captainraincoat
Banned
No mine didn’t…will check my other one later but i had to use one from one of my pc buildsAre you saying your PS5 doesn't have this screw?
Ran into my first issue….rest mode no matter what game is suspended always crashes
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Sony open up M2 SSD port to beta testers of system software
- Thread starter cormack12
- Start date
Ran into my first issue….rest mode no matter what game is suspended always crashes
Jigga117
Member
With the people who live in the same household….YES. I am a cable installer so I see this along many things dailyAnd you think those people own video game consoles?
Gamerguy84
Member
It's so easy almost anyone can do it, especially with the guides. There are ready YT videos popping up as we speak. I'm sure Sony will have their own.
I've done at least 8 different laptops with NVMe which is also easy physically, just more confusing putting win 10 back on the boot device. Actually most of those came with free software to clone the HDD to the NVMe.
However I'm one of those that won't need this for a while for reasons like I don't play 10 games at once, I'm not big on multiplayer games, already have external backup, fast internet, no data caps.
This is the same thing as past PS consoles except it's easier because your not replacing OS and all your data. Your just adding storage.
People will be fine.
I've done at least 8 different laptops with NVMe which is also easy physically, just more confusing putting win 10 back on the boot device. Actually most of those came with free software to clone the HDD to the NVMe.
However I'm one of those that won't need this for a while for reasons like I don't play 10 games at once, I'm not big on multiplayer games, already have external backup, fast internet, no data caps.
This is the same thing as past PS consoles except it's easier because your not replacing OS and all your data. Your just adding storage.
People will be fine.
Topher
Identifies as young
Then I wouldn't worry about those folks ever considering upgrading the storage in their console, no matter what. Hopefully they never unplug the things if they can't work out HDMI.
Orutisu Furio
Member
Source: https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/hardware/ps5-install-m2-ssd/
Important
This feature is only available to beta users at this time. The internal M.2 SSD expansion feature will be enabled via an upcoming PS5 system software update. Please check the guide below for more information. Please note that because this is a beta, features and specifications described herein may change prior to the official system software release.
What is an M.2 SSD?
M.2 SSD devices are a high-speed solid state drive medium that PS5 beta users can install to upgrade the storage capacity of their PS5 console or PS5 Digital Edition console (separate purchase required). We recommend verifying that you’ve received a beta invitation before purchasing a new M.2 SSD.
Why add an M.2 SSD to your PS5 console?
Once installed in the PS5 console, M.2 SSD storage can be used to download, copy, and launch PS5 and PS4 games, as well as media apps. This allows you to increase the storage space available to you on your PS5 console. You can freely move games between the PS5 console’s storage, a connected USB extended storage device and the added M.2 SSD storage.
M.2 SSD requirements for PS5 consoles
Interface: PCIe Gen4 x4 M.2 NVMe SSD
Capacity: 250GB – 4TB
Cooling structure: Using an M.2 SSD with your PS5 console requires effective heat dissipation with a cooling structure, such as a heatsink. You can attach one to your M.2 SSD yourself, either in a single-sided format, or double-sided format. There are also M.2 SSDs that have cooling structures (such as heatsinks) built in.
Sequential read speed: 5,500MB/s or faster is recommended
Module width: 22mm width (25mm width is not supported)
Form Factor: M.2 type 2230, 2242, 2260, 2280 and 22110.
These numbers can be found on retail listings for M.2 SSD devices. The first two digits refer to the width, the remaining digits to the length.
Socket type: Socket 3 (Key M)
Total size including cooling structure:
In millimeters: smaller than 110mm (L) x 25mm (W) x 11.25mm (H).
In inches: smaller than 4.33in (L) x 0.984 in (W) x 0.442in (H).
See below for full requirements.
Length
The following M.2 SSD lengths are compatible with PS5 consoles:
30mm, 42mm, 60mm, 80mm, 110mm (corresponding to the form factor type, per above).
Width
A 22mm-wide M.2 SSD module is required.
The total structure (including an added cooling structure) cannot exceed 25mm (0.984in).
Height
The total height of the M.2 SSD and its cooling structure (such as a heatsink) – whether built-in or separate – must be less than 11.25mm (0.442in).
The height must also be in the right place, in relation to the M.2 SSD’s circuit board:
(Note: millimeter measurements are the technical standard and are more precise than inches. We recommend double-checking that the total dimensions of M.2 SSD and heatsink products you’re considering meet the millimeter requirements before purchasing)
- The size below the board must be less than 2.45mm (0.096in).
