level at which I invalidate a review source completely.
Segata Sanshiro said:
(1) I'd acknowledge that EDGE received the game better than they received Dragon Age, because its their review we are talking about and not mine, and
(2) I've not played Dragon Age.
CurseoftheGods
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Segata Sanshiro: Possibly the most rational person in this thread.
Real talk.
Real talk.
Segata Sanshiro
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Christ, if that's the case, we're all in a lot of trouble.CurseoftheGods said:
Upsidedown Fuji
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He's just one of the few in here that is willing to actually discuss more openly and doesn't hold much back when he feels somebodys off in reasoning. He's been really good at focusing the discussion even if sometimes I may not agree completely with what he says. I have found to respect his opinion because he's very good at expressing himself in text. Something that isn't very common on the internet.CurseoftheGods said:
Anyhow, yeah there are people here that are stuck on one side of the spectrum or the other to a fault but if it weren't for those members we'd probably would have all but forgotten about this game releasing.
It is kind of nice this is the first somewhat positive thread for Sonic 4.
Paracelsus
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Both Sonic Rush and Rush Adventure are Dimps games and both average above 80%. If this game wasn't called Sonic The Hedgehog 4 people wouldn't have a problem, but Segata said it better, the bickering has been taken waay too far and it won't change a thing. Not to say old school Sonic is back, that's a claim I wouldn't accept so easily, especially from early reviews.
Diablohead
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Welcome to episode 1! it's 4 zones with 3 acts each, then a boss act seperate to the end of act 3 and then there's a hidden area at the end.KevinCow said:
Azure Dream
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KevinCow said:
4 Zones, 3 full Acts apiece, plus separate Acts for each boss fight, and the final gauntlet level and seven special stages. It is what it is.
Edit: Diablo got there while I was trimming the TL;DR out of my post.
Freeza Under The Shower
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Jazzy Network said:
and Robotnik, and whatever the fuck that things name is (the bat), and tails, and the Black guy (a right, shadow the shithog).
Did I miss one? The only and really the ONLY good thing in SA2 is Sonic. The rest is utter garbage.
Sure, the gamecube version, but that shouldn't make much of a difference.
Segata Sanshiro
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Know who else gave GTA IV a 10? EDGE.AniHawk said:
Jazzy Network
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Um the Shadow levels were just Sonic levels except he's black. The Tails levels were short and easy. If you're bitching about the characters fine, but you can't tell me the Shadow levels were shit, unless I missed him having something different.Zeitgeister said:
Anticitizen One
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whatever the game is gonna sell a ton and people will love it while you guys remain misreable nitpicking everything to death.
The Technomancer
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Jman, weren't you working on some kind of Sonic fan project at one point?jman2050 said:Sonic Adventure 2 is several orders of magnitude more fun than Unleashed, and that's even taking into account the questionable emerald hunting missions and all of Eternal Engine.
Why would I be miserable when all the good Sonic games still exist
MiamiWesker
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All sonic threads end up like this don't they.
I can't wait till monday so we can start to play it ourselves. I don't think it will be that good but I hope to be surprised.
I can't wait till monday so we can start to play it ourselves. I don't think it will be that good but I hope to be surprised.
Hitlersaurus Christ
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Speaking of which, are any of DM Ashura's tracks for the game available online? I really dug the Sunny Shore theme from what little I could hear of it in Tweaker's update video.jman2050 said:
Also, are you by by chance the same Jman who posted that awesome ska version of Sonic Boom on the GHZ a long time back? I've always wondered.
CurseoftheGods
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jman2050 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luuWNGyloZY
I see a lot of similarities to Sonic 4, particularly in how the homing attack is implemented.
CurseoftheGods said:
Indeed, which is why I never really had a problem with the homing attack or boosters in the first place (though Megamix's level design is still pretty rough in places, to be fair).
Hitlersaurus Christ said:
I couldn't really answer this for you, sorry.
Nah, I would never be able to do something that awesome by myself.
Sapiens
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jman2050 said:
SMM is still ongoing?
I thought it was done with the release of the MCD.ISO.
What else do you guys have planned?
I loved MM - especially the option to play the original with the new moves.
One complaint though - I'm always getting stuck on the walls in the Starlight Zone remix stage. FIX IT, PLEASE!
Destructoid review of the iPhone version: http://www.destructoid.com/review-sonic-the-hedgehog-4-episode-1-iphone--185959.phtml
Diablohead
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The music makes it :lol :lol :lol :lol(._.) said:
Mama Robotnik
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(._.) said:
Hahahaha! Oh god, until I realised it was a joke I was starting to twitch.
Regarding the Destructoid review, seems like they liked it. Certainly interesting to read their feedback on the minecart.
Is Labyrinth Zone in the original Sonic really that hated? I really liked the level.
Aaron Strife
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mama robotnik will rage(._.) said:
fucking music :lol
Mama Robotnik
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DR2K said:
Why, what have Destructoid done?
Net_Wrecker
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I gotta say that I actually like the look of Sonic's full speed running animation now. Looks closer to the Smash Bros Brawl run which is the best looking one ever IMO. Also, the Casino Zone running on the cards thing is pretty cool. IDK, I'll probably still pick this up down the road sometime.