BoboBrazil
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The longer run time and killing of Clay really did ruin things for the show. With the longer run time we basically got like 22 episodes of this show or something like that this season and so much of it was pointless filler.
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Sons of Anarchy - The 7th and Final Season - Tuesdays on FX
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Just watched the ending. What a load of shit.
I knew it was going to be, of course. Just like pretty much everyone else in this thread.
The show has been crappy for at least two seasons if not more.
I must say that the level of cheese surprised me though, especially with the restraint shown in the 2nd last episode and at several points over this season.
Once again we got too many montages, the crow thing was hamfisted and totally unnecessary (if we've built up emotional attachment and know the characters in and out why would we need such obvious symbology?), once again murdering, chases and gunfights garner next to no heat or attention, etc, etc.
I needed to watch the show to the end (like Dexter) due to how much time I'd invested but I'll never recommend it to anyone due to the way that later seasons spoiled any love I have for the earlier stuff. I just can't isolate seasons of a series like that.
I knew it was going to be, of course. Just like pretty much everyone else in this thread.
The show has been crappy for at least two seasons if not more.
I must say that the level of cheese surprised me though, especially with the restraint shown in the 2nd last episode and at several points over this season.
Once again we got too many montages, the crow thing was hamfisted and totally unnecessary (if we've built up emotional attachment and know the characters in and out why would we need such obvious symbology?), once again murdering, chases and gunfights garner next to no heat or attention, etc, etc.
I needed to watch the show to the end (like Dexter) due to how much time I'd invested but I'll never recommend it to anyone due to the way that later seasons spoiled any love I have for the earlier stuff. I just can't isolate seasons of a series like that.
Summer Haze
Banned
Lmfao. Seeing it again is even worse than the first time. How did they see watch that last scene back and think "yeah, that looks good, lets use this"?
But she isn't a ghost. She was seen by Gemma as well and others and generally there was no reason not to treat her as as an ordinary living person. Which they fail to explain how is she alive and how's nobody else knows about it and why she condemned herself to that life instead of reuniting with her family.
The finale was rather touching and as good as it could have been considering everything, except two things: the aforementioned Brook's mother thing and the mother-fucking core subject of Gemma's part in JT's death being thrown out of the window and ignored completely. I had all i have to say about that regarding last week's episode. Baffling.
Maybe you can read some meaning to the fact Jax doesn't learn the whole truth; Maybe there's an underlining message behind that choice. However my gut reaction and what i think most fans expected was for that subject to be addressed, that secret to be revealed. If you share that thought then no matter how good what they actually did, there's no getting around this unfathomable neglect.
If you can let that 'slide' then it was a serviceable finale that did manage to pull (at least mine) emotional chords.
Dirtyshubb
Member
FirmBizBws im with you bro!
Sons wasnt perfect but for me and my wife it was one of our top shows, there was a tonne of development and lots of interesting stories.
People might take the piss out of the ending (Christ pose, bad cgi) but there was still a damn emotional build up to it and seeing Jax just accept his decision and end his life was pretty heart-breaking. In fact my wife was in tears when he died, Jax always wanted to help the people he cared about but it took him too long to realise that he was too far in and he was destined to hurt those he loved while he was around.
I also loved how everyone used to comment on how Jax always had his bright white trainers on, never really thinking about it much other than being funny but when you see him kill Gemma and his trainers being covered in her blood it really hit me. Something never mentioned throughout 7 years in the show yet that small detail added a lot to the scene and to Jaxs character development and acceptance of his self and what type of man he is.
The burning of the letters was also something that I was surprised about, many would say it was a storyline wasted but for me it was the opposite. You spent 7 years wondering when he would find out that Gemma helped kill his dad but when the time came, Jax had developed so much that the information was meaningless and to burn it and his notebooks (Containing every seasons narration) was much more beneficial to his family to ensure his Sons dont get caught up in the mess he did.
I will be looking forward to getting a complete Blu Ray set down the line and going through it again.
Sons wasnt perfect but for me and my wife it was one of our top shows, there was a tonne of development and lots of interesting stories.
People might take the piss out of the ending (Christ pose, bad cgi) but there was still a damn emotional build up to it and seeing Jax just accept his decision and end his life was pretty heart-breaking. In fact my wife was in tears when he died, Jax always wanted to help the people he cared about but it took him too long to realise that he was too far in and he was destined to hurt those he loved while he was around.