- The total size above the board must be less than 8mm (0.314in).
If you experience problems while playing a game installed on M.2 SSD storage, move the game to the internal Ultra-High Speed console storage.
- Both single-sided and double-sided M.2 SSD devices are supported.
- M.2 SATA SSDs aren’t supported.
- You should carefully review drive specifications prior to purchase and contact the vendor or manufacturer if you need further information. SIE cannot guarantee that all M.2 SSD devices meeting the described specifications will work with your console and assumes no responsibility for the selection, performance or use of third-party products.
- Not all games are necessarily playable with the exact same performance provided by the PS5 console’s internal Ultra-High Speed SSD, even where the M.2 SSD device’s sequential read speed is faster than 5500MB/s.
- The majority of M.2 SSD devices with the above type numbers (M Key Type 2230, 2242, 2260, 2280 and 22110) and without a built-in cooling structure will fit the PS5 console’s SSD slot. However, sizes for cooling structures (like heatsinks) vary greatly. If you are not sure an M.2 SSD or cooling structure (such as a heatsink) you’re considering meets the size requirements outlined here, we recommend looking for another product option or contacting the vendor or manufacturer for more information.
Until Sony releases their own branded consumer line SSDs or “memory expansions” that you can buy on Amazon or Best Buy, with everything guaranteed to work out of the box, with the PlayStation logo on the retail packaging, all of this is just a mess for the average consumer to try and understand.
XBOX did it the right way at launch.
Fundamentally it shouldn’t matter. Of course, it can matter depending how how bad the cooling is.I've got 2 m.2 drives in my PC, neither have a heatsink on and both perform at the advertised speeds. It's as simple as checking what the recommendation is by the drive manufacturer.
NVMe heatsink really necessary?
I recently aquired my first ever NVMe drive (Samsung 980 pro) and I'm not sure if its required to have a heatsink installed. I will have my OS and games installed on it and not sure how hot these things will get. I read some sites that say you need one and other sites that say you don't so...hardforum.com
It pretty much is. If the SSD manufacturer say it will perform at the advertised speeds without a heatsink then that's exactly what it will do (if not you have a faulty drive). Suddenly slotting that same drive into a PS5 doesn't mean it's doing anything special.
M.2’s are often designed to be flat on a board with decent airflow going over them. One of the major concerns of the PS5 has been it’s really poor air flow and cooling capabilities, as proven by gamers nexus and I think one issue right now, is that there is basically no air flow or air being pushed directly over that SSD spot. Meaning, the only way to dissipate heat is to just radiate it off, since airflow isn’t going to help. And for thst, you will need a heat sink.
this isn’t about what the SSD states it can do without one, because that’s for environments where airflow isn’t a problem. Very choked air systems with gen 4 ssd’s have had issues.
in the end, Sony is just saying hey, we suggest you rediate that heat because we didn’t design a good enough cooling solution.
oh well. People won’t care. It’s just like messing with any pc.
For non pc or techie types, this is absolutely true. For the average end consumer it’s very confusing, even if inarguably more flexible. Series s/x solution is simple to understand.
still, I think most will get over it.
captainraincoat
Banned
I agree ….it’s not terribly hard to install the drive but trying to decrypt the compatibility is a minefield and most m2 drives that I have purchased don’t come with heat sinks so I got pretty lucky that the one I had spare worked but it sits pretty snug inside the bay so I don’t think it’s getting the airflow it needs to cool
love to see the professionals measure heat on this one as I’m not starting to notice quite a bit of heat coming from the ps5…..people with their units in a cabinet are going to have to move it out I think.
played Spider-Man and wreckfest now for a couple of hours and the wall behind my ps5 is actually very hot
DarkMage619
$MSFT
The other thing I have to appreciate with the Xbox solution is that I can grab that card bring it to a friends and play any of the games on the card. Is it possible to pull out the PS5 NVME and install it into a friends system with games loaded on it and play? I'd bring my own screwdriver.
Nitty_Grimes
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
Any increased fan noise have you noticed? Because, you know, this is what people are going to go bat shit crazy about if there’s an increase in noise…
Also, sorry, you got the SN850 didn’t you? Could you link please the heat sink you went for? I am hovering over the 2Tb model on Amazon as a previous poster mentioned, before all the scalpers buy them up.
