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SONIC THE HEDGEHOG 4 or AGAINST |OT| of Huelen in Green-Eyed Heaven
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7echnicolor
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It's plays NOTHING like the classics. Which is very unfortunate.Ecotic said:
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Deleted member 21120
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It doesn't play like any of those. There's a demo, right? Play the demo and see if you like it.Ecotic said:
Aaron Strife
Banned
It's unfortunate that there wasn't as much influence from Sonic 3, but understandable - I find that most casual Sonic players only had the first two games back in the day.Teknoman said:
It is of course the best one.
MidnightScott
Banned
I finally managed to get an Emerald. God this shit is so annoying.
Come on SEGA you were so close to having it just right. Fix it for the next episode dammit!
Come on SEGA you were so close to having it just right. Fix it for the next episode dammit!
Aika'svyse
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I played the demo, just don't think I can get over the floaty feel
RobbieNick
Junior Member
Boney said:
No wonder he personally doesn't like the game and I do. He plays completely differently from the way I play. He keeps letting go of the D-Pad and slapping his thumb down when he needs to spin or go back. I keep my thumb on the D-Pad at all times. Usually, keep my thumb pressed moving forward cuz some part of my brain thinks this actually helps me go faster when I know it doesn't. Ergo, when I play Sonic 4 in the same manner I always do.
It's not a bad method of control. Just one you have to get used to.
Sega1991 said:
Source invalid.:lol Just teasing.
BlazeHedgehog
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Teknoman said:
I feel I more than justified my score
DeVeAn
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So many times in this industry I had my hopes dashed. Sega of course the most guilty especially being my favorite game company. I think I have gone beyond jaded and just try to have fun with whatever I can.
I really wasn't expecting Sega to him a homerun with Sonic 4. That said though I was able to have fun with Sonic 4. I think it's silly to think that these companies own us something when clearly it's all about the dollar. We all knew it wasn't gonna be what we wanted.
I really wasn't expecting Sega to him a homerun with Sonic 4. That said though I was able to have fun with Sonic 4. I think it's silly to think that these companies own us something when clearly it's all about the dollar. We all knew it wasn't gonna be what we wanted.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Got the third chaos emerald and the trophy for getting 99+ lives. God, this game makes me angry. Sega had the perfect chance to give Sonic a return to form by making Sonic 4, a real sequel to the Mega Drive games. Instead they make Sonic Advance 4 HD, slap on the Sonic 4 name and go all trollface.jpg.
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/review-pod-sonic-4/706287
Gametrailers Overall 7.5/10
Gametrailers Overall 7.5/10
Segata Sanshiro
Member
Kind of a weird review. The negative points they mentioned were that the levels borrowed a bit too much from older games, the game is light on content, and the controls "lack finesse at slower speeds".Zen said:
akachan ningen
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I just finished it. I was excited at first but by the halfway point it was getting tiresome. I went back and played some sonic 3 and it wasn't that much better. The basic Sonic formula is just too limited.
BlazeHedgehog
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Teknoman said:
I figured most knew by now.
I think it's sad that I didn't like the demo much. I mean I should've loved it. If myself from 15 years ago knew I didn't buy Sonic 4, he (I) woud've be furious! At one point I bought every Sonic game made. Sonic 1 was great, Sonic 2 was great, Sonic 3&Knuckles was the best game ever at the time and I even liked Sonic Spinball.
I don't want to fill this game with negativity though. The game should be good for those that never experienced Sonic at the time it was the best platforming game series in the world
I don't want to fill this game with negativity though. The game should be good for those that never experienced Sonic at the time it was the best platforming game series in the world
The physics themself don't really suck. People will hate to admit it, but they worked really well in the Rush games since the level design basically was to build a different type of speed and momentum that wasn't seen in previous Sonic games as you progress through the levels. This isn't the case with Sonic 4.Roto13 said:
Matter of fact I think Sonic 4 has some really great level design (and yes, I recently bought it). Thematically it may be a "rehash" to some people but once you play it you realize that these levels really are different from the stuff we've seen in the Genesis era. And that's also a part of it's problems: The levels are too good for the Rush physics. Sonic constantly feels like he's a bigger character in a small/tight space world in Sonic 4. You constantly hit walls, walk on walls, without even really trying to.
tl;dr: Sonic 4 doesn't really work because the level design doesn't compliment the physics, period. Wait till someone makes a fan-version or a hack of Sonic 4.
The physics suck. Period. When I get launched from minecarts and other ramps and drop like a rock shortly before reaching the intended destination (and to my death), the physics system/dynamics are to blame.
I still can't believe that there's a Sonic 4 Defense Force. Does not compute.
I still can't believe that there's a Sonic 4 Defense Force. Does not compute.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Blueblur1 said:
There are people who genuinely liked the Shadow the Hedgehog game. Go figure.
