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SONIC THE HEDGEHOG 4 or AGAINST |OT| of Huelen in Green-Eyed Heaven
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Dead Man Typing
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Diablohead said:
This. I was shocked that holding down seemed to take away from my momentum instead of adding to it like it does in every other 2D Sonic game. I haven't bought the game yet, I'm trying to use the current "spend 2400 points, get 800 back" offer to rationalise paying 1200 points for this, just so I can experience the full game and judge it properly.
But the trial has put me off somewhat. I'll make my decision later tonight.
BlazeHedgehog
Member
Lost Labyrinth Act 2 is probably the best level in this entire game. The torch mechanic is implemented surprisingly well. Better than anything else has been implemented in this entire game.
It's almost like they spent 90% of the delay polishing up that one level.
It's almost like they spent 90% of the delay polishing up that one level.
Diablohead
Member
You can counter the sluggish rolling by keeping forward held down but another problem appears, the levels are not designed for rolling at all so you either hit another boost which lay everywhere or you hit a spring.Dead Man Typing said:
BlazeHedgehog
Member
I sure do love it when bosses use completely 100% undodgable attacks on me in an environment where I cannot pick up lost rings
HINT HINT, MAD GEAR ZONE BOSS
HINT HINT, MAD GEAR ZONE BOSS
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I still can't get over why they would mess up the momentum in the game. All they had to do is watch and play Sonic 1/2/3 daily to see how to handle the speed properly. I feel like I only go top speed when I hit those speed boosters. When I spin dash (holding down and mashing buttons) it still doesn't feel fast. I am liking about everything else but this momentum system totally messes up the timing in my jumps. It really is that jarring. Like if I jump and go forward, it feels like Sonic is being held down by ball and chain.
This is enough for me to quit but the game is actually fun, not withstanding the controls/momentum/physics. It should not be that hard to get the basic movements of the damn game right though :/
This is enough for me to quit but the game is actually fun, not withstanding the controls/momentum/physics. It should not be that hard to get the basic movements of the damn game right though :/
The physics and controls feel just as awkward as they look. There is hardly any momentum based game play. In many situations, you're forced to use the homing attack/ "boost" jump maneuver. It seems that even inclines have a fixed speed too. Also, Sonic has almost zero directional influence, when he does a regular vertical jump. There's much much more, but I can safely assume other people in this thread have gone over it ad nauseum. In short, Sonic 4 just feels waaaaaaaaaay off.
Azure Dream
Member
Well, I beat it, though I still need to get the emeralds.
Lost Labyrinth was the best zone in the game, to me. And I really didn't expect that, but it was.
Mad Gear Act 3 was just damn evil. I don't know if I'll ever touch that level again by choice.
Lost Labyrinth was the best zone in the game, to me. And I really didn't expect that, but it was.
Mad Gear Act 3 was just damn evil. I don't know if I'll ever touch that level again by choice.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
This is what I mean. There is a canyon like part where you could jump down and roll up in a "U" patter. I think it's right at the beginning of Casino Act 1. I jump down and spin the momentum doesn't add up to make me go higher. I keep going up and down each way, never actually reaching a higher point. I've tried that level about 7 times and can't get past that part. The homing works for what it is intended to do but they should have just given you a jump+dash ability like in Sonic3K super sonic mode.-PXG- said:
Vorg
Banned
Finally played the demo. Took about 10 seconds to find an example of how weird the physics are.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNKyaanp5Ac
I also find the controls to be a bit shit compared to other sonic games. Even when compared to the sonic advance series.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNKyaanp5Ac
I also find the controls to be a bit shit compared to other sonic games. Even when compared to the sonic advance series.
I just got through playing and its not THAAAAAT BAD but it is horrible. It's frustrating. The controls suck...the controls/physics actually make my hands cramp (seriously). All the insta-stop and direction changes make my hands hurt. It didn't seem like I could do whatever I wanted to do at any point in the demo. The Homing Attack was the best thing about the demo because everything else felt horrible. I wouldn't have sonic transition from walk to run EVER in this game. I'd jump+homing attack to start off any kind of running animation.
I didnt think the "unraveling" of sonic mid air would be as horrible as it is. I cant tell how fast I'm falling and how long I have until I reach the ground so it's really hard to tell if there's an enemy below me.....and if there is then I'll probably hit it and lose all my rings because IDK when the hell I'm supposed to use the homing attack. WTF with all the springs and speed ramps? This game actually just pissed me off because if the physics werent so bad then it would actually be enjoyable somewhat.
It actually brought a smile to my face when I 1st heard the music and saw the 1st level on MY screen for the 1st time. That smile lasted for 3 mins. I was one of those "wait and see" guys but this is just bad. I'm a Sonic fan but I'm not a Sonic fanatic but playing this game made me realize just how right the Sonic fanatics were. You have to get EVERY SINGLE LITTLE detail down when you're creating a 2D Sonic game. I play 2D Sonic games a certain way and I'm accustomed to that. I cant just change the way I play a Sonic game after playing 3 (4 if you count S&Ks) of the main games in the series.