Last edited:
small_law
Member
That's the drive I use. It isn't the fastest NVMe external drive you can get, but it's definitely fast enough for cold storage and playing PS4 games.
captainraincoat
Banned
Only slightly increased noise…but much hotter
Ssd used was Samsung 980pro
Heatsink was just a generic eBay special…single side with a thermal pad…held on with bands
Orutisu Furio
Member
I think eventually there will be officially branded PlayStation “memory expansions” but honestly reading those instructions and requirements will give the average consumer a headache.
kyliethicc
Member
You mean like this "official" hard drive for PS4? Its just a normal USB HDD with a PS logo on it.
Sure they could do that with a M.2 SSD. They probably will. But whats the point? So we can pay extra for a logo?
PlayStation External Hard Drives and SSDs (PS4 & PS5) | Seagate US
Maximize your PlayStation gaming with Seagate's PS5 & PS4 external hard drives & external SSDs - high-speed, large capacity for a superior gaming experience.
www.seagate.com
You mean like this "official" hard drive for PS4? Its just a normal USB HDD with a PS logo on it.
Sure they could do that with a M.2 SSD. They probably will. But whats the point? So we can pay extra for a logo?
PlayStation External Hard Drives and SSDs (PS4 & PS5) | Seagate US
Maximize your PlayStation gaming with Seagate's PS5 & PS4 external hard drives & external SSDs - high-speed, large capacity for a superior gaming experience.www.seagate.com
You wouldn't but some people are time starved instead of money starved so they pay extra for convenience. Not using starved literally.
MasterCornholio
Member
Should Sony allow NVME manufacturers to state PS5 comparability on the packaging?
Yes they should.
Should Sony have developed a proprietary solution instead that's double the price of your typical PC equivalent drive?
While the ease of use might be worth it to some I don't believe we should be paying 400$ for a 1TB NVME drive.
Yes they should.
Should Sony have developed a proprietary solution instead that's double the price of your typical PC equivalent drive?
While the ease of use might be worth it to some I don't believe we should be paying 400$ for a 1TB NVME drive.
Nitty_Grimes
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
Unless we get beta invites, probably wont be till September. Thats my guess.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
User upgrades from off the shelf components is always preferable to proprietary gouging solutions.
It was true for the vita, it’s true for the new xboxes.
Md Ray
Member
Even if they made a list or something of "PS5 Compatible M.2 SSDs"?
MasterCornholio
Member
I don't know why some people are trying to spin this as some impossible task to do. Not to mention fears of the console melting down due to the SSD.
Crimson_Fate
Member
What exactly is hard to understand ?? Sony said there would not be any capable drives available at launch and not to buy an SSD until they give you a list of compatible/tested drives . The Beta allows you to try an SSD if you have one but they are not telling you to go and buy one, they actualluy tell you it may not work if you do.
The only consumers this will be a mess for are those who don't listen to what they are being told.
Last edited:
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
It’s just console warz. If one of these companies shipped a console that gave you leprosy they’d be talking about the benefits of having leprosy.
Md Ray
Member
Yeah, Cerny did in fact mention that they'll be letting us know which drives to get.
Once you get a compatible M.2 drive, installing it is way easier than replacing/upgrading the existing HDD of your PS4/3.
Last edited:
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
Absolutely… I mean, providing one very limited and expensive per TB method of memory expansion though easiest to install is absolutely the right way to go.
I think $210 per TB sounds great. I also love that if I went above 1 TB I’d have to keep track of what I stored on what expansion drive.
Enough with the right n wrong way stuff. The argument is pointless.
I think $210 per TB sounds great. I also love that if I went above 1 TB I’d have to keep track of what I stored on what expansion drive.
Enough with the right n wrong way stuff. The argument is pointless.
Md Ray
Member
You're probably right. But it's still a peak 2.4 GB/s drive though... Not 5 GB/s like the
DynamiteCop!
here was trying to spin.iFixit reported the drive to be a WD SN530 inside SX. When you look up the specs of this part on the official page, this is what you see:
Last edited:
Evilms
Banned
PS5 compatible SSD M.2 Gen 4
-Seagate FireCuda 530 : $255 for 1TB
-Western Digital Black SN850 : $250 for 1TB
-Gigabyte Aorus NVMe Gen 4 7000S : $199 for 1TB
-Patriot Viper VP4300 : $225 for 1TB
-Samsung 980 Pro : $199 for 1TB
-Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus : $199 for 1TB
-Corsair MP600 Pro : $199 for 1TB
-Inland Performance Plus : $189 for 1TB
-A-data S70 Gammix : $159 for 1TB
-MSI Spatium M480 : $250 for 1TB
To be tested and verified :
-KINGMAX PX4480 for 1TB
-Silicon Power US70 for 1TB
Last edited:
sendit
Member
Agreed. People here keep projecting their own willingness and experience to do this. Regardless of price performance ratio. From a mass produced consumer product, the ease of use from a end-user's perspective goes to Microsoft. With that said, I'm sure Sony will release their own M.2 (w/ official PS stamp) drive to reduce confusion.
