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Sons of Anarchy - The 7th and Final Season - Tuesdays on FX
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Hilarious final episode. I loved it. The final episode should have been called 'Jax's busy day'
Starting off with Jax making T.O a full member of the charter ending years of weird racial politics, (Where were the other Grim Bastards? )jax double crossing the IRA. Jax being able to wander round Charming and surrounding areas killing people who wronged him and then wandering away slowly. the August Marks scene was the best. The show has always shown Marks was very,very smart and yet he leaves that place with no security? Jax stood shooting him for about a minute before he casually wandered away. No guards or cops in the courthouse?
It all seemed like a huge reverse and clear up hanging storylines so Jax could go out like a 'hero' even though we know his a scumbag.
As utterly despicable as he was. The show always felt more alive with him there.
Starting off with Jax making T.O a full member of the charter ending years of weird racial politics, (Where were the other Grim Bastards? )jax double crossing the IRA. Jax being able to wander round Charming and surrounding areas killing people who wronged him and then wandering away slowly. the August Marks scene was the best. The show has always shown Marks was very,very smart and yet he leaves that place with no security? Jax stood shooting him for about a minute before he casually wandered away. No guards or cops in the courthouse?
It all seemed like a huge reverse and clear up hanging storylines so Jax could go out like a 'hero' even though we know his a scumbag.
As utterly despicable as he was. The show always felt more alive with him there.
I liked the idea of him killing himself as I believe he understands that JT did kill himself. The fucking imagery though was so fucking overt. It was the type of shit you would get from a 10 year old that just learns the word. SAMCRO has crow in it so lets use crows and crows also mean death so that is like super imagery.
I did like the nod to the Shield with Chiklis doing the kill. It is stupid but a funny stupid. Like others have mentioned, the CG was horrid the whole episode. The car scenes in this show were never laughingly bad but the shots of the Irishman in the car were like out of a late 90's FMV video game.
Even with all that the stupidest thing was him saying to Chibbs that Tig was a good choice for vp. YOU FUCKING DEMOTED HIM AND WAS GOING TO GIVE HIM TO POPE ON LIKE THREE OCCASIONS AND PRETTY MUCH SAID THAT HE IS ONLY GOING TO BE LEFT AROUND UNTIL HE STOPPED BEING USEFUL. They should have killed Tig after his daughter was killed.
I did like the nod to the Shield with Chiklis doing the kill. It is stupid but a funny stupid. Like others have mentioned, the CG was horrid the whole episode. The car scenes in this show were never laughingly bad but the shots of the Irishman in the car were like out of a late 90's FMV video game.
Even with all that the stupidest thing was him saying to Chibbs that Tig was a good choice for vp. YOU FUCKING DEMOTED HIM AND WAS GOING TO GIVE HIM TO POPE ON LIKE THREE OCCASIONS AND PRETTY MUCH SAID THAT HE IS ONLY GOING TO BE LEFT AROUND UNTIL HE STOPPED BEING USEFUL. They should have killed Tig after his daughter was killed.
squidhands
Member
Pretty much the finale I expected, but I'm still disappointed in the finale. That ending was straight up rotten. That police chase looked like it was happening at 30mph, and good lord, did I ever NOT need to be beaten about the eyes and ears with excess imagery. I know nothing about this show has ever been subtle, but I also don't need to feel like the person writing/directing has the mindset of an angsty teenager.
I'm pretty sure that I won't be too interested in what Sutter does next unless he has some writing foil(s) to help reign in his more ridiculous ideas.
I'm pretty sure that I won't be too interested in what Sutter does next unless he has some writing foil(s) to help reign in his more ridiculous ideas.
FirmBizBws
Becomes baffled, curling up into a ball when confronted with three controller options.
From a true fan that has invested so much time into this series, watching most season 2 or even 3 times, this was the most satisfying ending that I could have asked for. It was perfect, I got everything I wanted, Jax went out in a good way, I got my little "epilogue" in which I have a good idea of what will happen in the future. I got closure. This ending was so satisfying.
