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[Teknoman]

Yeah i'm surprised how much I actually like the homing attack in this context. If only there was some way Sega could...patch Sonic's acceleration speed. Once he gets going, its all good.

 

[jman2050]

Oh sure NOW people acknowledge that the homing attack wasn't a bad idea in the first place, I've only been saying that from the beginning.

Did any of you even play Megamix?

 

[Synless]

Bought!!!!!!

 

[Lan_97]

I like the homing attack because Sonic moves so awkwardly in this game. Otherwise, it feels unnecessary for enemies/items/obstacles, and the homing paths feel forced in.

 

[TheHakku]

Is the Labyrinth zone 3 and boss a carbon copy of Sonic 1 or what?

Whaaaaaaat. Better not be. I could never get past the rising water at the end of act 3. :/ Just quit at the stupid torch puzzle.

 

[Teknoman]

Meh torch puzzle was easy. The first time you see its timing based, it should be obvious what you need to do.

You know, they really didnt have to try and make old school sounding music...that really doesnt sound old school. I think the problem is, the tracks loop too early.

 

[Cmagus]

Yeah so I just finished this game and I gotta say what a piece of garbage it is.Like everything about this game is not fun.It's slow, the controls are awkward, the homing attack is uneeded, the levels are boring, the puzzles are awful (torches give me a fucking break how tiresome).The only redeeming quality here is the soundtrack it's great.The point of sonic is to go fast this game isn't in the slightest bit.I don't understand why they can't just make a sonic game that feels and plays like the originals it's not hard and it would certainly be better than this shit what a waste of money.

 

[jman2050]

The songs are actually all pretty awesome compositions. Their arrangements just suck horribly, a direct result of trying too hard to sound chiptuney.

 

[OnPoint]

Yeah so I just finished this game and I gotta say what a piece of garbage it is.Like everything about this game is not fun.It's slow, the controls are awkward, the homing attack is uneeded, the levels are boring, the puzzles are awful (torches give me a fucking break how tiresome).The only redeeming quality here is the soundtrack it's great.The point of sonic is to go fast this game isn't in the slightest bit.I don't understand why they can't just make a sonic game that feels and plays like the originals it's not hard and it would certainly be better than this shit what a waste of money.

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[Dark Octave]

Yeah i'm surprised how much I actually like the homing attack in this context. If only there was some way Sega could...patch Sonic's acceleration speed. Once he gets going, its all good.

I don't mind the homing attack either. It adds a little something to the table.

They need to skip his walk animation and start off straight into his jog. That's leftovers from the 3D Sonic games.

 

[Varion]

Good lord the 'get all rings and finish special stage 1' trophy makes me want to punch something. Giving up for now, I always either do really well then accidentally slide through the one-way wall, get caught in the spring balls near the end, or run out of time right near the end.

 

[MidnightScott]

I hate the homing attack, and I hate how Sonic stops immediately. I have trouble performing normal platforming for crying out loud! Quit leaving bad tastes in my mouth SEGA...>>;

I think we can agree that all of the Sonic games have good music, despite their gameplay being a huge suckfest.

 

[Synless]

Wow, I'm loving this so far. I will say though that Casino Night Zone 2 is a haven for earning 1ups. You get so many it's ridiculous.

 

[loosus]

Oh sure NOW people acknowledge that the homing attack wasn't a bad idea in the first place, I've only been saying that from the beginning.

Did any of you even play Megamix?

From what I've seen, that game instituted more of a "dash" than a real homing attack.

 

[dark10x]

You know, the most disappointing thing for me with this game is actually the music. It's all a bit too happy for my tastes. I kind of wish they had not taken this route as the one thing Sonic games have continued to excel at even during the dark times has been audio. The music has been consistently good. Even Sonic 2006 has a great soundtrack. This is probably the blandest the series has seen in a while. Better than the GBA games, for sure, but still not great.

Also, Sonic CD is Exhibit A on how integral Yuji Naka was to the original Sonic Team. The programming in Sonic CD is an absolute mess, and I can only sympathize with the poor dude that had to take Naka's engine and build a new game out of it without any of his skill.

Yeah, the performance was TERRIBLE for a 16-bit game. It was intended to show off the Sega CD, but the framerate dropped all the time. It was terribly unoptimized.

I feel as if they simply tried to cram as many tiles and sprites into the Sonic 1 engine as they could and simply hit a wall that would have required some skillful programming to solve.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

From what I've seen, that game instituted more of a "dash" than a real homing attack.

No, it was definitely a homing attack. It even homed in on rings. I think we can trust jman's classification on this one.

 

[ScrabbleBanshee]

The demo was deleted in record time. Feels like sonic is stepping through a dead bog until he gets going... game doesn't even look any good. Trying too hard to go retro. Fail... they're not going to sell this junk, and they still need to finish the other episodes?

 

[Kujo]

Just tried it, the physics system is great, superior than the old 2D ones

 

[Crash Station]

Demo didn't seem that bad but it really isn't long enough to judge properly. I might buy it on a whim eventually, but I think I'll hold off for now.

 

[jman2050]

No, it was definitely a homing attack. It even homed in on rings. I think we can trust jman's classification on this one.

