Sooooooooooo, aside from prob. Schalla, anyone else playing Prof. Layton vs. Phoenix Wright?
I don't have a European 3DS and didn't pick the Japanese version up, so I haven't played it yet.
I know that OMG Aero's playing it, at least.
Welp, here goes the GAF "shit on Sonic" parade, I guess. Time to drag out all that fan art you've been saving up! You know, the ones you post in any vaguely Sonic topic anyway.
Nevermind the fact that whoever wrote that article made the most fucking stupid assumptions I've seen in a professional article in quite some time. It literally tries to revise history to make the classic Genesis games bad because of "invisible pixels" and the fucking sound effects. It calls Sonic irrelevant when Amazon featured the series front-and-center just two days ago, not to mention Nintendo's obviously happy enough to lend them their highly-guarded Yoshi and Legend of Zelda series for Lost World. I'm sure they would've done the same for a new Croc game, right?
It's so god damn facepalm-worthy, and yet it's getting completely ignored because "Let's post the shitty DeviantArt LOLOLO!" And I know that's partially what the article is supposed to be about, but it bases its argument on something that's, again, really fucking stupid.
Edit: Not completely ignored, but it's mostly the same batch of people I've seen defending Sonic before, and obviously anyone with a Sonic avatar isn't going to be taken seriously. I'm counting the minutes until "lol pony avatar" for my own post, as if that somehow discredits it.
A friend of mine, who lurks GAF, was telling me yesterday that it's generally the same people and/or who aren't Sonic fans that end up turning the Sonic threads into what we know them for. Blaze told me that it was remarkably worse than it is now a few years ago. It's still incredibly irksome to me that GAF still hasn't gotten past this, even if Sonic was actually discussed
positively between 2010 and 2012. I mean, you all saw it after Sonic Generations and people were actually complimenting the game for the most part. Even the most jaded of Sonic fans on this forum complimented it right down to Mama Robotnik.
In my case, there's so much that I can say or do in a few threads that it's starting to feel pointless because the peanut gallery has gotten much larger in the past few years and these threads seem to be originating with more frequency. It kind of extends back to the point last year where I felt that half the time, I was copy/pasting or linking my older posts because the same topics were being brought up ad nauseam on this forum.
So, I disagree that it's something that we shouldn't talk about in here because this
is the Sonic community thread, and these threads never used to pop-up with such frequency before. It used to be once in a while, but the commentary on one fraction of the Sonic fandom But at the same time, I really dislike drawing the distinction between community and "lol gaming side" because the community forum is still part of the forum proper. It obviously still bothers some of us, so people can air out their frustration here if they'd like. We've done that before, and people will still--by all means--do so.
I think it's stupid. Other series are prone to the same kind of garbage and have their own fringe weird part of the fandom. Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, Pokemon, Yoshi, Mario, DK, whatever. You name it, it has its own stupid side of the fandom. Sonic just gets scrutinized more because it had a fairly lengthy period where a lot of the games were bad or mediocre. I think it's BS that almost every Sonic thread on gaming gets sidetracked by crumb-bums who either don't care about the series posting dumb fanart in a thread where--more likely than not--is focused on a game or another development. Remember when Worlds Collide got announced and people were disappointed in the crossover because they didn't want Mega Man subjected to anything relating to Sonic at all?
So, yeah, I'm sick of it too. I don't like concentrating on the "lol gaming side" part of things because we've tried not to do that
because this thread is part of GAF as a whole, but given the frequency of Sonic threads and how they seem to go lately, I don't think it's a bad idea to air out frustration regarding them here.
Getting down to the crux of it, that article kinda sucks. Especially the bit about "the Sonic games were never good!" The older Sonic games can still be considered really good depending on your taste and people still have fun playing them. Sonic still sells copies, and kids still really like it the series. You can't say that Sonic was never popular when we had Generations a few years ago that people--even on this very forum who didn't care for the series in recent years--bought because it encapsulated even part of the history of the series that people almost universally liked. From what I can recall, the OT had positive impressions from most folks, and the LTTP threads or even
this thread had folks arguing that the game was actually
good. And half of the arguments for the game came from the fact that the game included older levels.
Obviously, there are going to be folks who don't like the Genesis Sonic games at all and that's just based on taste. Not everyone's going to like the same thing. It's just like me and Donkey Kong Country or FF4.
Older Sonic games had great level design that facilitated Sonic's moveset (even his powerups in Sonic 3), wonderful art design with lots of colours strewn throughout, and music that took lots of nods from popular music (heck when I was listening to the 1980s/1990s dance hour on the radio the other day, I was moreso reminded of Sonic's sound than anything, and I always thought Sonic's sound design was a great thing). Sure Sonic CD had Wacky Workbench, but Sonic CD does some neat stuff in terms of breadth and depth of having several maps available to one zone, like it or hate it.
That's what the media sees all the time. They never had their "No, actually, Sonic 2's still a good game!" recovery moment. It's just bad Sonic games, everywhere, all the time, forever, and they're never going to go back and try to enjoy Sonic 2 again, because why would they? There's no time. Gotta look forward, not backward. Got articles to write, cons to attend, and new games are always piling up faster than you can play them.
And the peanut gallery? They're just there to throw popcorn at the stage.
Yup. That's also part of it. It didn't help that Lost World had mixed reviews as opposed to the "oh wow, this Sonic game is actually... good...!" reviews that Colours and Generations seemed to have. There just isn't that much time to cover older games unless your site or magazine covers retro games often, and game conference commitments seem to come more often these days. Even in the summer lull, you still have lots of stuff to do because of E3, PAX, Gamescom, etc.
I'M FREE SUCKAS
Now time to go back and see how many of you guys missed me oh wait you didn't ok then I'll just leave again bye.
EDIT: I've been back two minutes and I hate almost everything I've seen.
lol. It's because we knew you requested the ban before.