Certainly one, if not the best finale I've seen to a show, on par with the masterpiece ending of the sopranos (
), the office and of course breaking bad ( IMO the greatest show of all time, however it is too often placed on a pedestal and everything gets unnecessarily compared to it).
This is my favorite show of all time, it had taken so much from the sopranos in the way that it was set up, your care for the characters, the way it was shot, and it is a much better version of that show IMO, which as a whole, was an overrated mess for most of its run. However, still a great show that set the tone for shows like BB and SOA.
SOA may not be the greatest show of all time, but it's such a beast, such an amazing show that has so much to it, they could do a sequel or a prequel if they felt like it, because of how much history it has.
Jax going from hating his father and believing he abandoned him, to finding him, understanding who he was by literally walking in his shoes at the end of his own journey.
Going from loving his mother to realizing who she really was
Gemma loving her "sons" too much to the point where she hurt everyone and her still getting to plant a seed with Abel in the end.
Tig living after being sent to his death by Jax not once, but twice.
Jax doing exactly what he set out to do, getting SAMCRO out of drugs, into more legitimate business, saving his family by sacrificing himself and being at peace with himself in the end. Making sure that he broke the cycle. Paying for the decisions and actions he undertook and being OK with knowing that he was a criminal, he was a terrible father, and in order to save his sons from the sins of him and his mother and his club, he had to die and ensure that his kids hated him. He had to remove all the history of his family, even the book he was writing for his kids, because he realized that he could never let them see the "real" him.
Jax finally understanding that he can't mix his family with his club, something Chibs learned long ago by keeping his "wife" and daughter in Ireland and away from him.
There's just so much to this show thats amazing. I feel like a part of me is gone, just like when The Office ended.
People will nit pick on things like episodes lasting too long,
. People will complain that characters don't use logic, or that Jax never gets shot or actually hurt physically, or a whole host of other trivial nonsense like the CGI in the final episode, but this show will always be one of the greats, and Kurt will always be a genius in my book.
It was an amazing ride, I'm so thankful and lucky that I was able to watch the entire series, spoiler free, commercial free, trailer free, interview free. I got to experience this show in such a way in which I never knew what was coming, I never got to overanalyze this show week to week or get the chance to nit pick at silly little things, and I got to experience it for what it was, one of the best shows ever.
There are only 3 complaints from me as far as this show goes:
1. Season 3 going to Ireland. It was necessary in the grand scheme of things, to set up future events and characters. But lets be serious, that season for the most part was terrible and ridiculous, outside of the amazing season finale and the episodes in america.
2. Clay's death. It felt too empty. The weight of his death at that point was lost, maybe he should have died a season earlier when he was still causing trouble? Him dying near the end of season 6 left a little to be desired.
3. Gemma's death. I just have a problem with the scene and how Jax went from being conflicted in the end of the previous episode, to barely showing any realistic emotion before killing her. Maybe she should have died an episode earlier? Maybe Jax puts a little more thought into it and still makes the decision. But him killing his mother after waking up from sleep? Not even a full day later? Just cry in Nero's arms one second and killing his mother the next? That was quick
Bonus: WTF was up with the limp? He limped 3 times during that episode then it just stopped happening. What was up with that?
Anyway, ill just end this post ranking my favorite seasons and ranking the finales:
1. Season 5
2. Season 6
3. Season 2
4. Season 4
5. Season 7
6. Season 3
7. Season 1
There was never really a drop off to this show for me, minus the season 3 crap, the show only got better, not one bad season, but in the end, 3 seasons stood above the rest to me.
Finales
1. Season 5
2. Season 3
3. Season 6
4. Season 7
5. Season 4
6. Season 2
7. Season 1
Certainly one, if not the best finale I've seen to a show, on par with the masterpiece ending of the sopranos (
another show which gets unnecessary, at least in one part, hate ,because people put too much emphasis on whether or not the main character dies, instead of questioning if it really mattered
This is my favorite show of all time, it had taken so much from the sopranos in the way that it was set up, your care for the characters, the way it was shot, and it is a much better version of that show IMO, which as a whole, was an overrated mess for most of its run. However, still a great show that set the tone for shows like BB and SOA.