I really don't like it, the controls are off, the music is just plain bad and the animations are horrible. Sega/Sonic Team/Dimps really don't have a clue what made the Mega Drive classics great. And to think this is the result of a 3 month delay where they told us to fix a lot of stuff the people were complaining about.
Talk about wasting 15... but I just had to see for myself.
This does not give me any confidence in PSO2.
Talk about wasting 15... but I just had to see for myself.
This does not give me any confidence in PSO2.
kyo_daikun
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Combichristoffersen said:
Ugh my stomach...
kyo_daikun
Member
ismaboof said:
Not getting involved in a fight or anything but did you feel you got your money's worth out of it?
kyo_daikun said:
- I got to the final boss within 90 minutes.
If you're going to play through it once, I don't think it's worth $15. I have been trying to unlock all the trophies and that will up your play time. I'm probably at 4-5 hours right now and I haven't unlocked Super Sonic yet.
I'm on the fence as to whether or not I got my $15 worth. Compared to a movie ticket, yes. But as a game? You could probably do better. It's not the worst purchase in the world, but it's already at the point where it's not my goto game everytime I turn on my ps3. But I still had fun with it (despite swearing an awful lot in special stages--I still can't get the 7th one).
BlazeHedgehog
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Roto13 said:
Here's the thing, though: In Sonic 4 (and by relation, Sonic Rush), Sonic decelerates faster than he accelerates. To a certain degree, you can actually come to a stop faster by jumping in to the air and letting go of a direction than you can by actually stopping the way most people do it (by pressing the opposite direction on the d-pad, initiating a skid that's SUPPOSED to make it easier to come to a stop).
This doesn't happen in the classic Sonic games, Sonic accelerates and decelerates at roughly the same speeds while on the ground. In the air, Sonic's deceleration takes a hit, meaning he keeps far more of his pre-existing momentum regardless of what the player is doing with the controller. If Sonic is going forward, jumps, and the player lets go of the controller, he will continue going forward until he lands.
From a mental standpoint, that makes far more logical sense. For instance, Mario does this. So does just about any platformer worth playing. Having a character stop dead in mid-air and fall straight down just because you let go of a direction for half a second is awkward.
There is no need to re-invent the wheel here. There is a solution that works and is implemented in better games. And yet...
Yes. Right. What I said is a fact. So it's right.Blueblur1 said:
Yeah, I think it's been pretty much established, and agreed upon by everyone in the world, that the physics are different. Different doesn't mean bad. It means different. Haters make it sound like the game is unplayable, but I never had a single problem with the physics, because I wasn't expecting 12 more levels of Sonic 3.Sega1991 said:
fastford58
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This game is not very good. The stop and go midair physics are ass and not suited for this style of Sonic game. The Sonic character himself has an out-of-place shitty cell-shaded look and his initial walk animation looks horrible.
The last two complaints I could have overlooked, but the controls pretty much ruin the entire deal for me. It's too bad because my first reaction before I had touched the controls was "Fuckyes!".
When is that fan made remake coming out? That looks promising.
The last two complaints I could have overlooked, but the controls pretty much ruin the entire deal for me. It's too bad because my first reaction before I had touched the controls was "Fuckyes!".
When is that fan made remake coming out? That looks promising.
BlazeHedgehog
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Roto13 said:
I'm not saying that different is bad, though. Sonic Rush is not a bad game. The Sonic Rush physics are appropriate for the type of game they were designed for.
The problem rears its head when Sonic 4 tries to be "like the old games" in a physics engine that was not designed to appropriately handle that kind of level design. Hence, you homing attack a spring that takes you across a pit, and instinctively let go of the analog stick because, typically, even in the Sonic Rush games in which Sonic 4's physics engine is based upon, holding a direction after being sprung will usually make you overshoot/undershoot your destination.
Except that in this case, you're supposed to be holding the direction, otherwise you'll never make it far enough. The game makes zero indication that this is what is supposed to be happening, and Sonic stops moving, falls straight down, and dies.
That is bad design. Not just "different" design, but BAD.
jonnybryce
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Roto13 said:
:lol You really like this game. We get it! Everyone who doesn't like it is WRONG. We get it.
I like the part where you decide people hate the physics because they're simply different (not that they suck) and that we should easily compensate for the games flaws.
Holding down the button at all times doesn't change the fact that when it motion he still feels weird. As someone earlier said; it's like Sonic in molasses.
I think it's pretty safe to say that if you don't like it because you're playing it wrong, you dislike it for the wrong reasons. I can see plenty of valid reasons why someone wouldn't like Sonic 4. Even the physics, if you want to be able to play it like Sonic 1-3. But I have to wonder how many of you people have actually played a game with bad physics. Come on. Some people are actually saying the physics are floaty. That's the opposite of the reality.jonnybryce said:
Aaron Strife
Banned
Never thought I'd see the day where a mainline Sonic game gets better reviews than a mainline Final Fantasy.