Sony is aiming to have the biggest transition. Price and launch games have a Lot to do with It.

I really think this will be the strongest launch Sony has ever had. They just seem like they have been prepared for this for far longer than anyone really thinks.

I do think they have much more to announce in the coming months to solidify just how strong their launch will be. Its a bad move to underestimate them.
 
lol, no the PS5 isn't going to cost $599 for either model. Does anyone honestly think Sony is going to aim to sell 10 million PS5's in its launch window at that price? (up until March 2021) We know they've recently doubled their order and those 10 million units are supposed to cover that launch window. That would put it at about 3 million more units than the PS4 for the same time period. The PS4 that sold for $399 and didn't have NEARLY as much momentum going into its launch as the PS5 does.

Whatever the PS5/digital prices will be, it's gotta be something reasonable if they expect people to pick them up on that scale.

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$599 does sound crazy, but I think we may see shortages and some retailers forcing bundles. If there's shortages anything goes, hopefully nobody here has to go to eBay is all I'm saying.

In an ordinary year I wouldn't worry about hardware shortages
 
IbelieveInGenerations said:
This is the real masterplan

PS5DE -399
PS5 - 449-499

Spiderman, Demons Souls and mystery big third party exclusive or timed exclusive on console launch.

Make sure You are emotionally strong for the Future announcments.
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So A spinoff SpiderMan Game, A remake of a game that not that is old, and a mystery 3rd party game is a great launch?

Uh no
 
We also know from the figures Sony released that with the PS4 they made a LOT more revenue from year 1 PS4 owners over people who picked it up later. I don't have the figures handy, but I'm sure someone could find them.

They've got a massive userbase of ~115 million PS4 owners who they'll want to transition over at a breakneck pace, and Jim Ryan has already said as much. You don't do that with a ludicrously high price. Any losses they may incur by going with a lower initial console price will be more than recouped from games, services, microtransactions and accessory sales.

Also we know from multiple insiders that Sony's smashed open the piggybank to lock down a lot of exclusive content to have a big first year, that's the type of move you make when you have enough people in your ecosystem in the first place to warrant doing that. The only way to ensure that happens is to offer a desirable price point to make transitioning over to the PS5 a no-brainer.

Whether it's the PS5 or the digital version I have to imagine one of them is $399. That's the magical price point the masses find acceptable to open their wallets and invest in a new machine. Realistically it'll probably be $399/$499 or $399/$449 for the digital/disc version since Sony will be more willing to take a bigger loss on the digtial since they'll get a bigger cut of any game sales by eliminating retailers for physical. A much less likely scenario but one that would generate a "holy shit" shockwave that would reverberate across the internet would be a $349/$399 split as that would be an extraordinarily aggressive pricing structure, but as I said it's lot less likely.

Somewhere in those ranges is where I think things will fall. If you'd like an excellent analysis that uses Sony's own operating forecast to give a few scenarios then here's a link:

www.resetera.com

Analysis : Why does Sony's Operating Profit forecast indicate PS5 will probably cost less than $499 ?

It will be a long read guys ;) Informations before we start : Q1 = April-June / Q2 = July-Sept / Q3 = Oct-Dec / Q4 = Jan-March PS5 = PS5 standard / PS5 DE = PS5 Digital Edition PS4 sold 4.5m units during Q3 FY13 (Oct-Dec) and 3.1m during Q4 FY13 (Jan-March 2014) PS4 BOM according to research...
www.resetera.com www.resetera.com
 
Elcid said:
Where and when? Receipts. Cause the Pro wasn't on sale for fucking ever. I traded in my launch PS4 AND my Xbox One with two controllers and a bunch of games in order to cut some $ off it.
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Sorry I dont have that for you. But seriously, the ps4 pro has been on sale many times over the past 2 years.

Here's reference to at least 2 times....
 
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dvdvideo said:
Sorry I dont have that for you. But seriously, the ps4 pro has been on sale many times over the past 2 years.
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I agree with you. It was released in 2016, so yeah it has gone on sale many times in the past 2 years. The first 2 years though it was never on sale. I think at most on black friday it went maybe 50 bucks?
 
