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SONIC THE HEDGEHOG 4 or AGAINST |OT| of Huelen in Green-Eyed Heaven
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Yeah, this is basically the worst offending thing someone can say about this game. Frankly, it's hilarious how it can be said with a straight faceTL4E said:
All the haters got now is "bad physics" (which I'm glad doesn't really get noticed by me let alone bother me)
Pretty much. I was ready to settle for a quality of "good, even if not for a Sonic game," but there are simply too many games with good controls to put up with this bullshit.jman2050 said:
I think the thing that disappointed me most is the fact that there was a lot of wasted potential here. This game didn't have to turn out this way.
ismaboof said:
You have a PC so you're set. And no I'm not talking about emulation (though that is an option!)
http://www.tigsource.com is a good start.
Zomba13
Member
At the very least it does become that with Super Sonic on almost all levels (maybe even all?)TL4E said:
Not hold right to win, but hold right and jump when you see a hole or raised thing.
Some of the levels really have too many boosters and springs, like the game doesn't trust you to go the right way so it has to keep pushing you in the right direction.
PeakPointMatrix
Member
:lolloosus said:
Dark Octave
Banned
I just played the Japanese demo.
I have been reserving my judgment and hadn't chosen a side, just laughing and entertained by the crying and defending. Thanks guys it's been a great few months.
As for the momentum/physics when you jump, I don't mind that Sonic stops dead in his tracks so much. It was kind of tricky to readjust Sonic in the older games when trying to jump on small moving platforms because he had so much follow through with his jumps. So with that said, I welcome his abrupt stop in the air when you let go of the directional pad.
Where the problem for me comes in is his roll and running. Hitting springs and going through a loop should supply enough momentum to push you through a good chunk of the level provided there is nothing in the way. Doing this in the demo, Sonic could barley make it up the hill not five Sonic lengths away from the loop. I let go of the D-pad and he just stops. I keep holding forward and he goes only a little further.
I read here someone saying hold diagonal down/forward to keep momentum. Sorry to sound like a hivemind but, that's not how it's supposed to work. You're supposed to be able to put the controller down and Sonic should keep rolling or running a good distance until he hits either a wall, an enemy or he slows down in a more natural fashion over time.
Nitpicks: Why on earth would they make him slowly walk and build up to a run? And I really don't care for the squished running animation with the oval pinwheel underneath him. Also his flipping, full speed running, and spin ball animations are too slow for the speed he's going most of the time.
The haters are right, I hate to say it. They kinda messed this game up.
Everything else is great. The look, the feel (of the environments), the sound (for the most part). C'mon Sega wtf dude!
I'm on the fence...
I have been reserving my judgment and hadn't chosen a side, just laughing and entertained by the crying and defending. Thanks guys it's been a great few months.
As for the momentum/physics when you jump, I don't mind that Sonic stops dead in his tracks so much. It was kind of tricky to readjust Sonic in the older games when trying to jump on small moving platforms because he had so much follow through with his jumps. So with that said, I welcome his abrupt stop in the air when you let go of the directional pad.
Where the problem for me comes in is his roll and running. Hitting springs and going through a loop should supply enough momentum to push you through a good chunk of the level provided there is nothing in the way. Doing this in the demo, Sonic could barley make it up the hill not five Sonic lengths away from the loop. I let go of the D-pad and he just stops. I keep holding forward and he goes only a little further.
I read here someone saying hold diagonal down/forward to keep momentum. Sorry to sound like a hivemind but, that's not how it's supposed to work. You're supposed to be able to put the controller down and Sonic should keep rolling or running a good distance until he hits either a wall, an enemy or he slows down in a more natural fashion over time.
Nitpicks: Why on earth would they make him slowly walk and build up to a run? And I really don't care for the squished running animation with the oval pinwheel underneath him. Also his flipping, full speed running, and spin ball animations are too slow for the speed he's going most of the time.
The haters are right, I hate to say it. They kinda messed this game up.
Everything else is great. The look, the feel (of the environments), the sound (for the most part). C'mon Sega wtf dude!
I'm on the fence...
Diablohead
Member
10 to 11 am GMT, not sure what time that is elsewhere.7echnicolor said:
Cell_Biology
Member
Just purchased on PSN.
I want to finally see what everyone is talking about. I was playing Sonic 3 last night, so it should be interesting to see how I adapt to the new game.
I want to finally see what everyone is talking about. I was playing Sonic 3 last night, so it should be interesting to see how I adapt to the new game.
