Sony GDC 2010 Press Conference (PS Move, PSWii Sports, PSWii Boxing, PSWii Party)
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Salt in the wound. Why Sony didn't just do a stand alone Gamers Day type event next month or so, where the games would at least be a little more complete, maybe even show something a bit more impressive, I'll never know.Man said:
It's like they were expecting something from Microsoft and Nintendo and didn't want to be left behind.
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Fenderputty said:
Sarcastic of course. The point is that Sony should have stayed away from motion sensing controller and keep making what they are best with: games. True games. If they want to innovate, just keep making great games like Little Big Planet. That's the way. This rip-off is not.
Willy105 said:
based on those impressions posted a bit up I was worried, but then they said the same problems exist in Wii Resort Table Tennis, so they're probably just being overly critical. Table Tennis in Wii Resort is pretty close to 1:1.
HAL_Laboratory
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Not many, judging by the responses. Sony fans are seeing guys in black shirts use motion controls for the first time and they're creaming all over themselves like it's some kind of game-changer. Some of these demos look prehistoric compared to what Nintendo is doing now.Baiano19 said:
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charlequin said:
I disagree, as the Wiimote is much simpler and the calculations it needs to do are much easier and more direct, so even though the theoretical limits are the same, technology may need to be a lot better for the Sony wand to achieve the same results. From a practical engineering standpoint, Wiimote pointing is kind of "better" and more "accurate" in a sense - unless, of course, the gyro things are already cheap and accurate enough for this not to be an issue at all.
Ding said:
Unlikely. See:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoH1IF5NdSQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFN8cW1mSVY
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darkwing said:
ME TOO!
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Cygnus X-1 said:
Who the hell knows though? Surely you and your magic fucking 8 ball don't.
I personally was never interested in a Wii. Mostly because I hate the graphics and don't care about their IP's outside of Zelda. I also wanted a BD player with my system.
I have thought about getting one for parties and such though. Now, I might not have to. I can get some of these motion party games and have it not look like shit for cheaper then getting a Wii.
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Cygnus X-1 said:
LBP is not the best example, as Sony actually bought it and didn't make it themselves. The best you can say about Sony regarding LBP is that they used to have a person with vision and insight who saw its potential :-/
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So what exactly is a "true game", genius?Cygnus X-1 said:
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You do know that Kobun Heat is one of the most respected game journalists in the industry...Raist said:
The ps3 fighter has huge lag. Anyone blind could see it. I see that the wand does skip a couple of frames but the lag isn''t much. You could see that the playstation wand skips a couple frames on most of the videos and isn't one to one in any of the tech demoes shown. It is close but what golem pick and choose which impressions he wants to agree with is just as bad.hRaist said:
I would imagine the ps3 fighter lag was mostly due to animation alignment with the wand controls which should get adjusted as time comes.
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HAL_Laboratory said:
And if you look back at the E3 and European trailers for PS Motion Controller, pretty much all of these games were in those past presentations in some form. (Maybe not Motion Fighter, the rest though look pretty familiar. So Sony may be calling them pre-alpha, but they have had working versions of these games for over a year now and all of them show control problems in their current state. I appreciate the graphics of some of these products, but you'd think they would have nailed the controls first before moving so deep into development. If even one were spot-on, that'd at least be something I could point to and say that Sony was on track, but I didn't see anybody concluding that this was true.
Move Dev Diary #2 on PS.Blog:
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/03/11/playstation-move-developer-diary-2/
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/03/11/playstation-move-developer-diary-2/
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Flachmatuch said:
If the end result isn't different, why do you care how they got there?
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Until you actually play something it is really difficult to know how good the recognition is. If you watch original Wii Sports baseball videos you would swear that the recognition is 1:1. You play the game and you realize that the swing is more of a predetermined motion than a 1:1 mapping of your motions. Watch a video of Wii Boxing and you would think that remote can track height, play it for awhile and you realize that it is all to do with the angle of the controller.Raist said:
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Baiano19 said:
I have, and a lot. But, I still think PS move table tennis looks and seems to play better then WSR table tennis. That's just me going off hands-on and video. Also direction, angle, and movement of your body is detected which is very important in Table Tennis (which by the way is not included in WSR).