SOA may not be the greatest show of all time, but it's such a beast, such an amazing show that has so much to it, they could do a sequel or a prequel if they felt like it, because of how much history it has.
Jax going from hating his father and believing he abandoned him, to finding him, understanding who he was by literally walking in his shoes at the end of his own journey.
Going from loving his mother to realizing who she really was
Gemma loving her "sons" too much to the point where she hurt everyone and her still getting to plant a seed with Abel in the end.
Tig living after being sent to his death by Jax not once, but twice.
Jax doing exactly what he set out to do, getting SAMCRO out of drugs, into more legitimate business, saving his family by sacrificing himself and being at peace with himself in the end. Making sure that he broke the cycle. Paying for the decisions and actions he undertook and being OK with knowing that he was a criminal, he was a terrible father, and in order to save his sons from the sins of him and his mother and his club, he had to die and ensure that his kids hated him. He had to remove all the history of his family, even the book he was writing for his kids, because he realized that he could never let them see the "real" him.
Jax finally understanding that he can't mix his family with his club, something Chibs learned long ago by keeping his "wife" and daughter in Ireland and away from him.
There's just so much to this show thats amazing. I feel like a part of me is gone, just like when The Office ended.
People will nit pick on things like episodes lasting too long,
something I hear complaints about but never noticed because I never once watched the show on TV, I have always binged or watched the episode commercial free the following day.
It was an amazing ride, I'm so thankful and lucky that I was able to watch the entire series, spoiler free, commercial free, trailer free, interview free. I got to experience this show in such a way in which I never knew what was coming, I never got to overanalyze this show week to week or get the chance to nit pick at silly little things, and I got to experience it for what it was, one of the best shows ever.
There are only 3 complaints from me as far as this show goes:
1. Season 3 going to Ireland. It was necessary in the grand scheme of things, to set up future events and characters. But lets be serious, that season for the most part was terrible and ridiculous, outside of the amazing season finale and the episodes in america.
2. Clay's death. It felt too empty. The weight of his death at that point was lost, maybe he should have died a season earlier when he was still causing trouble? Him dying near the end of season 6 left a little to be desired.
3. Gemma's death. I just have a problem with the scene and how Jax went from being conflicted in the end of the previous episode, to barely showing any realistic emotion before killing her. Maybe she should have died an episode earlier? Maybe Jax puts a little more thought into it and still makes the decision. But him killing his mother after waking up from sleep? Not even a full day later? Just cry in Nero's arms one second and killing his mother the next? That was quick
Bonus: WTF was up with the limp? He limped 3 times during that episode then it just stopped happening. What was up with that?
Anyway, ill just end this post ranking my favorite seasons and ranking the finales:
1. Season 5
2. Season 6
3. Season 2
4. Season 4
5. Season 7
6. Season 3
7. Season 1
There was never really a drop off to this show for me, minus the season 3 crap, the show only got better, not one bad season, but in the end, 3 seasons stood above the rest to me.
Finales
1. Season 5
2. Season 3
3. Season 6
4. Season 7
5. Season 4
6. Season 2
7. Season 1
FirmBizBws
Becomes baffled, curling up into a ball when confronted with three controller options.
How so? The police were looking for Jax after he committed 3 murders and the bodies were found. No one thought to protect Marks because remember, Jax never "officially" called it in. Homeless people are always on the seats of court houses, at least where I'm from, NY.
Marks never thought to bat an eye, he just saw homeless guy covered in a blanket.
It was a great kill scene IMO. Jax didn't "get away" with it, it wasn't ike he was trying to hide it at all, he was killing those guys in broad daylight while surrounded by people on purpose, he wanted the police to come after him, he figured they would kill him and take the burden off his club.