The homing attack homes in on enemies and monitors only. There's a seperate button for the light-speed dash when you approach a line of rings.

I can't take credit for either of those, chalk it up to a great implementation from the other main programmer.

Just tried it, the physics system is great, superior than the old 2D ones

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

does anyone know what the deal was with all of that "you dont have to use the homing attack" pr bullshit that was spewed before this game came out? there are several spots in the demo alone where you have to use it

 

[sonikokaruto]

bought the iphone version

just bought the wii version, will play thru it too

 

[riceandbeans]

does anyone know what the deal was with all of that "you dont have to use the homing attack" pr bullshit that was spewed before this game came out? there are several spots in the demo alone where you have to use it

It was bullshit. You have to use it. There's too many points where it's a must or else. I found myself getting killed because by bosses for stupid reasons by not using it. And I also found myself getting killed because of it when Sonic gets out of the ball. Just another one of the stupid little things that killed my fun with the game besides the sloth control.

 

[Zen]

does anyone know what the deal was with all of that "you dont have to use the homing attack" pr bullshit that was spewed before this game came out? there are several spots in the demo alone where you have to use it

You don't have to use it to beat the levels is almost completely true. there's no place in the demo where you have to use it to progress to the end. There's 2 instances where using it will allow you to get something that you'd otherwise have been unable to reach, however.

Having played the demo twice, the initial acelleration speed is too slow, it would have made a big difference (read: Improvement) if the initial acelleration (prior to him breaking out into a decent jog and then run animation) was as default at the rate you go when using the speed shoes.

Fix the physics up for Episode II, please!

 

[RagnarokX]

You don't have to use it to beat the levels is almost completely true. there's no place in the demo where you have to use it to progress to the end. There's 2 instances where using it will allow you to get something that you'd otherwise have been unable to reach, however.

Having played the demo twice, the initial acelleration speed is too slow, it would have made a big difference (read: Improvement) if the initial acelleration (prior to him breaking out into a decent jog and then run animation) was as default at the rate you go when using the speed shoes.

Fix the physics up for Episode II, please!

If you didn't uncurl off of ramps it might be better, but sometimes they launch you into the air and you have to avoid the enemy bridge and fall back down to the low path.

 

[Ranger X]

- Game sure isn't pretty (especially Sonic's animations)
- Camera is too near, you can't see shit coming.
- Music is standard fare leaning towards boring.
- Physics are fucked up.
- Sonic doesn't feel right, starts slow, etc.

In short, I am deceived. I am not buying this thing.

 

[Teknoman]

Just tried it, the physics system is great, superior than the old 2D ones

Now you're just fishing.

The demo was deleted in record time. Feels like sonic is stepping through a dead bog until he gets going... game doesn't even look any good. Trying too hard to go retro. Fail... they're not going to sell this junk, and they still need to finish the other episodes?

Its probably going to sell well...look at the reviews, and you know how people flock to games that review well from major sites.

If you didn't uncurl off of ramps it might be better, but sometimes they launch you into the air and you have to avoid the enemy bridge and fall back down to the low path.

Yeah, if you want to go flying through the air, and not get knocked out by an enemy, homing attack is mandatory. I really dont know why they decided to make Sonic unroll after taking off from a ramp. If they kept it the way it should've been, the homing attack would've still been useful for certain sections.

 

[enzo_gt]

Just tried it, the physics system is great, superior than the old 2D ones

 

[Blueblur1]

The demo was deleted in record time. Feels like sonic is stepping through a dead bog until he gets going... game doesn't even look any good. Trying too hard to go retro. Fail... they're not going to sell this junk, and they still need to finish the other episodes?

Posts like these make me laugh. Of course, they also make me lose faith in humanity. Hint hint: ignorance

 

[gutter_trash]

okay, I had played Sonic 2 really recently on my Sega Genesis Collection (PSP),
and I cannot play Sonic 4 because I am playing it wrong, I am playing Sonic 4 as if it was a Genesis game and I am totally not enjoying Sonic 4 (demo)

I run into a loop, I am not going fast enough, I stop inside the loop.. like completely stopped.. lol what

the jumping off cliffs is bizarre!!! Instead of continuously running with a run animation, he does this stupid OH NO falling animation .. i hate it

sorry people, Sonic 4 is not a Genesis Sonic game

 

[Roto13]

The demo was deleted in record time. Feels like sonic is stepping through a dead bog until he gets going... game doesn't even look any good. Trying too hard to go retro. Fail... they're not going to sell this junk, and they still need to finish the other episodes?

Sonic games sell, regardless of quality. Come on. Everyone knows this.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

- Game sure isn't pretty (especially Sonic's animations)
- Camera is too near, you can't see shit coming.
- Music is standard fare leaning towards boring.
- Physics are fucked up.
- Sonic doesn't feel right, starts slow, etc.

In short, I am deceived. I am not buying this thing.

So it's like the Genesis games?

 

[Ranger X]

So it's like the Genesis games?

haha nice try. But in my opinion no. God fucking no. Genesis games are feeling "right" and this one totally feels "off" to me.
It's like an old Genesis game in looks but with the 3D Sonic physics... of suck.