As for Grand Slam Tennis, yeah nobody mentioned that until now. I don't think anyone is suggesting PS Move Table Tennis is better then GST. Because, lets face it. Grand Slam Tennis is on a whole different level compared to Wii Sports Resort Table Tennis and most likely PS Move Table Tennis as well.
Sentry said:YES.
Seriously? It's definitely not as 1:1 as that, I remember Wii SR tennis being more gesture based then the paddle actually moving 1:1 with you like the Move demo.
I just want to say that Wii Sports Resort Table Tennis is phenomenal. If this is anything like that (which is certainly appears to be), you guys are in for a treat. The sword fighting too. Really fun stuff, and WS:R doesn't get near enough love on this board.
Watching the movies, I didn't really see anything that looked a lot more impressive than WS:R Table Tennis, and in fact it looked very similar...which is a very good thing for anyone buying the game.
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See, that's the problem. You guys think huge, massive budget titles are "true games". That shit is just a tangent of the industry; it's not supposed to be the meat and potatoes of gaming. Not if you want to survive as a company. Smaller, economically sensible games -- Pac Man, Pong, Super Mario Brothers, for example -- are what created this game space, not Oblivion of War. There will always be a market for large games, but it's not a very practical business model on its own.Sentry said:
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gofreak said:
Bear in mind that what you've seen is a demonstration by the developers who know how to play the game, i.e. how to move in order to make the game appear like it's mirroring their motions in an exact manner. Unless you watched some videos I didn't manage to find. Really, I'd like to see more of the whole Sports Champions package as it seems to be the most interesting thing shown today.
These seem to be developer decisions though, not a limitation with the control.golem said:
For example in that same article they talk about how in the gladiator game you have a maximum swing velocity and delay between attacks. Well of course, I dont think the developer has figured out how to incorporate gameplay where youre just swinging at the computer like youre chopping onions.
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Baiano19 said:
*Raises hand*.
I did, and while much better with Motion+, they're still not as good as that Table Tennis Move game is looking.
Though, I obviously haven't played Move so I don't know how it feels; reports for the Sports Champions stuff sound very positive though.
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zoukka said:
also ITT: people pretending not to like this stuff now that it is on another console
nuke from space, only way to be sure, etc etc.
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TONX said:
Holy shit. But...is the lamp real?!???? I thought it was just on the paper.
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We're using .gifs to determine 1-1?
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lupinko said:
I was hyped for RE5 with controls as good as RE4. Unfortunately the aiming with Move is inferior to the wiimote aiming. Very disappointing. I guess I'll have to keep waiting for a real RE sequel on the wii.
The PS Move section of the website looks pretty awesome.Man said:
I only got to play the table tennis on Wii for a while, but it was pretty addicting, relatable to a really satisfying PSN game or something like that.Nicktals said:
I didn't say massive budget, I said 'real' budget, meaning the game isn't something like a small PSN title/mini=game, but a real fully fledged game/experience. Small games like you mentioned are just fine too, but I want to see this applied to big (core) games as well, which is something we don't see done well (at least not frequently) on the Wii and we probably won't see much of with Natal.HAL_Laboratory said:
No need to get your panties in a bunch friend..
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Linkzg said:
That's really shortsighted. Why does anyone have to like what they've already seen and/or experienced?
That's the hilarious thing about this whole setup: Sony wants people to get excited about things people have already done because they're doing it. If Sony really wanted to make headway with this, they should have taken what Wii has become and run with it, not started completely from scratch.
That's why i've been laughing my ass off all day at this thing: Sony seriously expects Wii gamers to drop Wii Sports Resort for...Wii Sports resort but with HD graphics? And pay 300 dollars plus for the privilege? This is 599 US dollars all over again.
Sony has had four years to learn from Nintendo's mistakes with the Wii, with 3rd parties, with the core's complaints, and this is the best they could come up with?