PhantomOfTheKnight
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Heroes and Shadow are already on EU PSN; they probably made that rule up before deciding whether out not to release them digitally in the US.
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Sonic the Hedgehog Community Thread |OT3 & Knuckles|
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I guess they think people gonna hate on sonic whether someone thinks its good or bad, and its gonna sell so go for it.
You wanna know whats good, the comics.
BlazeHedgehog
Member
I find that Sonic Heroes is an easy game to hate in retrospect because it's that point where the excesses born in SA1 and SA2 really started to get way out of control. Too many playable characters, too much content recycling, levels that go on way too long, etc.
But it's not an awful game, I guess. Viewed out of context of everything else, it's merely just kind of average.
But it's not an awful game, I guess. Viewed out of context of everything else, it's merely just kind of average.
SpikedGunner
Member
I A-ranked everything in Heroes...on two separate files, only time I did that.
I also A-ranked everything in Shadow aswell...never again, also the stupid Mad Catz memory card I used for the game almost lost that file on multiple occasions. That was the last time I ever listened to a Gamestop employee's advice.
I can see that honestly, I certainly understand the criticism regarding the issues...but I feel that if I ever pop the game again into my GC/Wii, I might still enjoy it to some degree.
I still think that the environment themes and visuals were an honest cartoony/"back-to-roots"/sonic-theme attempt during the Adventure Engine Era.
I also A-ranked everything in Shadow aswell...never again, also the stupid Mad Catz memory card I used for the game almost lost that file on multiple occasions. That was the last time I ever listened to a Gamestop employee's advice.
I can see that honestly, I certainly understand the criticism regarding the issues...but I feel that if I ever pop the game again into my GC/Wii, I might still enjoy it to some degree.
I still think that the environment themes and visuals were an honest cartoony/"back-to-roots"/sonic-theme attempt during the Adventure Engine Era.
Professor Beef
Banned
It's ok, not a lot of people do without a guide.
BlazeHedgehog
Member
I don't think you can, sometimes. I think there are a couple robot generators that once you pass them, you can't ever get back without just committing suicide and starting over. I could be wrong about that, but honestly the system is so obtuse that who even knows.
Sonic CD is a lot of cool ideas that weren't executed very well.
Nocturnowl
Member
Has to be, I mean surely super hard mode was just more enemies, more health bars and the most hellish robot carnival boss known to man.
I'd consider it a fundamental flaw that they went with something of an exploration angle in a game where stages for the most part are designed to propel you forwards with momentum, if you had to backtrack on yourself for the generator hunt things could get straight up clumsy and in some cases (I'm thinking collision chaos and tidal tempest) actually impossible due to changes in the level progression.
Then if you play it as a standard reach the exit Sonic game it's remarkably easy, albeit with good music, trippy visuals and an interesting take on bosses.
this was my take from it. i am not going to put myself through fighting the level design to find all the generators, but i enjoyed what i played.
it was also weird as hell to see tails in there with the 'see you next game' text, knowing that back in the early 90s, that was a major spoiler since the internet wasn't a huge thing yet. i felt like i'd gone back in time.
Tizoc
Member
IMO Sonic Heroes had some interesting ideas but the execution and end result weren't very good.
I personally didn't mind the 3 character mechanic where each one had their own abilities.
GAF was not loading for me the past few hours and I just now got in (and am at work), will check it up when I get home.
I personally didn't mind the 3 character mechanic where each one had their own abilities.
GAF was not loading for me the past few hours and I just now got in (and am at work), will check it up when I get home.
Sort of. There are more enemies and stronger enemies, but that means you level up faster, which in turn speeds the pacing right back up. They also cut a number of the original interactive objects in favor of light dash trails or straight up platforming, which works in concert with the extra armored enemies and spike balls to make you switch characters much more and generally be a more active participant in the game.
And there aren't any boss fights! Or tutorial dialogue. Or special stages. And it's just Team Sonic going through an amalgam of all the teams' stage content.
On reflection it's totally the best way to play the game.
Or at least it would've been if they'd beaten Sonic 2 out the door instead of being several months behind.
oh that's even better.
Nocturnowl
Member
Okay that doesn't sound too bad after all, shame I'll never wrap up obtaining what few emblems I had left, it just ain't worth the pain to experience the potentially slightly above average Heroes experience.
Shadow Hog
Member
Technically the remake added the "See You Next Game" at the end of the credits to signal that you'd unlocked Tails for subsequent playthroughs. The original doesn't have playable Tails, and actually hid the screen inside the Sound Test, where you'd only find it if you knew both the code to access the Sound Test in the first place as well as the code on the Sound Test screen to pull the image up (or were really really bored, in the case of the latter).
Still doesn't make sense until you consider that CD is kind of sandwiched between 1 and 2, continuity-wise.
Still doesn't make sense until you consider that CD is kind of sandwiched between 1 and 2, continuity-wise.
The backtracking to find generators in CD was exactly what was wrong with the bullshit Special Rings in Sonic Advance 2.