All in all I think they're doing a great job for their typical audience. I can easily see this thing sell like crazy, especially outside of the UK/US. I doesn't look like it right now, but maybe some time down the line this economic turmoil will even benefit their market because people flee the more expensive PC space to safe some money.
 
We should have known Demons was close since the opening cinematic looked complete, that should be one of the last things they do. Umbasa! I know which game will be downloaded first.
 
Warnen said:
if it was that low why not announce it?
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A $500 disc-drive model would recoup the loss on a $399 Digital Edition, but they're willing to take a small loss to bring it to $450 if their competitor is more price competitive, plus covid scrambed plans a bit, which is also why the launch order was increased to 10M only later.

There
 
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MasterCornholio said:
Huh?

When the Xbox One X came out it was 499$ and the PS4 Pro was 399$.

Did you get the two mixed up?

Xbox One X Release Date, Specs, Price & Everything Else We Know

100 GB Xbox One X games are not out of the ordinary.
www.denofgeek.com www.denofgeek.com

www.gamespot.com

PS4 Pro: Specs, Release Date, and Price Confirmed

After announcing a new PlayStation console just prior to E3, Sony finally shares new details on its new, more powerful PlayStation 4 Pro.
www.gamespot.com www.gamespot.com
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one x was on sale for $299.99 better part time of the last 2/3 years. That's why I said almost.
 
kretos said:
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And that concludes Sony's message to all day one buyers.
 
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Least you expect , less chance of being disappointed. Its been my life motto. Low expectation, low ego, high performance. :)
 
I don't want to spoil a party, but if Sony targeted prices as 399 for PS5DE and 499 for PS5 they would scream those prices from rooftops already...

...just be real for a second. Do you really think that PS5 DE would be 399$ when BOM cost of console is (according to Bloomberg) 450$? And that's without logistics, R&D, DualSense, cut for retailers and manufacturing?

I mean, Sony has a successful generation, no doubt about it. But I don't think they are ready to burn all that cash just to put insane sticker price to their console. Do you really think they are willing to loose 150-200$ on every console sold? It's possible? Yup. But will Sony do it? I highly doubt it.

Yes, they want to send users to the new console as fast as possible. But they want to do it by offering games that can't be played on old-gen. Not by burning all money in their bank.
 
They will launch at 499. Hardcore gamers will get it.
In 2-3 years the PS5 will be at 399 and actually have a library of good games and the sales will start to spike.
 
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The PS5 making most of the mistakes of the PS3, including being way too fat for me to bother, I would actually bet on the exact same prices: 499$ for the lacking version (5DE) and 599$ for the normal one.
 
markusfenix75 said:
I don't want to spoil a party, but if Sony targeted prices as 399 for PS5DE and 499 for PS5 they would scream those prices from rooftops already...

...just be real for a second. Do you really think that PS5 DE would be 399$ when BOM cost of console is (according to Bloomberg) 450$? And that's without logistics, R&D, DualSense, cut for retailers and manufacturing?

I mean, Sony has a successful generation, no doubt about it. But I don't think they are ready to burn all that cash just to put insane sticker price to their console. Do you really think they are willing to loose 150-200$ on every console sold? It's possible? Yup. But will Sony do it? I highly doubt it.

Yes, they want to send users to the new console as fast as possible. But they want to do it by offering games that can't be played on old-gen. Not by burning all money in their bank.
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PS4s were sold at a loss for a minimum of $70. I think there was a quote back then that says you need to buy a game or two for Sony to break even. That was coming off of PS3.

I don't think they will lose $200 but I think they're willing to lose at least $100.

Edit: here. At least $60.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikka...e-a-loss-on-playstation-4-sales/#5318d3616f1d
 
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killatopak said:
PS4s were sold at a loss for a minimum of $70. I think there was a quote back then that says you need to buy a game or two for Sony to break even. That was coming off of PS3.

I don't think they will lose $200 but I think they're willing to lose at least $100.