This post doesn't exactly have me jumping for joy with the current M.2s on the market:
"almost indistinguishable" isn't exactly.
Last edited:
Connxtion
Member
Normally I agree, but am getting to old to be faffing about with thermal pads and heat syncs
and can’t be bothered searching for a drive, that may or may not give me the correct performance.Also once the official supported drives list is final scalpers will start buying them all and you will be paying double, smart but scummy peeps.
Now in my eyes Microsoft has the right idea for the casual user, 1 drive and it just works. Do I wish there were cheaper options of corse but as of right now I can grab one for £180 and I just shove it in the back of the Xbox and done.
I wonder when MS is going to open the drive manufacturing to other manufactures?
MasterCornholio
Member
Yeah, Cerny did in fact mention that they'll be letting us know which drives to get.
All PS5s NVME expansion will work the same. It's going to be really easy to find one that works on yours based off a list that Sony and others give out.
MasterCornholio
Member
Whenever Seagates exclusivity deal ends. But even then not everyone is going to start producing drives for the Series consoles. With the PS5 you will still have more choice and lower prices in general.
ReBurn
Gold Member
That's exactly what I'm saying. They probably aren't going to do it themselves.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Its an SN530 with a different controller and custom ASIC for Gen4 support.You're probably right. But it's still a peak 2.4 GB/s drive though... Not 5 GB/s like the
iFixit reported the drive to be a WD SN530 inside SX. When you look up the specs of this part on the official page, this is what you see:
The controller is what err....controls the speed of a drive.
So while the serial number is SN530 its not the same as one you could just buy from WD.
They literally came out with a statement because people were erroneously reporting its just a stock drive:
The Series X targets 2.4GB/s but its drive can hit a max of ~4GB/s.Western Digital said:
MS literally just being conservative by giving the drive a bunch of overhead.
Hell the expansion card rated the same comes with an E19T controller....the E19T is rated to 3.7GB/s.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
In case this is useful, here is a posting (U.S.) regarding several choices of heat sinks for NVME drives in relation to PS5 installation. Notes Amazon.com prices and whether the cooling solution is good, bad, and whether they are tight fit or not:
nascompares.com
In case useful, here's a video of someone putting a heat sink around an SN850 including temp differences in the test they ran (Not in a PS5) before and after attaching one:
I just received this heat sink from Amazon.com:
• Designed for Compact M.2 NVMe SSD Installation
• Aluminum body, Anodic Oxidation Surface Treatment.
• Aluminum alloy-Groove design, greatly increase the heat dissipation area, with 10°C – 30°C cooling effect.
• Compatible with Singel/Double-sided M.2 2280 SSDs.
• Easy to install, and not damage the SSD
• Advancing Gene thermal pad is made from Nano Silicon Grease Material, with good thermal conductivity ability. Soft enough and good ductility, compatible with uneven surfaces of the M.2 SSD. Low viscosity, with no damage to the SSD label.
Includes:
• M.2 SSD heatSink X1
• Silicone thermal pad X3
• Fixing screw X6
• Screwdriver X1
What I found putting it together with the WD SN850:
• I have to say that I found it very well packaged. It comes in a box very similar to the packaging type Apple uses for their phones/watches..etc.
• The included screwdriver was magnetic.
• The package I got had a third and possible unintended thermal pad included.
• The instructions were color and printed on quality paper, easy to read.
* I have not put one in my PS5 yet.. not a beta tester. I was just sharing what my experience so far is for this particular product.