It just so happened that ironically he got to die like his father instead.
FirmBizBws
Becomes baffled, curling up into a ball when confronted with three controller options.
By saving them from himself?
Lets not forget that he drove their mother to her death by constantly having his family in danger. Did you forget that they nearly died because of a bomb in season 6 because of something he did?
He was a terrible father throughout the show. He loved his kids, but he was never there, all he did was bring pain. Its not "abandonment", he's saving them from himself, breaking them from the cycle. He saved them from "the life".
At one point he thought his father abandoned him too, in the end he understood what really happened by walking in his shoes.
Heisenberg
Member
FirmBizBWS = Sutter?
Can't stop laughing at saying this was an improved version of The Sopranos.
Can't stop laughing at saying this was an improved version of The Sopranos.
FirmBizBws
Becomes baffled, curling up into a ball when confronted with three controller options.
Jax went down the way he wanted to. He killed his mother, another President, shot a member of his club in the arm, ran away from mayhem, and committed suicide.
He will be looked upon by his sons as an embarrassment, a coward and a person that abandoned them.
He ensured that they wouldn't follow in his footsteps, then burned all the letters of his and his father's so they would never know anything more than what he wanted them to know.
Jax died fixing all the mistakes that he and his mother made and he ensured that his kids would never go down that path by ensuring that they would grow up hating and resenting him because of what he intentionally did to make sure that they never know the "real" him.
Jax died peacefully because he died his way, protecting his family from himself, and protecting his club from the pain of killing him themselves.
FirmBizBws
Becomes baffled, curling up into a ball when confronted with three controller options.
The show in which
a fat guy runs around sleeping with everyone in sight, gets mad when people try to sleep with his women, psychologically tries to control those around him, gets shot by his 80 year old uncle, hits on and gets rejected by his psychologist. Ends his nephew's life. Really doesn't change much from the first episode. The writer never gave 2 shits for season finalies.
That sopranos? Yes.
SOA is the sopranos with more weight. People actually die. Actions actually have consequences. Things actually happen. SAMCRO is even more "Mob" than anything Tony and his crew ever did.
The sopranos laid the groundwork for SOA imo. its a great show, but maybe some people need to watch the sopranos over again and realize what it really is.
FirmBizBws
Becomes baffled, curling up into a ball when confronted with three controller options.
The irish king said if jax got rid of connor that he would make sure the other kings "at least considers" the Mayans. He killed him to insure that SAMCRO never got back into guns, that it was fully transitioned to the Mayans and leaves no doubt that SAMCRO is finished doing illegal stuff.
He killed Marks because obviously he could have tried to get revenge for being put in jail, having his construction thing get messed up, and having his men killed.
Mix Master
Member
kurt sutter is a fucking loon. i hope someone that is not crazy tries to make a good consistent biker show.
Miles Quaritch
Member
I would have been happy with this or literally anything other than the ending we got. I would have been happy with a shot of Opie and Jax sitting on the roof as they knock back a few. That would have been a nice last shot.
soldierblue
Member
The show has been pretty terrible for awhile, but that ending lol. That chase scene had to be at like 25mph. Plus the usual scene where they put on a shitty cover and show the various characters looking at things dramatically. So bad.
That doesn't answer my question about retaliation though.
videogamephilosopher
Banned
The point where I gave up all hope for the show was when they (sons of anarchy club) went off roading in the winnebago with rock music playing in the background and celebrated at the end. I always watch shows to completion though, so I am happy it ran its course and everything was resolved.
Last episode highlight for me was when happy got shot in the arm and just wrapped it up with gauze. No biggie
Last episode highlight for me was when happy got shot in the arm and just wrapped it up with gauze. No biggie
dave is ok
aztek is ok
It's kind of genius for an untalented guy like Sutter to write a show about a bunch of people without families - that way it's easier to make them completely one dimensional without catching flak for it
The Horror the horror
Banned
I didn't want to watch this season's episodes, and I missed most of last season's, but my GF convinced me to keep watching.
