Segata Sanshiro
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Not up yet. The PS3 demo/game is up, the Wii game is up, the 360 demo/game will go up at the regular scheduled XBLA update time.mr_nothin said:
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SONIC THE HEDGEHOG 4 or AGAINST |OT| of Huelen in Green-Eyed Heaven
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To Far Away Times
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Mama Robotnik said:
This review is the shittiest shit that was ever shat. Not that I value any "professional" game critic's opinion over any other random blog or forum post, but this is especially bad. Might as well hand over your gamer's jacket if you think Sonic 4 is an improvement over the "awkward platforming" of the genesis classics.
HeresSomeWeapons
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So, I've been playing this game on PS3 pretty much since it's been out, and I think it's pretty great. The physics are different from the Genesis games, but once you get used to it and realize what you can and can't do with them, the game is really fun. And the homing attack that everyone keeps bitching about isn't game breaking in the slightest, as it still requires timing to hit enemies with it. And the final boss is a really fun fight.
It's not quite S&K quality, but it's definitely the absolute best Sonic game that's been on the market since then. And after getting all the emeralds, the little teaser at the end
has me super pumped for Episode 2! Whenever that is...
It's not quite S&K quality, but it's definitely the absolute best Sonic game that's been on the market since then. And after getting all the emeralds, the little teaser at the end
Metal Sonic!
HeresSomeWeapons
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Rewrite said:
jump before robotnik hits the ground, and then hit him before the ground falls apart
Dark Octave
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He is.ULTROS! said:
In Sonic 2 there are parts where the screen can barley keep up with him once he bounces off a spring and into a rolling loopty-loop.
Sonic 4 definitely is the Sonic Rush engine in HD.
Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCGiEIncR7w#t=0m52s
Then watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqxvYkutHNM#t=1m2s
Also in the iPhone version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTBR6XL7eL0
Looks like DIMPS just took the Sonic Rush engine, removed the speed button boost gimmick, and programmed Sonic's acceleration poorly.
I doubt Episode 2 will fix the physics at all. This was a lazy effort by SEGA in terms of making an engine to resemble the Genesis classics.
As long as sales are good, SEGA will not change this. The reviews are already good, so they'll say we don't need to change anything.
Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCGiEIncR7w#t=0m52s
Then watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqxvYkutHNM#t=1m2s
Also in the iPhone version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTBR6XL7eL0
Looks like DIMPS just took the Sonic Rush engine, removed the speed button boost gimmick, and programmed Sonic's acceleration poorly.
I doubt Episode 2 will fix the physics at all. This was a lazy effort by SEGA in terms of making an engine to resemble the Genesis classics.
As long as sales are good, SEGA will not change this. The reviews are already good, so they'll say we don't need to change anything.
Segata Sanshiro
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Man, Sonic Rush is so awesome. I think I'll replay that while I wait for a sale on this. Thanks for the walk down memory lane, Clavier Tekky.claviertekky said:
British Monsoon
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As noted, the acceleration is off and you have too much control of Sonic in the air - you can pretty much stop him dead in mid-air if you make a wrong jump, and that's even without using the homing move to jog you across. Also, the music is downright offensive. It's like an awful pastiche of what Sonic music should sound like, but with none of the charm. Other than that though, I've enjoyed what I played, I like the vibrant and detailed graphics and the level design is pretty good so far. I hate the new Sonic-1-alike special stage though, and don't like having to remember to press triangle for the next stage, or be thrown back to a map screen.
Yeah that was really bm.Marrshu said:
sprsk said:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=159418
Segata Sanshiro
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Oh, I get your point. Do you get mine?claviertekky said:
Also, claviertekky, you do realize that under normal gameplay, this...
... does not happen, right? I mean, honestly, the vast majority of people are not going to give a flying fuck that Sonic manipulated in a unique scenario on a loop causes odd physics like this.
claviertekky said:
... does not happen, right? I mean, honestly, the vast majority of people are not going to give a flying fuck that Sonic manipulated in a unique scenario on a loop causes odd physics like this.
Segata Sanshiro
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Pff, what does that sprsk guy know? He's not even a mod anymore.claviertekky said:
You seem to miss my point. I'll explain it clearer.Marrshu said:
The videos were to confirm that the game uses Rush physics. Now, people are complaining about broken physics controls. My theory is that it was already like that since Sonic Rush. Because of good reviews and possibly positive sales (as even crappy Sonic games are sold well), SEGA is not going to change their engine based on complaints how Sonic accelerates slow or how he can't roll up into a ball and gain momentum.
ThatObviousUser
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Segata Sanshiro said:
I always wondered what happened with that.
Some of you really need a refresher course on the type of weird shit that was possible in the original games if you tried hard enough :lol
Also, am I the only one puzzled at the fact that some people all but admit that the controls are borked to a discernable degree but just kind of toss that criticism aside as only a minor issue? Maybe I'm just weird, but I would think that the controls in a run-and-jump platformer are a pretty damn big deal. Maybe if this was an RPG or adventure game control issues could be offset by the other core elements being exceptional, but in a platformer?