A Guide to Compatible M.2 Heatsinks for PS5 Internal Storage Upgrades
Compatible PS5 SSD Heatsinks - Stay Cool! UPDATE - The PS5 FULL/PUBLIC Software Update to enable SSD Upgrades on the PS5 Goes Live Globally on September 15th 2021 So, now that PS5 is in the process of enabling PS5 Storage Expansion slot for M.2 NVMe SSDs, many users who have got early access to t
nascompares.com
In case useful, here's a video of someone putting a heat sink around an SN850 including temp differences in the test they ran (Not in a PS5) before and after attaching one:
I just received this heat sink from Amazon.com:
Amazon.com: MHQJRH M.2 2280 SSD heatsink, Double-Sided Heat Sink, Matching Thermal Silicone pad for PCIE NVME M.2 SSD or SATA M.2 SSD: Computers & Accessories
Buy MHQJRH M.2 2280 SSD heatsink, Double-Sided Heat Sink, Matching Thermal Silicone pad for PCIE NVME M.2 SSD or SATA M.2 SSD: Heatsinks - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases
www.amazon.com
• Designed for Compact M.2 NVMe SSD Installation
• Aluminum body, Anodic Oxidation Surface Treatment.
• Aluminum alloy-Groove design, greatly increase the heat dissipation area, with 10°C – 30°C cooling effect.
• Compatible with Singel/Double-sided M.2 2280 SSDs.
• Easy to install, and not damage the SSD
• Advancing Gene thermal pad is made from Nano Silicon Grease Material, with good thermal conductivity ability. Soft enough and good ductility, compatible with uneven surfaces of the M.2 SSD. Low viscosity, with no damage to the SSD label.
Includes:
• M.2 SSD heatSink X1
• Silicone thermal pad X3
• Fixing screw X6
• Screwdriver X1
What I found putting it together with the WD SN850:
• I have to say that I found it very well packaged. It comes in a box very similar to the packaging type Apple uses for their phones/watches..etc.
• The included screwdriver was magnetic.
• The package I got had a third and possible unintended thermal pad included.
• The instructions were color and printed on quality paper, easy to read.
* I have not put one in my PS5 yet.. not a beta tester. I was just sharing what my experience so far is for this particular product.
Last edited:
Hypno285
Banned
Yes, Xbox did it right for it's braindead audience.
Literally any 256GB-4TB NVME gen4 m key SSD will work. It doesn't need to be 5Gb/s r/w and up.
I'd be fine with a 2TB 3500MB/s Nvme SSD if I had a PS5.
Last edited:
Mr Moose
Member
That's not how I read that... It says PCIe 3 x4 and 4 x2 are maxed at 4GB/s.Its an SN530 with a different controller and custom ASIC for Gen4 support.
The controller is what err....controls the speed of a drive.
So while the serial number is SN530 its not the same as one you could just buy from WD.
They literally came out with a statement because people were erroneously reporting its just a stock drive:
The Series X targets 2.4GB/s but its drive can hit a max of ~4GB/s.
MS literally just being conservative by giving the drive a bunch of overhead.
Hell the expansion card rated the same comes with an E19T controller....the E19T is rated to 3.7GB/s.
"For reference, the Series X targets 2.4GB/sec in uncompressed data transfers."
They tell you the speed here.
It's fooking raw!
I'll break down the comment:
According to Western Digital, the Xbox Series X's WD SN530 SSD isn't a stock OEM drive that's limited to PCIe Gen3 x4 performance.
- The original drive was 2.4GB's using Gen3 x4 (max 4GB/s).
Instead, the drive has been outfitted with a special ASIC that enables both PCIe Gen3 x4 and Gen4 x2 performance, which allows for up to 3.938 GB of max throughput.
-The drive in the Series consoles has been updated that enables both 3 x4 (like the OG) and 4 x2 (which is what Series consoles use). 3 x4 and 4 x2 allows for up to 4GB/s.
For reference, the Series X targets 2.4GB/sec in uncompressed data transfers.
-This is the speed of the drive.
Last edited:
MasterCornholio
Member
What happens if you leave the cover off?
I'm guessing some people might do that if the heatsink is too high for the cover.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
*Edit - Didnt see what she was working on just wanted a dremel type of GIF but even after seeing what she is working on I will leave it
Last edited:
vpance
Member
I assume he means it's like within 0.5s load time diff or something.
That said, that's only for a year 1 title. Not sure I'd want to put anything less capable than a 980 in there. I'll stick with cold storage for now.
ManaByte
Gold Member
Can't use the horizontal stand without it.
MasterCornholio
Member
Last edited:
Rocco Schiavone
Member
What was the video about??
MasterCornholio
Member
I think they were videos to show how easy the NVMEs are to install.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
That can fit with the heatsink right?
Tripolygon
Banned
Look at this rocket surgeon with big brains over here. How did you figure out how to do this?
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
According to Reddit quoting a Twitter user, yes. The built on one fits.