- No indication where they are at all
- Finding them efficiently is grossly in favor of the fliers and climbers
- Backtracking requires suicide or resetting
These problems also found its way to the Sun Medals in Unleashed. You're going so fucking fast that keeping your eyes peeled for a small ass coin that zips by in an instant is an arduous task.
Collectables in a speed and momentum based platformer, bleh.
- No indication where they are at all
- Finding them efficiently is grossly in favor of the fliers and climbers
- Backtracking requires suicide or resetting
These problems also found its way to the Sun Medals in Unleashed. You're going so fucking fast that keeping your eyes peeled for a small ass coin that zips by in an instant is an arduous task.
Collectables in a speed and momentum based platformer, bleh.
BlazeHedgehog
Member
I never found the medals in Unleashed to be that bad because they were rarely placed like your example implies they were (and most of them that were, were usually placed in such a way that you are almost guaranteed to pick them up automatically).
Like maybe I just play too many videogames but all the medals were hidden in super obvious places where it's like...
Oh, the path forks here. The fork to the left has rings and enemies, but the fork to the right seems to be empty, but there's no such thing as empty dead ends in these videogames so I bet there's a medal or two out there
And sure enough, there would totally be something over there. As long as you kept your eyes peeled for really obvious "there's no other reason for this to exist except to hide a medal in it" places, you were usually good to go.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Sonic CD, definitely the Nocturnowl of Genesis Sonics
I guess I was boostin too much :/
I remember the game getting criticized for it by journos too, but maybe it could've just been chalked up to them being forced to rush through a lot of the game.
Nocturnowl
Member
One of the bigger problems with daytime medals in unleashed is that I could see them coming up but would miss by an inch when blazing past, same thing with a few red rings in Generations, collecting smallish singular objects at fast speed in a platformer is worth a bleh from me.
Now now, it's not that good of a game really.
Now now, it's not that good of a game really.
In Unleashed day stages, 2D segments mostly, I would miss a medal and try to go back only to find that the stage is full of stretches where I'm not allowed to stop running forward even when I should be able to. It would be annoying as hell to try backtracking even a little bit anyway since every 10 feet there's something that propels me forward again on touch.
Shadow Hog
Member
Am I really the only one who had no issues finding all of the generators in CD? They're pretty large objects, and the levels aren't usually large enough that spending a few minutes to locate them (something you can do in any time period, even if you can only break them in the Past) is that hard to do. Helps that they're often placed near the beginnings or ends of stages.
Of course, Sonic CD rewards the Good Ending for getting all of the Time Stones as well, so it's not typically required, but outside of Metallic Madness, I usually knew where all of the generators were and got my Good Endings that way.
Yes it is! D:
Azure Dream
Member
Wii Unleashed handled level progression (and medals) better, I felt. I got stuck twice scrounging for a significant number of medals just to make story progress on 360, even though I took plenty of detours and hunted through areas thoroughly. I was so glad Eggmanland didn't require medals.
I remember thinking I was going to hate Super Hard Mode when I unlocked it, but yeah, similar reaction. It feels more fun to play than the regular stages, oddly enough.
I think Heroes has something of a neat idea at the core, but just flopped the execution. If they had stuck to one or two teams, with a lot more polish (glitchy physics on anything but NTSC GameCube, controls, those ugly graphics to name a few points), and a better portrayal of the base ideas (multiple routes for different characters, instead of demanding you switch to follow a singular route, as the game lazily does later on; the characters being able to split up more and have better singular functionality, etc)... I think it might've worked out better.
I feel like the core of Sonic Heroes could make a neat PSO-style cooperative online action game. Especially if they let you mix your own teams up. Great way to utilize their huge library of otherwise slumbering or background characters.
I remember thinking I was going to hate Super Hard Mode when I unlocked it, but yeah, similar reaction. It feels more fun to play than the regular stages, oddly enough.
I think Heroes has something of a neat idea at the core, but just flopped the execution. If they had stuck to one or two teams, with a lot more polish (glitchy physics on anything but NTSC GameCube, controls, those ugly graphics to name a few points), and a better portrayal of the base ideas (multiple routes for different characters, instead of demanding you switch to follow a singular route, as the game lazily does later on; the characters being able to split up more and have better singular functionality, etc)... I think it might've worked out better.
I feel like the core of Sonic Heroes could make a neat PSO-style cooperative online action game. Especially if they let you mix your own teams up. Great way to utilize their huge library of otherwise slumbering or background characters.
Yeah, I went with the
PhantomOfTheKnight
Member
Two drunk assholes play SA2: Battle's multiplayer. Hilarity ensues.
Also, congrats to Ian Flynn on his 100th issue!
Also, congrats to Ian Flynn on his 100th issue!
Lightning Lord
Banned
I think if you are just, like, playing the game it's not bad. Like decide to run through the game as one of the teams or something. But if you decide "Hey, I'm gonna play through with every single team and the true final boss" then it just sucks. You just go through the exact same stages, with the exact same bosses, with the only difference being the characters you are playing as, which ultimately doesn't matter too much because they still all end up playing the exact same. At least SA1 and 2 provided different stages and scenarios, and the different characters had varying degrees of play styles.