Diablohead
Member
Oh dear.Cell_Biology said:
And why pay first? demo that shit!
Teetris said:
Bad physics (which also translates to bad controls), bad music, and bad animations (the running animation...it really is terrible). I mean, if you jump during a spindash and aren't holding right all momentum is instantly lost and you fly straight up in the air. :lol That's just wrong, even if there wasn't a 20-year precedent for how it should behave.
I'm not in the "haters" camp at all but those are all totally valid criticisms and pretending like they don't matter makes you seem far more hopeless than the haters you admonish. I'm pretty much completely indifferent to the game. I was hoping it would turn out well and I would LOVE a new 2D Sonic that could stand on it's own without relying on shamelessly retreading old designs and ideas. Nostalgia is all this game has going for it and I'm just as happy replaying the original 3 games over than spending money on this, and that's exactly what I plan on doing.
I AM JOHN!
Banned
It has Sonic 3 and Sonic and Knuckles. So if you want to play both games, go to town!B.K. said:
If, however, you wanted to play the game as it was meant to be played for some bizarre reason, you're out of luck, because Backbone and Sega are smart companies who make incredibly sound business decisions.
Dark Octave
Banned
I've played the demo like 30 times trying to either get used to this or determine it's not going to work for me.luka said:
You know, I have the Sega collection on 360 and I have yet to play Sonic 3 ever.
PeakPointMatrix
Member
I too would like to know how they butcher the ports? I've only played their Puzzle Fighter Remix, which I really enjoyed. Haven't played their other projects..B.K. said:
Diablohead
Member
Nope, only way for that is the older last gen collections or xbla versions. the megadrive collection has both games but no way to lock-on.B.K. said:
For example:SwiftSketcher said:
- Not putting Sonic 3 & Knuckles in Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection. The emulation scene has been able to do this for years but apparently not them.
- Completely broken online play in Marvel vs. Capcom 2. This has since been patched, but it was busted for quite a while.
- Removing the ability to input cheat codes in Comix Zone by removing access to the menu and sound test.
- Messing up the two-player continue system in Gunstar Heroes.
And that's not even close to all of their shenanigans. I wish Capcom and Sega would stop hiring them to ruin their games.
Diablohead said:
Also the Virtual Console versions.
Mama Robotnik said:
Mama, I wrote this review last night. I think you'll find it more to your liking than any of those from the bigger sites.
MiamiWesker
Member
OnPoint said:
That is a perfect review, exactly how I feel about it.
Upsidedown Fuji
Member
Roto13 said:
I didn't even realise how bad the UGC was. I own it and the seperate versions of each borked game on that disc on XBLA. I did know about lack of lock-on for s3&n but not the screwed up 2p continue system in Gunstar Heroes and the lack of sound test in Comix Zone. Man, thats dumb.
Diablohead
Member
Visually yes, gameplay more like 25% sonic 1 75% time attack maze.B.K. said:
At least the ultimate collection allows you to use the sonic 3 save screen, it's completely chopped out on the xbla release, annoying as shit.Upsidedown Fuji said:
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B.K. said:
Really? I find Sonic 1's special stages to be way easier than the special stages in Sonic 2 and 3. The special stages in Sonic 2 still makes me rage. Fuck 'em.
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fernoca said:
Whoah. :lol I'd get it on Wii just because of the download time differences.
dark10x said:
Sorry, but for some people (like me) it not playing like the Genesis/Megadrive series is EXACTLY what kills it for us. This is supposed to appeal to "fans of the old (Genesis) games" and it isn't. Sorry.
To get to the special stages? Yes.
The special stages in Sonic 1 weren't bad. I liked them, but they were fucking annoying with having to break through a diamond to get the emerald. Only to screw up and hit a gate. FFFFF.
The Gunstar Heroes and Comix Zone problems are in the XBLA/PSN versions. The Ultimate Genesis Collection version of Comix Zone doesn't have a special menu so the sound test is in there. And Gunstar Heroes isn't in Ultimate Genesis Collection.Upsidedown Fuji said:
EDIT: I just played the demo and I don't think it's really bad. The homing attack doesn't ruin the game or anything. Physics definitely aren't the same as the Genesis games, though.
Hero of Legend
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MiamiWesker said:
I guess you could say he was ONPOINT!
*shot*
As for me, I'll hold off for a while to see if this will actually be re-released in a Complete Edition on disk, and wait for that to drop to $20.