I also loved how everyone used to comment on how Jax always had his bright white trainers on, never really thinking about it much other than being funny but when you see him kill Gemma and his trainers being covered in her blood it really hit me. Something never mentioned throughout 7 years in the show yet that small detail added a lot to the scene and to Jaxs character development and acceptance of his self and what type of man he is.
The burning of the letters was also something that I was surprised about, many would say it was a storyline wasted but for me it was the opposite. You spent 7 years wondering when he would find out that Gemma helped kill his dad but when the time came, Jax had developed so much that the information was meaningless and to burn it and his notebooks (Containing every seasons narration) was much more beneficial to his family to ensure his Sons dont get caught up in the mess he did.
I will be looking forward to getting a complete Blu Ray set down the line and going through it again.
FirmBizBws
Becomes baffled, curling up into a ball when confronted with three controller options.
If she wasn't a ghost, care to explain how a homeless woman appeared in Ireland in season 3?
She couldn't have possibly gotten plane tickets.
Also did Gemma's role in JT's death really matter after Tara died?
"Oh baby before you kill me, 20 years ago I gace concent to Clay to kill your father, k bye"
Would that revelation really have mattered?
BoboBrazil
Member
Lol looking at that top .webm of the courthouse. They even had cops outside when the shooting started, but they disappeared when the shooting started and didn't go after him.
FirmBizBws
Becomes baffled, curling up into a ball when confronted with three controller options.
Yea it was amazing how he developed and him finding out that his mother helped kill Clay really wouldn't have changed anything at that point, it just would have hurt him a tiny bit more, but her killing his wife and him having to kill her was enough for me, he didn't need to find out anything else.
With regards to the CGI, I thought it was funny and looked horrible, meaning the crows and the bread part, however if someone watches this show and that's all they take from the ending, that really says a lot to me.
I'm going to go through the show again myself in a few months then I will put the show to bed for a few years and come back to it, what an amazing ride it's been
Did she appear in Ireland? If so that does point out for her not being an actual living person. Odd Jax and Gemma would imagine her the same.
Yes. Gemma's role mattered. It was the crux of the show. The original sin. The revelation we've all been waiting for. Why even bother having Gemma tell Nero the truth in last season's finale if they weren't to bring it up again? Terrible.
Jax couldn't pull the trigger at the first chance. Gemma had to keep to talking him up to shoot the gun. That would have been the perfect opportunity for her to bring up the JT matter, and that would have given Jax the extra motivation to murder his mother. Instead, the climax of the show was hijacked by one-season old plotline that was crap by itself and brought a crappier final season. The essence of the show and of Gemma's characterization and dynamic was swept under the rug never to be uttered again.
FirmBizBws
Becomes baffled, curling up into a ball when confronted with three controller options.
That's the revelation you have been waiting for? For him to find out that his mother didn't kill his father, but gave concent to clay that shes okay with it?
....Wow
Don't really know what to say here. Maybe you wanted Unser to fess up for covering it up too?
I mean personally the revelation I've been waiting for was Jax finding out that Gemma killed his mother and I was also waiting to see if Marks was going to leak information that Jax sent Tig to his death from jail as a way to get back at him for locking him up.
I guess Gemma telling Jax that she killed his father before he shot her could have added a tiny bit more to the moment, but Jax was past that. He killed his fathers murderer in season 6 and he stopped reading his fathers manuscript in season 5 and even had to ask his mother where more copies were right before he killed her because he didn't know where they were.
How was the plot line crap? She killed Tara because she thought she was a rat who was trying to take her grandkids from their father and break him by divorcing him. Only to find out that she jumped the gun and made the wrong decision that led to chaos. Like Tig in season 4 killing Pope's daughter.
???
Yes. Gemma was in it. Her hands are tainted in blood since the beginning. That's the crime that made her deserving of a bullet in the first place. That's the core of show and her character and the relationship between her and Jax and everybody else.
You couldn't wait for a 12-eps old truth to be revealed but not for information that was 7 seasons in the making? We can debate how much of importance that moment should have but throwing it out of the window completely and acting like it's a non-issue? Never. And for Nero not even stepping up to provide that closure even after Gemma was dead? Incomprehensible.
The plotline was crap because i thought S6 was rather good until that moment. It was crap because every member knew that Gemma would freak out if she heard about it and considering the violent history between the two women they were ought to have somebody watching over Gemma in case she tried to pull something. It was crap because Gemma was pushed into action by her patsy Unser, whose pathetic head-over-heels love for Gemma made him run to her and share unconfirmed and untrue information that he had every reason to think would stoke the fire and get Gemma riled up to do something.