Wish I ignored her.
Jax was awful as a club president. He had no presence, no charisma, no swagger. He was better off as a #2.
Clay was the man, but he and the show took a hit when he went off the rails and started doing slimeball shit to further his personal interest. I think the murder of Opie's wife and the subsequent cover-up was the starting point to the show's descent.
Wish I ignored her.
Jax was awful as a club president. He had no presence, no charisma, no swagger. He was better off as a #2.
Clay was the man, but he and the show took a hit when he went off the rails and started doing slimeball shit to further his personal interest. I think the murder of Opie's wife and the subsequent cover-up was the starting point to the show's descent.
RoninChaos
Member
... did I just see someone say that Sons of Anarchy was better than the Sopranos?
choodi
Banned
From a true fan that has invested so much time into this series, watching most season 2 or even 3 times, this was the most satisfying ending that I could have asked for. It was perfect, I got everything I wanted, Jax went out in a good way, I got my little "epilogue" in which I have a good idea of what will happen in the future. I got closure. This ending was so satisfying.
Certainly one, if not the best finale I've seen to a show, on par with the masterpiece ending of the sopranos (), the office and of course breaking bad ( IMO the greatest show of all time, however it is too often placed on a pedestal and everything gets unnecessarily compared to it).another show which gets unnecessary, at least in one part, hate ,because people put too much emphasis on whether or not the main character dies, instead of questioning if it really mattered
This is my favorite show of all time, it had taken so much from the sopranos in the way that it was set up, your care for the characters, the way it was shot, and it is a much better version of that show IMO, which as a whole, was an overrated mess for most of its run. However, still a great show that set the tone for shows like BB and SOA.
SOA may not be the greatest show of all time, but it's such a beast, such an amazing show that has so much to it, they could do a sequel or a prequel if they felt like it, because of how much history it has.
Jax going from hating his father and believing he abandoned him, to finding him, understanding who he was by literally walking in his shoes at the end of his own journey.
Going from loving his mother to realizing who she really was
Gemma loving her "sons" too much to the point where she hurt everyone and her still getting to plant a seed with Abel in the end.
Tig living after being sent to his death by Jax not once, but twice.
Jax doing exactly what he set out to do, getting SAMCRO out of drugs, into more legitimate business, saving his family by sacrificing himself and being at peace with himself in the end. Making sure that he broke the cycle. Paying for the decisions and actions he undertook and being OK with knowing that he was a criminal, he was a terrible father, and in order to save his sons from the sins of him and his mother and his club, he had to die and ensure that his kids hated him. He had to remove all the history of his family, even the book he was writing for his kids, because he realized that he could never let them see the "real" him.
Jax finally understanding that he can't mix his family with his club, something Chibs learned long ago by keeping his "wife" and daughter in Ireland and away from him.
There's just so much to this show thats amazing. I feel like a part of me is gone, just like when The Office ended.
People will nit pick on things like episodes lasting too long,. People will complain that characters don't use logic, or that Jax never gets shot or actually hurt physically, or a whole host of other trivial nonsense like the CGI in the final episode, but this show will always be one of the greats, and Kurt will always be a genius in my book.something I hear complaints about but never noticed because I never once watched the show on TV, I have always binged or watched the episode commercial free the following day.
It was an amazing ride, I'm so thankful and lucky that I was able to watch the entire series, spoiler free, commercial free, trailer free, interview free. I got to experience this show in such a way in which I never knew what was coming, I never got to overanalyze this show week to week or get the chance to nit pick at silly little things, and I got to experience it for what it was, one of the best shows ever.
There are only 3 complaints from me as far as this show goes:
1. Season 3 going to Ireland. It was necessary in the grand scheme of things, to set up future events and characters. But lets be serious, that season for the most part was terrible and ridiculous, outside of the amazing season finale and the episodes in america.
2. Clay's death. It felt too empty. The weight of his death at that point was lost, maybe he should have died a season earlier when he was still causing trouble? Him dying near the end of season 6 left a little to be desired.