I didnt even expect to write this much but this game just pissed me off to no end and I would have never guessed in a million years that I would become "one of those Sonic haters".
I didnt think the "unraveling" of sonic mid air would be as horrible as it is. I cant tell how fast I'm falling and how long I have until I reach the ground so it's really hard to tell if there's an enemy below me.....and if there is then I'll probably hit it and lose all my rings because IDK when the hell I'm supposed to use the homing attack. WTF with all the springs and speed ramps? This game actually just pissed me off because if the physics werent so bad then it would actually be enjoyable somewhat.
It actually brought a smile to my face when I 1st heard the music and saw the 1st level on MY screen for the 1st time. That smile lasted for 3 mins. I was one of those "wait and see" guys but this is just bad. I'm a Sonic fan but I'm not a Sonic fanatic but playing this game made me realize just how right the Sonic fanatics were. You have to get EVERY SINGLE LITTLE detail down when you're creating a 2D Sonic game. I play 2D Sonic games a certain way and I'm accustomed to that. I cant just change the way I play a Sonic game after playing 3 (4 if you count S&Ks) of the main games in the series.
I didnt even expect to write this much but this game just pissed me off to no end and I would have never guessed in a million years that I would become "one of those Sonic haters".
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Played the demo, and I think I'll wait for a sale or even I won't bother at all, I could buy better stuff for the 800MP offer.
Actually I think, they should have go full Sonic Rush route for this instead of trying to badly mix classic Sonic elements in it.
I loved Rush, but Sonic 4 was underwhelming at best...and as a classic Sonic is..well...you know already.
Actually I think, they should have go full Sonic Rush route for this instead of trying to badly mix classic Sonic elements in it.
I loved Rush, but Sonic 4 was underwhelming at best...and as a classic Sonic is..well...you know already.
LiquidMetal14 said:
I got stuck at that same exact spot last night :lol . I get annoyed, turned the game off and went to bed.
Also, in the old games, during the "auto pilot" boost/ spring sequences, Sonic still had some directional influence. Holding down the d-pad in the same direction Sonic was going, would maintain his momentum. Holding in any other direction would stop or change it. Sonic 4 doesn't have anything semblance of that. This doesn't even feel like Sonic Rush or Sonic Advance. It's a completely new, wonky ass feeling.
Physics is fucked son.
drhankmccoyphd
Neo Member
Wow, 1200 points? And $10 on iPhone? How long is this game, does it justify the price?
BlazeHedgehog
Member
mikespit1200 said:
The game in general is about two hours and generally pretty easy, though the final boss is a colossal asshole that takes like 18-20 hits to defeat and is ten times harder than anything else in the rest of the game.
MessieurCouchon
Member
The game is now available on the European marketplaces as well.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
Well, downloading it now. Here's hoping it turned out well, it sure has been a roller-coaster ride and 1200 points is pretty steep.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
There are a lot of very basic design choices that flat out suck and should have been picked up:
- The physics suck.
- Power ups are placed completely randomly. (Oh, look, speed shoes! *hits dead end*) In previous games power ups were placed strategically to advise of what's coming up ahead (speed shoes = hit right, invincibility = be more cautious etc).
- The camera is too zoomed in. It's like someone made it in 4:3 then chopped the top and bottom off. When the camera zooms out for the Casino Night boss, it's perfect.
- The whole 'hold right to win!' Dimps stuff is here, only with terrible level design. You'll often find yourself boosted in to a complete dead end or hit straight in to a ramp.
- Running is faster than rolling. In fact, if you roll, you flat out will not make it over some hills. Bizarre.
All in all, I think Dimps would have been better off just making a new Sonic Rush for the download services.
- The physics suck.
- Power ups are placed completely randomly. (Oh, look, speed shoes! *hits dead end*) In previous games power ups were placed strategically to advise of what's coming up ahead (speed shoes = hit right, invincibility = be more cautious etc).
- The camera is too zoomed in. It's like someone made it in 4:3 then chopped the top and bottom off. When the camera zooms out for the Casino Night boss, it's perfect.
- The whole 'hold right to win!' Dimps stuff is here, only with terrible level design. You'll often find yourself boosted in to a complete dead end or hit straight in to a ramp.
- Running is faster than rolling. In fact, if you roll, you flat out will not make it over some hills. Bizarre.
All in all, I think Dimps would have been better off just making a new Sonic Rush for the download services.