This act completely hijacked the final season and caused all the bullshit that people criticized this season for. FFS, Gemma couldn't even pin the death on some unknown junkie who broke to Tara's house - instead opting for the HEAD OF THE CHINESE MOB, knowing fully (or should have of) it would bring down war and death upon everyone.
You couldn't wait for a 12-eps old truth to be revealed but not for information that was 7 seasons in the making? We can debate how much of importance that moment should have but throwing it out of the window completely and acting like it's a non-issue? Never. And for Nero not even stepping up to provide that closure even after Gemma was dead? Incomprehensible.
The plotline was crap because i thought S6 was rather good until that moment. It was crap because every member knew that Gemma would freak out if she heard about it and considering the violent history between the two women they were ought to have somebody watching over Gemma in case she tried to pull something. It was crap because Gemma was pushed into action by her patsy Unser, whose pathetic head-over-heels love for Gemma made him run to her and share unconfirmed and untrue information that he had every reason to think would stoke the fire and get Gemma riled up to do something.
This act completely hijacked the final season and caused all the bullshit that people criticized this season for. FFS, Gemma couldn't even pin the death on some unknown junkie who broke to Tara's house - instead opting for the HEAD OF THE CHINESE MOB, knowing fully (or should have of) it would bring down war and death upon everyone.
FirmBizBws
Becomes baffled, curling up into a ball when confronted with three controller options.
Agree to disagree, it wouldn't have added much, there was already enough fuel to the Fire for Jax to want to kill her, adding that on wouldn't have changed much IMO. Would it have been something to add to that scene where Jax killed her? Maybe. But in the grand scheme of the show, being that the entire "who killed my father" arc was finished, it was meaningless
The entire club didn't know about Gemma and Tara's relationship, that was obvious throughout the show. It wasn't like every one of their arguments took place in the club house.
There was no reason for them to be watching Gemma during that period, only Tara, who had posed an actual threat to their leader who could have taken the kids away.
FirmBizBws
Becomes baffled, curling up into a ball when confronted with three controller options.
I have a question tho, how exactly would you have wanted that to be revealed?
Should Nero have said "hey Jax, your mom told me that when clay was about to kill your father, she didn't exactly protest the idea"
Should Gemma have said "Jax, baby boy, before you kill me I just want you to know that although I didn't mess with your fathers bike, I didn't actually do anything to stop clay from killing him. In fact, now that I know that he had a kid with that bitch, in not exactly too sorry about that"
How exactly would you have wanted this to be revealed? Do you think at that moment that revealing that she gave her concent to clay 20 years ago,it would have held as much as or more weight than actually killing his wife a few weeks ago?
Should Nero have said "hey Jax, your mom told me that when clay was about to kill your father, she didn't exactly protest the idea"
Should Gemma have said "Jax, baby boy, before you kill me I just want you to know that although I didn't mess with your fathers bike, I didn't actually do anything to stop clay from killing him. In fact, now that I know that he had a kid with that bitch, in not exactly too sorry about that"
How exactly would you have wanted this to be revealed? Do you think at that moment that revealing that she gave her concent to clay 20 years ago,it would have held as much as or more weight than actually killing his wife a few weeks ago?
choodi
Banned
Yeah, you're mental.
Go ahead and convince yourself that Sutter is a genius and that the whole premise of the show was meaningless and not worth resolving.
In fact, i invite you to watch sutter's next show and the inevitable SoA spin off that's supposedly coming and continue to live in the fantasy land that you inhabit.
Sutter will continue to feed you shit and you'll keep asking for more.
The rest of us will be enjoying something that actually makes sense...
Go ahead and convince yourself that Sutter is a genius and that the whole premise of the show was meaningless and not worth resolving.
In fact, i invite you to watch sutter's next show and the inevitable SoA spin off that's supposedly coming and continue to live in the fantasy land that you inhabit.
Sutter will continue to feed you shit and you'll keep asking for more.
The rest of us will be enjoying something that actually makes sense...
SolidSnakeFTW
Member
Cheesey hamfisted end to a cheesey hamfisted show. I am totally ok with it.
Although I kinda wanted everyone except Gemma and the boys to die as a result of the lie to cover up Tara's death. Then she'd have to spend the rest of her days knowing she got everyone killed, while raising the boys on Nero's farm.
Although I kinda wanted everyone except Gemma and the boys to die as a result of the lie to cover up Tara's death. Then she'd have to spend the rest of her days knowing she got everyone killed, while raising the boys on Nero's farm.