So yeah, if I decided to replay Heroes right now and went through it once I probably wouldn't mind. But going through it 4 times? Not worth the time.
Shadow Hog
Member
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Seems legit.
This new .webm stuff is amazing for Sonic. Finally, a convenient way to see 60fps footage.
http://a.pomf.se/umbssn.webm
This new .webm stuff is amazing for Sonic. Finally, a convenient way to see 60fps footage.
http://a.pomf.se/umbssn.webm
Tizoc
Member
Having just finished Prof. Layton vs. Phoenix Wright
I want to know why the Layton stories always have a fantastical explanation for all that happens that's even MORE absurd than the fantastical setting that the stories portray. It just...fucking boggles my mind, fucking unneeded and unnecessary, it ultimately ruins the story for me, such that I don't feel like replaying them.
I should've given my NDS Layton games for my brother to trade off when he left for the US =V
I should've given my NDS Layton games for my brother to trade off when he left for the US =V
I got that same spam email today. I deleted it almost instantly, so I missed that gem.
Nocturnowl
Member
But that's secretly the best part about Layton plotlines, the moment Curious Village delivered its twist the series fate was decided and so began the constant battle of absurd escalation in its sequels as well as overly convincing disguises that make no sense, I don't think Pandora's box can ever truly to be topped in this respect on both counts.
Props to PLvsPW for almost making me think for a while that things were going to be played straight because of the Wright influence or something to that effect only to perform the mandatory Layton swerve anyway, I should've known.
Props to PLvsPW for almost making me think for a while that things were going to be played straight because of the Wright influence or something to that effect only to perform the mandatory Layton swerve anyway, I should've known.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
love em or hate em, Eggman's henchmen are always there for the SonicGAF Universe
*cheap pop*
Professor Beef
Banned
Let's go henchmen
Nocturnowl
Member
henchmen suck
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Beef's henchmen suck.
Even if it doesn't get as much traffic lately because we're all busy, this is still my favourite community threads because we just shoot the shit in here and people are barely hostile towards each other.
(If you've PM'd me in the last week or so, I probably won't be able to respond back until maybe Tuesday. Home stuff and exam stuff are taking up a lot of my time. :x)
Super Hard Mode sounds like it's a good thing, considering my complaints about Heroes being way too long for its own good.
Time Stones were the hardest thing for me >.>
Special Stage 5-7 could go suck a lemon. Who put those UFOs there? Why? Is it just like the reasoning behind Eggman building Mad Gear?
Even if it doesn't get as much traffic lately because we're all busy, this is still my favourite community threads because we just shoot the shit in here and people are barely hostile towards each other.
(If you've PM'd me in the last week or so, I probably won't be able to respond back until maybe Tuesday. Home stuff and exam stuff are taking up a lot of my time. :x)
That's part of the reason why I don't like Sonic Heroes at all. Never mind that everything looks like plastic and the music was a little underwhelming and it took a lot of the Adventure games that I just didn't like. Then again, you guys already know I don't care as much for the Adventure games as other folks.
Super Hard Mode sounds like it's a good thing, considering my complaints about Heroes being way too long for its own good.
Not really? As someone else said, it had a lot of good ideas, but flawed execution (Wacky Workbench, I'm looking at you. Maybe you too, Collision Chaos). It's a game that focused a lot on level exploration but tried to combine that with a timer, which doesn't work as well from the outset. As you said, the generators are placed at the beginning and ending of the stages, so it's not as bad. As a kid, I focused way more on looking around and collecting rings and beating up every enemy as opposed to running through the acts quickly, so I'd often come across the generators in the past and bust them up. That's honestly how I got the True Ending in the game.
Time Stones were the hardest thing for me >.>
Special Stage 5-7 could go suck a lemon. Who put those UFOs there? Why? Is it just like the reasoning behind Eggman building Mad Gear?
Super Hexagon is really good regardless of platform, but I'd agree that the PC version feels better in retrospect.
Tizoc
Member
Not HD enough =V
Also I can't help but feel various GAFfers are incorrectly using the term 'HD'. I mean heck I could use all them fancy filters to pretty up PSX games but I don't think I'd ever call them 'HD', which to me, is what is being done to the NDS games shown in that thread.
Professor Beef
Banned
I'm HD right now
Nah, they're not using it incorrectly. It could be a single black pixel on a white screen, if the image is rendered at a high enough resolution it's HD.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Owl, your avatar is, like, staring into my soul...
Are you staring into my soul, Owl?
I'LL STARE BACK!
Are you staring into my soul, Owl?
I'LL STARE BACK!
Nocturnowl
Member
This made me smile more than it should, it takes me back.
Special Stage 5 was a real dastard if my painful memories are correct.
Your Soul...Owl, your avatar is, like, staring into my soul...
Are you staring into my soul, Owl?
I'LL STARE BACK!
Is mine!
I do love great grey owls.