 

[riceandbeans]

You don't have to use it to beat the levels is almost completely true. there's no place in the demo where you have to use it to progress to the end. There's 2 instances where using it will allow you to get something that you'd otherwise have been unable to reach, however.

Having played the demo twice, the initial acelleration speed is too slow, it would have made a big difference (read: Improvement) if the initial acelleration (prior to him breaking out into a decent jog and then run animation) was as default at the rate you go when using the speed shoes.

Fix the physics up for Episode II, please!

That's just the demo. The later levels require it more.

BTW, is there an easy method for collecting all the emeralds? I kinda sorta want to play the Super Sonic section but levels like Labryinth Zone Act 2 and Casino Street Act 2 are just a pain in the ass.

 

[gutter_trash]

So it's like the Genesis games?

it's nothing like the Genesis games;

I had to pop in Sonic & Knuckles right after so I can unlearn what I have experienced with this demo and return to Genesis goodness

I cannot play Sonic 4 because it feels like that I playing it wrong because I think it is supposed to be like Genesis game but doesn't feel, steer and gas like one

 

[Big One]

Just played the demo...mygod, what is wrong with the physics?! Even Rush and Advance weren't this bad honestly, this is horrible.

 

[Teknoman]

That's just the demo. The later levels require it more.

BTW, is there an easy method for collecting all the emeralds? I kinda sorta want to play the Super Sonic section but levels like Labryinth Zone Act 2 and Casino Street Act 2 are just a pain in the ass.

Nah Act 2 is easy. Just play through like a normal platformer, and when you reach the torch puzzle section, light the first to see, then the one that triggers the small verticals, wait a few seconds and trigger the horizontal. Dash on through, and its smooth sailing from there.

 

[mr_nothin]

Where's the demo?? I wanna try this out.
Is the demo for 360?

 

[Zen]

Just played the demo...mygod, what is wrong with the physics?! Even Rush and Advance weren't this bad honestly, this is horrible.

I remember trying to build a Sonic Physics engine once and having a quasi hack for 'rolling' where you had to hold down forward/down to go faster when rolling down the hill. Oddly enough you can do that in Sonic 4. :lol

Aside from that I'm liking it well enough but I haven't played anywhere near enough to really give an opinion on it.

 

[Teknoman]

To be honest, I always held the direction I was moving even while rolling in the classic Sonics, so it's second nature to me here. The problem is, Sonic never seems to be able to go flying off a ramp while rolling.

Think we'll get some patches for the game? Also did Sega's JP PR section bill it as a return to the classics as well, or was it just the NA/EU side of things?

As far as being worth of the name Sonic the Hedgehog 4, i'm going to wait till all the episodes are out.

Oh and Sonic 4 Ep1 demo should've been Splash Hill Act 1 and 2 at least.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

To be honest, I always held the direction I was moving even while rolling in the classic Sonics, so it's second nature to me here. The problem is, Sonic never seems to be able to go flying off a ramp while rolling.

Think we'll get some patches for the game? Also did Sega's JP PR section bill it as a return to the classics as well, or was it just the NA/EU side of things?

I don't think they billed it as much of anything, given Japan doesn't give even a fifth of a fuck as much about Sonic as EU/NA do.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

I don't think they billed it as much of anything, given Japan doesn't give even a fifth of a fuck as much about Sonic as EU/NA do.

That is because they're sensible people. :bow great Nippon :bow

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

That is because they're sensible people. :bow great Nippon :bow

NA/EU buy crappy broken hog games, Japanese buy awesome-ass Ryu ga Gotoku games. Yeah, I'll get in on this :bow.

 

[Teknoman]

I don't think they billed it as much of anything, given Japan doesn't give even a fifth of a fuck as much about Sonic as EU/NA do.

News to me...then again I know no region could match EU as far as Sonic fans go.

Edit: Since the teams handling Sonic games seem to somewhat listen to criticism, I wonder if they'll change composers for episode 2/ put more of an effort into the tracks. I havent played all the stages yet ( only Splash hill and Lost labyrinth), but the themes (aside from Splash hill act 3, boss battle phase 2, the start/continue screen, world map, and Lost Labyrinth act 2) sound "empty".

That and someone should've thrown a Spring Yard style theme in there for the Casino area.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

NA/EU buy crappy broken hog games

And the truth of your opinion on Sonic 4 comes out!

 

[cantona222]

I'm gonna buy the game today on XBLA.

OP: nice job on the thread. Keep it up.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

And the truth of your opinion on Sonic 4 comes out!

Nah, we don't know the sales on this one yet. I was more referring to the embarrassing popularity of Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic Heroes, etc. in EU/NA.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

Nah, we don't know the sales on this one yet. I was more referring to the embarrassing popularity of Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic Heroes, etc. in EU/NA.

I blame the crappy comics and TV show.

 

[mr_nothin]

Where's the demo?? I wanna try this out.
Is the demo for 360?

Anybody?

 

[Teknoman]

Anybody?

Its for PS3. 360 comes out later Wednesday. Just a heads up, Splash Hill act 1 really isnt all that complex.