3. Gemma's death. I just have a problem with the scene and how Jax went from being conflicted in the end of the previous episode, to barely showing any realistic emotion before killing her. Maybe she should have died an episode earlier? Maybe Jax puts a little more thought into it and still makes the decision. But him killing his mother after waking up from sleep? Not even a full day later? Just cry in Nero's arms one second and killing his mother the next? That was quick
Bonus: WTF was up with the limp? He limped 3 times during that episode then it just stopped happening. What was up with that?
Anyway, ill just end this post ranking my favorite seasons and ranking the finales:
1. Season 5
2. Season 6
3. Season 2
4. Season 4
5. Season 7
6. Season 3
7. Season 1
There was never really a drop off to this show for me, minus the season 3 crap, the show only got better, not one bad season, but in the end, 3 seasons stood above the rest to me.
Finales
1. Season 5
2. Season 3
3. Season 6
4. Season 7
5. Season 4
6. Season 2
7. Season 1
Give it up Kurt, your show sucked
FirmBizBws
Becomes baffled, curling up into a ball when confronted with three controller options.
Explain to me what exactly that show does better than SOA?
0 character development- His wife, Silvio, his daughter, uncle junior (unless
altzimers, forgive my poor spelling,
SOA- jackson changes, his wife goes from trying to be like Gemma to trying to do whats best for her kids, even if that means leaving her husband. Clay changed between seasons 2-4. Tig lost a family member and led to the death of a member of the club and his wife
Nothing tangible actually happened throughout the entire show, the most meaningful things that took place in the entire series was:
- Christopher's death and conflict within his personal life.
-Paulie finding out that his mother isn't his mother
-Tony finding out people are fucking people that he wants to fuck, so he beats them up or just starts treating them differently. Has anger problems, is very bioplar, loves his family even though all of them are pieces of shit. Acts like a bully to those who want to fuck who he wants to fuck, gets bitched into doing whatever the NY guys want, until the very end.
-AJ cares about the world...
-Carmen wants money and to do something with her life to keep her busy
-Junior is old and has altzimers for like 2-3 seasons
-Tony's sister finally gets a family
Seasons are left empty with no sense of care at all for season finales, outside of the first season and what I felt to be a masterpiece in the end of the final season.
In the end, nothing really happens, Tony's life just goes on as usual, theres no real change from season 1 to season 6B in anything relevant. Tony doesn't change, still cheats/ comes close to cheating on his wife every second he sees a body he likes.
-Paulie finding out that his mother isn't his mother
-Tony finding out people are fucking people that he wants to fuck, so he beats them up or just starts treating them differently. Has anger problems, is very bioplar, loves his family even though all of them are pieces of shit. Acts like a bully to those who want to fuck who he wants to fuck, gets bitched into doing whatever the NY guys want, until the very end.
-AJ cares about the world...
-Carmen wants money and to do something with her life to keep her busy
-Junior is old and has altzimers for like 2-3 seasons
-Tony's sister finally gets a family
Seasons are left empty with no sense of care at all for season finales, outside of the first season and what I felt to be a masterpiece in the end of the final season.
In the end, nothing really happens, Tony's life just goes on as usual, theres no real change from season 1 to season 6B in anything relevant. Tony doesn't change, still cheats/ comes close to cheating on his wife every second he sees a body he likes.
Basically, the sopranos is just business as usual, a show that goes on and on without any thing really happening throughout the entire series. Yet its beloved and put up on a pedestal. why? I don't know. I like the show a lot still, loved the ending because
it was perfect, great tension, and whether or not Tony died would have had 0 impact on the show whatsoever. Some people took it as the ultimate F-U to everyone that invested so much time in the show. But in the end, if you sit back and watch the show again, whether he died or he didn't, it wouldn't have changed a thing at the end, the show wasn't going anywhere in the first place. He didn't need to die or live, whatever happened is up to our imagination.