FirmBizBws
Becomes baffled, curling up into a ball when confronted with three controller options.
That would have been hilariously messed up,lol.
The scenario I always had in mind was Nero protecting Jax by putting himself in between Gemma and Jax and in the end Jax and Nero shoot each other and then Gemma kills herself. Unser and the junkie raise Abel, rat and his gf raise the baby.
FirmBizBws
Becomes baffled, curling up into a ball when confronted with three controller options.
The fact that you don't realize that that arc was finished long ago is astounding. maybe you need to rewatch the show and realize that 1-4 and 5-7 are essentially different stories.
You clinging on to what you thought was the original premise of the show and what the real show was actually about are two completely different things.
I assume you're in the camp who wanted clay to live forever and be the final boss of the show still?
LowEndTorque
Member
Ending is up there with Dexter on the wall of shit.
choodi
Banned
Yeah, im just going to chalk you up to being a little naive (im still not sure whether you are just trying to troll us).
metalslimer
Member
Yes, was one was interesting and the other was boring as hell to watch.
Also, they spent an entire season on those stupid letters, and pretty much retconned Gemma's role in JT's death out of the series.
Also, even if you somehow think Jak's transformation was fun to watch, I don't see how anyone can defend the horrendous use of the other characters on this show.
Kano on the Phone
Member
Finally got to watch the finale and Jax couldn't even die without being a selfish idiot. I'm just glad it's over and I don't have to sit through another two hour episode. I laughed when I saw that this was episode 13. It felt like episode 45.
BoboBrazil
Member
That's because with run times it was really like 22 episodes.
It's also a bizarre choice, given it's supposed to be like the final scene of the show. It's supposed to be iconic. It's the last thing people are going to see and remember. So considering that is your last shot, it seems strange to go that route with the CGI.
Like as creators, this is your baby. This is the thing you've been working years and years on. It's saying goodbye to something that has meant so much to you and has consumed so much of your time. And...that's what you go with?
FirmBizBws
Becomes baffled, curling up into a ball when confronted with three controller options.
Found a nice little tidbit for fans of the series: Milo means destroyer and merciful in some languages
http://www.sheknows.com/baby-names/name/milo
Gotta love the subtle things that Sutter does that requires rewatching episodes or just flat out putting extra time in with the show by doing research.
Really appreciate his work.
http://www.sheknows.com/baby-names/name/milo
Gotta love the subtle things that Sutter does that requires rewatching episodes or just flat out putting extra time in with the show by doing research.
Really appreciate his work.
Kano on the Phone
Member
LOL!
Joke post? We don't really have a sutter stan on here, do we?
Ofc the clubs know the history between the two. They know the history of the club of members killing other members' wives or trying to kidnap them etc. Gemma should have been watched, plain and simple. Unser, the man of law, shouldn't have behaved like a pathetic lackey giving information to Gemma that will set her on fire. That whole situation shouldn't have happened. It was bottom of the barrel stuff.
If we insist on carrying over S6's finale then they could have exposed the truth about the JT matter before that of Tara's. Or Gemma could have come clean about it in the way i described before. Or when Unser learns that Gemma was the killer the he finally becomes disillusioned and lets go of her - symbolized by telling Jax the truth about her involvement in JT's death. Unser finally stops being her patsy and doesn't lose his life because 'she's the only one i got left'. Or Nero speaks up. There were plenty of ways to make right by a secret 7-seasons old instead of acting as it doesn't exist.
Remember, Gemma's half-defense is that it was a fit or rage. Agreeing to kill her husband was an act that has nothing to do with any fit of any rage. That's Gemma. Person capable and willing to kill the closest of people. That's what makes her deserving of a bullet to to head. And that what should have pushed Jax over the edge.
Going back to Brook's mother being a ghost or real person. I remembered that in last season's finale we see her walk by the dumpster Juice threw all the stuff if. She was alone in the scene; it wasn't vocalized through any other character's eyes. Si it just doesn't make sense. If the intention is that she doesn't really exist then that scene doesn't work.
I just think, Jax finding out it was Gemma that really killed his father (who pushed the idea to Clay and betrayed him so she could get riches)...that + Tara's death would have been pretty full circle, in him realizing this person he loved and trusted, was actually the person responsible for ruining his entire life. The person behind the scenes pulling all the strings.
But I also can agree that, at this point, Jax was already enraged. So I'm not sure it would have added much. Maybe it would have added more for the audience. Because fact is, the audience likes closure. And having all of that come down and Jax having that realization.