Edit: here. At least $60.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikka...e-a-loss-on-playstation-4-sales/#5318d3616f1d
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I mainly think, that both companies wants to lose as little as possible, while staying competitive against one another. That's why it's almost September and nobody revealed their prices yet.

I don't know what the end cost will be, but I really don't see it being 399 for either of PS consoles. Why?

1. As I said...if it was 399$, Sony would scream that price long ago. Because there is no chance Microsoft would undercut them with Series X
2. BOM costs are high. Sony has expensive controller and expensive SSD solution and that "exotic cooling." This is not your cheap laptop Jaguar CPU, middle-the-road GPU, and standard 5400rpm HDD. Both consoles are targeting high-end PC hardware at the time of release. Jesus, they even using architecture that don't have any other product released yet.
3. Sony is buying software exclusives. That's because they want to use software as a leverage to get customers to their ecosystem, not cheap hardware. They didn't need to do that at the start of last gen, because they had more powerful and cheaper console.

I could be wrong but i don't think 399$ is realistic scenario. Everything points to the fact that this will be one of the more expansive start of the generation. Hell, even Microsoft has realised that and that's why Lockhart exists.
 
I´m pretty sure Sony hasn´t played out all of their cards yet. I feel like we will see more games together with the price or further console news in the next 4-5 weeks (probably even sooner due to the new TV spot during CL Finals).

Sony can absolutely destroy Microsoft when they ad one more killer game to the launch window that we haven´t seen yet.
 
EricKillMongerz said:
If this is actually real they would have announce it by now why risk waiting for Xbox to low ball you.
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Sony has doubled up their production of the ps5. Pretty sure they wouldn't be doing that if they're planning on selling it for $599. My guess is that they're just waiting for MS to go first, hoping they'll shoot themselves in the foot with a $599 Series X.
 
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MrMiyagi said:
Sony has doubled up their production of the ps5. Pretty sure they wouldn't be doing that if they're planning on selling it for $599. My guess is that they're just waiting for MS to go first, hoping they'll shoot themselves in the foot with a $599 Series X.
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So, let me get this straight.
Sony didn't announced a prices yet, because their prices are low and they are waiting for Microsoft to announce their prices when they know, Microsoft will have cheapest console (lockhart)?

WTF is that logic?

Isn't it more logical that Sony didn't announce the prices, because they don't want to be first who will tell a public "hey guys...remember that great 399$ console last gen. Yeah, this gen won't be that cheap"?
 
I would have put 499/399 at one point but then Sony upped production. Now, I think we might actually get 399/349.
 
I still does not understand what is the issue with 599USD, which is pretty fucking cheap, if you take into account how long the dvice will last you and that 599 is way less than it was before. On PC you get a fucking mid-range GPU, which last you 2 years...not the mention phones, etc.
 
The longer they a silent the more I think this thing will cost. I'm guessing the top of line models for each will be

xbox $599
Ps5 $699
 
I'm telling yas its

$399 PS5 DE
$499 PS5 disk version

$599 Series X
$299 Series S

Sony knows $399 is the sweet spot and they want to recreate that mic drop moment from when they announced the ps4. They would obviously take a hit on the DE version, but they'll be able to compensate by overcharging for the disk version. Of course, the disk version isn't going to cost $100 more to produce, but it would be pointless to sell 2 different models if there's only a $25/$50 difference between the two. It's called psychological pricing. People won't feel that's Sony's console is too expensive as they can buy the ps5 DE for $399. But once they're in the store probably loads of people will think "ahh well, might as well get the disk version for that lousy 100 bucks more."

MS seems to be marketing Series X as a premium console, which means it will probably come with a premium price. Since they also don't seem to care about how many Xboxes they'll sell, and which one you're buying, I don't see why they would be willing to take a hit on each console sold. Imo Series S will be their mass market console and official successor to the Xbox One S. Series X is more like the X1X, a niche product for those who demand 4k/60fps and are willing to pay for it.
 
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Sony always made sure the "old" playstation would have a killer lineup of games as a goodbye on the year of the "new" one.

It seems the difference now is not only the "old" will have a great year, but the "new" will also have a great first year.

If you have the games, you have everything to make a great transition.