SOA
-Clay destroys everything in his path to prevent his step son from finding out the truth
-Gemma loves too strongly, is controlling and does everything in her power to keep her family close to her and make sure that she "protects" them
-Opie loses his wife, father, his second wife, has no relationship with his kids
-Jackson hates his father, thinks he is weak, conflicted and that he abandoned him, learns that his father was killed, almost becomes like the man that killed him, loses his wife and best friend, while also doing very questionable things along the way like controlling Tig and Juice and essentially "buying" the table in season 5, goes revenge crazy in season 7 and costs numerous deaths to those close to him and in his path to revenge, makes amends in the end for his actions, pays the "ultimate" price in the end by taking his life because he realizes that he has brought so much pain to those around him and this was the way to "fix" everything.
Every season has a purpose, a conflict, a resolution and consequences. Scenes of pain and joy throughout the series, great character development/ revealing.
Members are killed, the main character goes to jail several times, loses many people close to him, theres a sense of weight to every action.
Basically, SOA is a show where things actually happen.The sopranos is a show about a Mob guy who
gets mad that he can't fuck his psychiatrist, everyone is constantly doing things to Tony, he needs to get his way, nothing ever happens to anyone important besides Chrissy and his GF.
SOA is the sopranos on steroids. Just my opinion. You may think the sopranos is the greatest show in the world and deals with deep issues and conflicts etc, but we will just have to agree to disagree.
Certain shows get put on a pedestal for reasons that don't make sense. The only thing I can think of is the time the show came out is what had the most significance on how people view it. Maybe at the time the sopranos was the GOAT, but if you watch the show today, its essentially a sitcom.
FirmBizBws
Becomes baffled, curling up into a ball when confronted with three controller options.
From the IRA? They will probably pin it all on Connor, its the second time he was around while a King died, they will put 2 and 2 together.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Jax has had zero character development for like three seasons now. Pretty much ever since he almost left his son with the couple in Ireland. He just turned into a villain, a shitty one too.
dead souls
Member
Eh, there aren't enough "cunts" in those posts to be from Sutter.
FirmBizBws
Becomes baffled, curling up into a ball when confronted with three controller options.
???
Changing from wanting to leave his club from being the only one who could hold it together. Then watching his best friend die because of the actions of another member who flew off the handle, then being put in a position where he has to work for the guy responsible for it all, trying to make amends for what happened. Watching members of his table like Juice and Tig turn into people he hated because of their actions, but had to use them in order to exact revenge for the death of his best friend and the killer of his father, wife, and his own father?
He made a full 180 from wanting nothing to do with the club and trying to find a way out in season 4 to becoming the glue to keep them together as they try to find themselves out of the whole that he and Clay put them in.
Finally being able to put Clay to bed, getting rid of the irish and the ties that held them down, then being put in a position by his mother in which he just lost his "vision" and could only see revenge, even after all the hard work he did to get them out of bad things, he had to drive them deeper because he needed them to help get revenge for the damage done to his family.
Finally understanding who he really was and finally doing the wishes of his wife, saving their children,by doing the only thing he could do because he knew he wasn't mean to be their father because he couldn't mix club and family, a lesson that he finally learned after all these years, even after seeing that Chibs couldn't do it, bobby couldn't do it, Opie couldn't do it. He finally realized that its impossible to have them both. He couldn't be a father and an outlaw.
He tried to give up his son in season 3 because he wanted to save him from this life, but then he found out he wasn't doing anything because he had a second child coming.He couldn't walk away from that responsibility.
He realized the damage that his family did to his club, and the damage that his club did to his family, so he did what he wanted to do as a man, pay the price for the sins he committed, removing himself from his club and his family in order to save them both.
He was a bad father, he tried to control his table, sent a member to his death not once, but twice. He wasn't a good guy, once he got the gavel in season 5 his life changed.
We all watched the same show right?? Is something wrong with me or something? LOL. Maybe I'm different because I consumed the show differently?