Because the way the plot plays out, Jax really only feels betrayed by Gemma killing Tara...and her setting in motions everything he did in the last act (that he now realizes was a mistake he can't take back). But the reality is, it wasn't just that back half. It was his entire life in the Sons. Everything. She caused it all (in some form or another).
choodi
Banned
Fiction is built around conflict and resolution. If you are going to introduce a conflict to your audience (the death of John Teller), you damn well better resolve it or have a good reason for not resolving it.
Not only did SoA not resolve the core conflict introduced in episode 1, it went out of its way to wilfully ignore many opportunities to resolve it for no good reason. In fact, the only reason in many cases was to keep Gemma alive and to keep dragging the series out well past its well-deserved date with Mr Mayhem.
The worst part is that the writers hinted so many times throughout the series that the revelation of Gemma's complicity in the murder/death of JT was going to happen and then, in the end, it was just ignored.
If the writers spent a little less time coming up with stupid easter eggs like the name of the truck driver and more time actually considering the story they were writing, there would be less hate for this shitty series.
Much like Dexter, the writers lost control of what the series was about and most definitely lost control of who their characters were, resulting in them becoming cariactures and one-dimensional. The story also lost all momentum and became no deeper than GTA with a bunch of meaningless side-quests shoehorned in to extend the running time unnecessarily.
After the genuinely good first two seasons, how anyone could possibly watch seasons 3-7 with anything but contempt is beyond me (a few bright spots aside like Opie's death).
By the end, there were only two types of people still watching. Those who just wanted to see the end because they had invested time in the series and wanted to see some sort of resolution and those who were convinced that SoA was the best show ever (these ones happened to be the kind of people who also thought Dexter was the best show ever too).
Not only did SoA not resolve the core conflict introduced in episode 1, it went out of its way to wilfully ignore many opportunities to resolve it for no good reason. In fact, the only reason in many cases was to keep Gemma alive and to keep dragging the series out well past its well-deserved date with Mr Mayhem.
The worst part is that the writers hinted so many times throughout the series that the revelation of Gemma's complicity in the murder/death of JT was going to happen and then, in the end, it was just ignored.
If the writers spent a little less time coming up with stupid easter eggs like the name of the truck driver and more time actually considering the story they were writing, there would be less hate for this shitty series.
Much like Dexter, the writers lost control of what the series was about and most definitely lost control of who their characters were, resulting in them becoming cariactures and one-dimensional. The story also lost all momentum and became no deeper than GTA with a bunch of meaningless side-quests shoehorned in to extend the running time unnecessarily.
After the genuinely good first two seasons, how anyone could possibly watch seasons 3-7 with anything but contempt is beyond me (a few bright spots aside like Opie's death).
By the end, there were only two types of people still watching. Those who just wanted to see the end because they had invested time in the series and wanted to see some sort of resolution and those who were convinced that SoA was the best show ever (these ones happened to be the kind of people who also thought Dexter was the best show ever too).
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
wait. whut.
Let me guess.
You also buy into the 'Adaptation of Hamlet' bullshit.
Kano on the Phone
Member
The show absolutely was an adaptation of Hamlet until it fell apart.
choodi
Banned
Agreed.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Well yeah, that's widely known, but it was painfully obvious when it decided it wanted its cake and eat it too.
The premise of the show and how it was parallel to Hamlet was great, then Sutter started going way too far away from what you could even call a loose adaptation. Like simply calling it a Hamlet story was all it took to make it high art. I should have clarified that I meant how Sutter kept insisting it was anything like Hamlet past season 2.
choodi
Banned
The problem with Sutter is that he's a no talent asshole. When left to his own devices, we got the travesty that was seasons 3-7.
Calcium
Banned
I finally finished the series today. I enjoyed the show for the most part, but my reaction to the end was surprising. When it finished I thought "Well, I'm glad that's done." which is something I've never thought after watching an entire series. The show stumbled a bit for me around season 3-4, but I kept with it. The end was a little over the top, even for this show, but I guess it was satisfying enough.
Edit: Forgot to mention, my biggest problem with the show was the damn kid that played Abel. What a horrible actor that kid is. Almost every line from him left me thinking "THAT was the take you went with!?"
Edit: Forgot to mention, my biggest problem with the show was the damn kid that played Abel. What a horrible actor that kid is. Almost every line from him left me thinking "THAT was the take you went with!?"