Eh, whatever, I don't even know why I complain so much, I'm fairly certain time will vindicate my position regardless of whatever arguments occur right now.
Also, am I the only one puzzled at the fact that some people all but admit that the controls are borked to a discernable degree but just kind of toss that criticism aside as only a minor issue? Maybe I'm just weird, but I would think that the controls in a run-and-jump platformer are a pretty damn big deal. Maybe if this was an RPG or adventure game control issues could be offset by the other core elements being exceptional, but in a platformer?
Eh, whatever, I don't even know why I complain so much, I'm fairly certain time will vindicate my position regardless of whatever arguments occur right now.
Rewrite
Not as deep as he thinks
I tried it, but I don't think it uploaded my time into the leaderboards. In fact, I don't know how you can get your time attack into the leaderboards. Tried time attack and score attack and every time I'd access the leaderboards to check if my time/score were there...they weren't.Teknoman said:
claviertekky said:
And you're missing my point; It's all irrelevant if SEGA changes it or not. Anyone actually enjoying the game doesn't give two flying duck fucks if Sonic has some slightly irrational movement in a situation they'd never, ever, experience. Likewise, they don't care if the game uses Sonic Rush physics.
Just for shits and giggles, I'm gonna load up Sonic 4 and personally test out the loop example. I'm fairly certain I would have to intentionally trigger it.
EDIT: Case in point, I can't trigger such irrational behavior in normal gameplay.
Wouldnt controls just mean stuff like...lag time between button presses, or responsiveness of the analog/d-pad in the game?
Also I dont think it's Rush physics for the simple fact that you can go flying off a ramp when rolling. Sonic 4 seems to have a limit as to how high/how fast you can actually go.
Yeah, I only saw the same 6 JP scores...not sure whats up with that.
Also I dont think it's Rush physics for the simple fact that you can go flying off a ramp when rolling. Sonic 4 seems to have a limit as to how high/how fast you can actually go.
Rewrite said:
Yeah, I only saw the same 6 JP scores...not sure whats up with that.
BocoDragon
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It was just Robotnik's traps. Said so in the manual.jman2050 said:
It says nothing about Robotnik's traps in any info on Sonic 4, therefore it's just a glitch.
Segata Sanshiro
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Basically, the story is this. A long time ago, Dragona used her hex powers to bring two children into existence. After a while, the illusion was revealed, and although Dragona seemed okay, she actually had deep trauma. Some time later, the trauma resurfaced and she started using her hex powers to destroy mods. Vennt, Mr Angry Face, and others died during this period before she was finally contained.Andrex said:
Unfortunately, Dragona's brother, bishoptl, decided to take advantage of her weakened state and abilities to wish a reality into existence where mods ruled completely. After having this exposed to her, Dragona uttered the words "no more mods". Reality was restored, but several mods woke up to find themselves not mods anymore.
Pretty interesting stuff.
You still don't understand it.Marrshu said:
My theory is that because it uses the Sonic Rush physics, Sonic's movement is off because they programmed that poorly. The rest is just to show how broken that stuff is which is not the point I'm making. It's just to confirm it's Sonic Rush. That's all. I'm not here hyping on what weird stuff happens when you press buttons.
Sonic's slow movement has been that way for a long time since Sonic Rush. They programmed the acceleration poorly. That's my theory. SEGA won't change it for Episode 2 since no one wants to make a big deal about it.
ThatObviousUser
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Segata Sanshiro said:
You should write the GAF Bible. Very poetic stuff here.
claviertekky said:
Fair enough. I don't mean to nag on your case personally, just that both the Sonic 4 and Sonic Rush videos in question are extremely misleading and fraudulent.
On that note, I did finally manage to pull off the physics on one of the loop. It pretty much requires you to go backwards on the ramp in motion, something you'd never do in actual gameplay.
claviertekky said:
I know this is from the beta Act 2. I had a few times this happened in Act 1 today.
yeah it happened with me in Casino street act 1
but i found out that you need to point sonic to the wall to make him keep going .
as example, in this gif you need to keep pressing right .
BlazeHedgehog
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Danthrax said:
It's usually 3am my time (Mountain Standard). So that would mean:
5am Eastern
4am Central
3am Mountain
2am Pacific
HeresSomeWeapons
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They don't show up immediately, but they're there. It should register all your times everytime the go to the leaderboards, but it takes a while before you can see it.Rewrite said:
Aaron Strife
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:lol I actually love sonic 4 but there's no way it's like the Genesis games, and the Genesis games sure as hell didn't have those faults.Andrex said:
People who suck at sonic just take the "hold right to win" meme seriously and run into a badnik like a dumbass. It really isn't that hard.