Anyone else consumed the show purely through services like netflix and video unlimited, etc from the first season till now and watched seasons multiple times? It seems that on here and a few other sites, some people are missing themes, not understanding who that homeless lady was, and a whole bunch of other stuff that Sutter did throughout the show.
Maybe theres a disconnect between the people who only watched the show on FX and waited 6 months or whatever for the next season, and the people who binged the show?
I don't know. I can't defend the show anymore,lol, i can't be a one man army of defense, I just some people just don't see what I saw, and thats okay.
FirmBizBws
Becomes baffled, curling up into a ball when confronted with three controller options.
Lol, maybe I am. But yea, theres no point, I'm not going to try and force my opinion on others. This show will always remain my favorite show of all time and thats all that should matter to me.
Maybe it does suck and I'm not seeing it? Kinda like how I view the walking dead as a terrible show that peaked in its second season,lol.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
I'm impressed that someone is able to discern that much of SOA characters' motivations. It certainly doesn't come across in the writing.
FirmBizBws
Becomes baffled, curling up into a ball when confronted with three controller options.
I've invested a lot of time in the show, a lot. SOA has never been one of those shows that you watch once and get everything, you have to go through it multiple times to see things.
Some shows, like 24, heroes, etc, you watch it once and that's all you need, but some shows require a little extra to get everything out of it.
BB is of the same vein
Summer Haze
Banned
Holy shit, this guy really loves SoA...
Fair enough. But comparing it with The Sopranos? LOL! It's not in the same league. That's like saying The Walking Dead is as good as/better than The Wire.
Try reading through the last few pages of this thread and you'll see why so many people think this show sucks so much. This show has been torn apart and laughed at in this thread after each episode has aired. I really would recommend reading through it.
Fair enough. But comparing it with The Sopranos? LOL! It's not in the same league. That's like saying The Walking Dead is as good as/better than The Wire.
Try reading through the last few pages of this thread and you'll see why so many people think this show sucks so much. This show has been torn apart and laughed at in this thread after each episode has aired. I really would recommend reading through it.
RoninChaos
Member
Just finished the finale. Christ. It was awful.
Summer Haze
Banned
I see what you did there.
Heisenberg
Member
Sorry Firm, SoA isn't anywhere near as deep and layered as you seem to think. In fact, the last few seasons could accurately be summed up as Grand Theft Auto: The Series.
im pretty much on the same page as you. i just don't care enough to argue about it. i find that most people i talk to about the show with IRL are on the same page as well.
i've really only seen this show hated on hard by folks on the internet.
sutter isn't the most elegant of writers but i can ride w/ a good 80% of the stuff that happened in SOA. and it kept me entertained and riveted right to the end.
Dreams-Visions
Member
That was the appeal of the entire show! lol
Digital Snake
Member
I wasn't going to say anything but LOL
I love the idea but the execution was so terrible my jaw dropped. I'm assuming FX gives Sutter free reign since SOA was their biggest show by far but IDK how he could look at that and be like "yep, put it in the show. it's a wrap!"
lol. Man, that's terrible. How could Sutter sit there at the editing table and think that was a good shot? Surely they could have made it just a bit more convincing than that. Maybe they blew their entire SFX budget on Goggin's fake tits.
Kabuki Waq
Member
Why couldn't Sutter go nuts and get Mackey to shoot Jax in the face and then put his shades on and walk away as the shield theme plays.
LQX
Member
That ending crash pretty much sums up this season. It got pretty stupid and crazy all the way to the end. How ridiculous to leave his kids like that. It just did not seem like genuine recourse he had to take. And I wish they would have shown the Gemma confrontation. What a build up with her getting so much screen time for nothing. I'm not even sure he was responsible their deaths as they skipped over it to show him murdering half-ass characters.
choodi
Banned
Why couldn't Mackey just shoot Sutter in the face and save us all from this horrendous mess of a show?
dead souls
Member
Wow. I can't believe anybody would want to watch the bloated boring episodes from this season more than once.
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