Kano on the Phone
Member
Got it. I definitely agree. This was Hamlet as told by someone with high testosterone and mild brain damage. It was Hamlet as told by a five year old kid who was just told the outline of Hamlet while mashing his toy motorcycles and action figures together in the sandbox.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
I have 100% no issue with wanting to add story. There's a difference between adapting Hamlet and just retelling it. But, for God Sake, follow the spine of the thing you are adapting. Having just bits and pieces of Hamlet in various parts of the seasons is not called adaptation. That's called homage.
Cornballer
Member
youbastards
Member
Jax was such a fuck up that he couldn't even commit suicide without ruining an innocent person's life. Shit ending.
Sutter doesn't realize that the moment Jax killed Unser, essentially he became the "villain" of the story. Sutter still thought the viewers would feel sympathy for Jax and he made this ridiculous drawn out ending that was completely sabotaged by the actions of the main character in the prior episode.
The show had some fun moments, but what a boring final episode.
Sutter doesn't realize that the moment Jax killed Unser, essentially he became the "villain" of the story. Sutter still thought the viewers would feel sympathy for Jax and he made this ridiculous drawn out ending that was completely sabotaged by the actions of the main character in the prior episode.
The show had some fun moments, but what a boring final episode.
a secret-boss
Banned
finally watched the last two episode.
At least he was an asshole to the end. All bad guys die at the end of the day. I just gotta let an innocent man do it
at least its over so I can finally delete this in my memory bank
At least he was an asshole to the end. All bad guys die at the end of the day. I just gotta let an innocent man do it
at least its over so I can finally delete this in my memory bank
Pegasus Actual
Member
Pretty much.
Seems like he would have lost most viewers well before Unser in any number of incidents. His treatment of Abel's first mommy comes to mind when he shoots her up with heroin or whatever against her will. Also, wait a second... wasn't she a lesbian that season? Ahhh whatever. It's best to not try to make sense of what Sutter comes up with.
Yeah that's when he went from flawed to irredeemable for me. It was all downhill from there though, to the point I was actually pissed off that he got to go out on his own terms after fucking everyone else over. There's not a single person alive at the end that he didn't fuck over. That's some last minute achievement right there.
Kano on the Phone
Member
He was the villain long before that. Tara was the closest the show had to a protagonist, which is why it got beyond awful when she died. After that it was just "120 Minutes of Jax Being a Dumb Idiot."
Jax killing Unser and then committing suicide by ruining an innocent person's life was just Sutter reminding us all that he has no idea how actual humans act.
Yep. And somehow Tig, who was the worst of all of them in the first several seasons ended more likable and sympathetic than the main character.
lol at calling Unser 'innocent'. The sheriff that played along with SOA throughout the entirety of his career using a flimsy excuse of 'keeping Charming safe' or some shit about not rocking the boat. The guy that knew Gemma's secret but kept it even though it could have changed Jax's entire life's trajectory. The guy that practically has Tara's blood on his hands for running to Gemma telling her stuff he knew would enrage her.
Give me a break.
LOL at 'Jax ruining an innocent's life in his suicide'. You're talking about Milo?! What life ruined? Some nutcase crashed into his truck. Shame. But Milo isn't going to keep in a room from now on or see professionals. Lets not get overboard. You can find stuff to criticize w\o trying to hilariously pull Milo into it or paint Unser as a saint.
Cornballer, have there been no post-finale interviews with Sutter that confront him about dropping altogether Gemma's part in JT's death?
Give me a break.
LOL at 'Jax ruining an innocent's life in his suicide'. You're talking about Milo?! What life ruined? Some nutcase crashed into his truck. Shame. But Milo isn't going to keep in a room from now on or see professionals. Lets not get overboard. You can find stuff to criticize w\o trying to hilariously pull Milo into it or paint Unser as a saint.
Cornballer, have there been no post-finale interviews with Sutter that confront him about dropping altogether Gemma's part in JT's death?
Memento Mori
Member
Well it was possibly Vic Mackey but yeah Jax wouldn't have known that. Jax was an awful person.
What? Read this article from a train driver who had someone jump in front of this train. It's unsurprisingly traumatizing,
Cornballer
Member
Nope. He hasn't done much press aside from the after show.
Kano on the Phone
Member
So telling someone some things makes you responsible for how they act on that information? What secret did Unser know that would have changed Jax's life?
Dude wasn't perfect, but he was for sure not guilty enough to be murdered in cold blood.
Last but not least, no one is saying that Milo would have ended up in a padded room, but watching a person die fucks a person up. You never forget it. Watching someone splatter right in front of you would definitely fuck a person up unless they were a psychopath.
No, it isn't. There's literally no possibility of that. You're imagining this.
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