And like that the people will do the hard work to promote the brand which is always the best way to make your message be heard thanks to social media.
 
mejin said:
Sony always made sure the "old" playstation would have a killer lineup of games as a goodbye on the year of the "new" one.

It seems the difference now is not only the "old" will have a great year, but the "new" will also have a great first year.

If you have the games, you have everything to make a great transition.

And like that the people will do the hard work to promote the brand which is always the best way to make your message be heard thanks to social media.
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What games do Sony actually have for PS5 launch window? An expansion for a ps4 game is their big title?

It's a shit launch lineup.
 
Already prepared for the worst case scenario with these Console prices. But with what they're carrying specs wise, I wouldn't be surprised at high end costs to get one. Despite Sony increasing production. Those units are gonna run post launch and into 2021.
 
MrMiyagi said:
I'm telling yas its

$399 PS5 DE
$499 PS5 disk version

$599 Series X
$299 Series S

Sony knows $399 is the sweet spot and they want to recreate that mic drop moment from when they announced the ps4. They would obviously take a hit on the DE version, but they'll be able to compensate by overcharging for the disk version. Of course, the disk version isn't going to cost $100 more to produce, but it would be pointless to sell 2 different models if there's only a $25/$50 difference between the two. It's called psychological pricing. People won't feel that's Sony's console is too expensive as they can buy the ps5 DE for $399. But once they're in the store probably loads of people will think "ahh well, might as well get the disk version for that lousy 100 bucks more."

MS seems to be marketing Series X as a premium console, which means it will probably come with a premium price. Since they also don't seem to care about how many Xboxes they'll sell, and which one you're buying, I don't see why they would be willing to take a hit on each console sold. Imo Series S will be their mass market console and official successor to the Xbox One S. Series X is more like the X1X, a niche product for those who demand 4k/60fps and are willing to pay for it.
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If Sony priced PS5 as you laid out here, the would take huge hit on base PS5 and even bigger hit on PS5 DE.
Also, current Microsoft isn't as out of touch (I hope so) to price Series X 100$ higher then PS5. They would want to at least match PS5 with price to create "more powerful for same price" narrative.
 
Whatever the price, I am getting the PS5 day freaking one. Now the only question I have is, will this be available across all major countries in the world on day one, or would i have to save up additional money to book round trips to countries nearby to buy the damn thing :(
 
ozz ex machina said:
What games do Sony actually have for PS5 launch window? An expansion for a ps4 game is their big title?

It's a shit launch lineup.
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When we talk about Morales it really doesn't matter what we think about it. It is Spider-Man and it will be huge as launch game nevertheless.
 
Warnen said:
The longer they a silent the more I think this thing will cost. I'm guessing the top of line models for each will be

xbox $599
Ps5 $699
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While you're at it, why not this......

PS5 w/disc: $899
PS5 DE: $699
XSX: $399
XSS: $199
 
ozz ex machina said:
What games do Sony actually have for PS5 launch window? An expansion for a ps4 game is their big title?

It's a shit launch lineup.
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Not to mention I'd like to know what this amazing outgoing lineup for ps4 is?
You can't even count tlou 2 as it was supposed to be out a year ago.
 
MasterCornholio said:
Huh?

When the Xbox One X came out it was 499$ and the PS4 Pro was 399$.

Did you get the two mixed up?

Xbox One X Release Date, Specs, Price & Everything Else We Know

100 GB Xbox One X games are not out of the ordinary.
www.denofgeek.com www.denofgeek.com

www.gamespot.com

PS4 Pro: Specs, Release Date, and Price Confirmed

After announcing a new PlayStation console just prior to E3, Sony finally shares new details on its new, more powerful PlayStation 4 Pro.
www.gamespot.com www.gamespot.com
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Not in reality. Deals on Xbox One X have put it at $300 or lower at times, especially if you take into account the value of bundled items. The Pro never goes that low. It's like Nintendo v third parties when it comes to maintaining price.

Here's a UK model factory refurbished for $200!!
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So yeah, a console with a substantially more powerful GPU for less? MS has already set a precedent for this.
 
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