Why does Sonic come to a complete stop after jumping and hitting the ground? It's like he has superglue on the bottom of his feet. The level design is also awful. Hard to see enemies and they are cheap. Geckos that can turn invisible that you can't reach and hits you with a fireball as you're jumping on a spring. Good idea... Or how about flying hornets who aren't flying. They're just floating in the same spot in the air, waiting for a spring to launch you into them... And Sega is going to charge 15 dollars for a third of this game?
MessieurCouchon
Member
Oh my... I feel robed. Sega just stole 1200 points from me.
A bit of background: The last Sonic game I played, was on the Game Gear. This game feels nothing like that at all. Everything looks unfinished, unpolished, and I dont remember Sonic beeing able to run up a wall like that...
Horrible.
A bit of background: The last Sonic game I played, was on the Game Gear. This game feels nothing like that at all. Everything looks unfinished, unpolished, and I dont remember Sonic beeing able to run up a wall like that...
Horrible.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
Member
What powerups does this game actually have? I just realized all I've seen is the shoes. I'm assuming it has the standard bubble. Does it have the fire and electric bubbles from 3?
I'm half way through and I'm enjoying the game. I like it a lot more than any of the rush/advance games.
The only things I don't like:
Zoomed in camera
Hold direction to jump
The bonus stages (don't like the Sonic 1 bonuses either)
Uncurling
Everything else is pretty cool, if they adjust those problems for the next episode it will be great.
The only things I don't like:
Zoomed in camera
Hold direction to jump
The bonus stages (don't like the Sonic 1 bonuses either)
Uncurling
Everything else is pretty cool, if they adjust those problems for the next episode it will be great.
Diablohead
Member
Demo before you buy games, people! please stop supporting sega's bad efforts like this.MessieurCouchon said:
Checked the demo on my lunch today.
It's shit, they have broken Sonic. It feels clunky, the look is so sterile, flat and bare minimum and the charm has been wiped away.
The worst for me in the visuals and lack of charm, they have basically remade the old games art in 3D and then turned them to sprites without adding any extra effects, layers anything to bring it to a nice looking game in modern standards. Yuk! Really disappointing.
It's shit, they have broken Sonic. It feels clunky, the look is so sterile, flat and bare minimum and the charm has been wiped away.
The worst for me in the visuals and lack of charm, they have basically remade the old games art in 3D and then turned them to sprites without adding any extra effects, layers anything to bring it to a nice looking game in modern standards. Yuk! Really disappointing.
wind_steaker
Member
Camera needs to be zoomed out.
Other than the obvious momentum issues I find just walking along sonic seems to float- his feet bare no correlation to the speed he is moving ant it looks awkward.
otherwise very promising!
Other than the obvious momentum issues I find just walking along sonic seems to float- his feet bare no correlation to the speed he is moving ant it looks awkward.
otherwise very promising!
cjelly said:
Yeah, this is what really irks me. After years of playing the Genesis games, I have a habit of pushing down, to initiate a roll.
The homing attack breaks the game. There are instances where you HAVE to use it. Honestly, it shouldn't even be in this game at all. Sometimes you have to use it to hit a spring or when there is a "bridge" of enemies. The design is simply broken/ non existent.
In regards to the art. I have mixed feelings. It looks "good", as in it's clean. And yet, it's too clean. It's almost too plain and sterile. Almost everything is flattened/ a raster of a 3D model. Splash Hill and Casino Street are fugly, while Mad Gear looks alright. Lost Labyrinth is the only one that actually looks really good.
MessieurCouchon
Member
Diablohead said:
Massive mistake on my part. I let my expectations get to me and dived right in.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
SEGA thanks you all for your fine contributions. See you next Hog-game, suckers, I'm off to Vegas with our ill-gotten spoils!
Yeah, some of these complaints could be registered with the old games as well. I think many people have simply become so used to playing them that they hardly notice.mr_nothin said:
That's not to say there aren't some bad enemy placements here, but I don't think it's far removed from the Genesis games.
There were even bottomless pits in the Genesis games often near the end of an act just like this game.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
Oh, come now. It's hardly a below average game. Your beloved Phantasy Star Portable is closer to being below average than this is.Blueblur1 said:
I understand it isn't the game you wanted and that SEGA led you to think it was, but it's still a good game.
DryvBy
Member
I'm shocked people bought this garbage at the price. I downloaded the demo and was debating on wasting 10 minutes of my life. I watched It's Always Sunny in Philidelphia instead.
Sonic hasn't been good in ages. Last time Sonic did any good was getting nailed in the face with a bat by Ness in the Wii Super Smash Bros.
Sonic hasn't been good in ages. Last time Sonic did any good was getting nailed in the face with a bat by Ness in the Wii Super Smash Bros.
Diablohead
Member
Yes classic belly sonic forever, earlier today I stuck the demo on my little brothers 360 since it's offline and the first thing my mum said about the game was "sonic looks really thin now".btkadams said: