Well. When you say it that way.
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Sony to produce Wheel of Time TV series
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Egwene straight up gets bent over another woman's knee on a daily basis, and deals with it by learning to "embrace the pain" like her Aiel girlfriend showed her.
There's only so many ways to say it.
NiiloPielinen
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I certainly seem to remember a shit ton of spanking and switching, especially when they were trying to break Egwene.
I thought that was done with about same amount of subtlety as the early wonder woman stories by her creator.
Kabuki Waq
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They're getting movies, so that's something to look forward to.
NiiloPielinen
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Exactly. I don't remember what Aiel had but didn't that involve nudity and physical punishment as well? How old were these characters again when doing this? Was Egwene even 18 yet?
KonradLaw
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But WOT has huge advantage -it's finished. Sanderson is a monster, so Stormlight will be done eventually, but it's not the only thing he writes. It will likely take 20 years before it's done. Plus it would require insane budget today. Hopefully two decades from now they will be able to make it happen on TV
Cautiously optimistic is indeed the best description of how I feel.
As long as the make sure to fix the issues with depicting all women as shrill bitches and make the three main male characters more likeable, I am looking forward to seeing this world come to life.
As long as the make sure to fix the issues with depicting all women as shrill bitches and make the three main male characters more likeable, I am looking forward to seeing this world come to life.
toddhunter
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The Asha'mans version of the binding weave is basically
mind control, they have like foursomes with the aes sedai that they captured the same day.
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
When AGOT is over people will want more.
KonradLaw
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Yep. And WOT is huge in it's genre. Plus it would benefit greatly from trimming necessary for TV adaptation, especially the later Jordan volumnes
Hari Seldon
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Some (fantasy) casting ideas over at Tor. The article does point out that the first season especially is going to be whitewashed to all hell if you follow the descriptions in the books.
Some minor WoT spoilers in here.
http://www.tor.com/2017/04/20/casting-ideas-for-the-new-wheel-of-time-tv-series/
The casting for Lan is fucking perfect tho.
Some minor WoT spoilers in here.
http://www.tor.com/2017/04/20/casting-ideas-for-the-new-wheel-of-time-tv-series/
The casting for Lan is fucking perfect tho.
Good points, especially the shounen thing. Many story arcs build up to a point where
some main character or another (usually Rand, but Mat and Egwene have crappy moments with this too) just starts doing cool shit that's way beyond what they can normally do entirely on instinct, just because of bloodlines or something.
ISee
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Those choices are awful. chloe grace moretz as egwene? No.
Hari Seldon
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I have no idea who she is, but that pic makes her look the part haha.
To be honest, even if it's the worst show in the world, I'm going to be happy it exists.
Most of those picks are not so good IMO. Lan is great though, I agree.
Makes me think now. I guess the one thing that will disappoint me is if everyone is white:
Most of those picks are not so good IMO. Lan is great though, I agree.
Makes me think now. I guess the one thing that will disappoint me is if everyone is white:
Hari Seldon
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Most of those picks are not so good IMO. Lan is great though, I agree.
Makes me think now. I guess the one thing that will disappoint me is if everyone is white:
I don't know who most of those youngsters are as I don't watch Teen Wolf, but they look correct to me. I guess the problem is that most of the main characters require early 20s actors so there is a big risk of pulling a Shannarah.
As far as white washing, yeah the first season is going to be bad. Making the borderlands an asian culture is a great idea. In later seasons it should get better as the boys encounter lots of different cultures. But the ancestry of the 3 boys is pretty central to the main plot. You could make Moraine any race really, the only thing that I recall about her was that she was short lol.
LordOfChaos
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I think the heart of it would be easy to cover, the 5 types of weaves, interleaving several of them makes different things.
Some close up Power use could show weaves, while larger scale battles could show the meta effects (i.e beams of lightning rather than weaves within them).
Yeah I can definitely see that, the comparable budget to make Power use look good would be much much higher with meatspace actors rather than anime.
Human Resources
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Sony my dudes, sure I can't talk you out of this? No? Ok.
Cast young unknowns from the UK theatre/BBC, don't cast from the CW, & if you absolutely must have big names in the cast, limit yourself to one A-ish lister and some well known character actors. I'll end up watching this out of morbid curiosity, but I'll turn it off the second some part-time EDM DJ delivers lines in the same dialect as his Starbucks orders.
I'd be more than happy to have a series that isn't slavishly devoted to its source material in this case. There's plenty of material and a lot of cool individual scenes, but I feel like the most effective Television storytelling here is probably in a more stylized, loosely adapted saga. The more you try to stick close to the books here, the more glaring the omissions are when they eventually come, and when it gets real crazy, the plot could unravel altogether under the weight of it all. Just pick out the cool stuff/characters and have Forsaken lurking around like Cylons to give the viewers some water cooler speculation every week.
Cast young unknowns from the UK theatre/BBC, don't cast from the CW, & if you absolutely must have big names in the cast, limit yourself to one A-ish lister and some well known character actors. I'll end up watching this out of morbid curiosity, but I'll turn it off the second some part-time EDM DJ delivers lines in the same dialect as his Starbucks orders.
I'd be more than happy to have a series that isn't slavishly devoted to its source material in this case. There's plenty of material and a lot of cool individual scenes, but I feel like the most effective Television storytelling here is probably in a more stylized, loosely adapted saga. The more you try to stick close to the books here, the more glaring the omissions are when they eventually come, and when it gets real crazy, the plot could unravel altogether under the weight of it all. Just pick out the cool stuff/characters and have Forsaken lurking around like Cylons to give the viewers some water cooler speculation every week.
Yeah, I don't mind if the characters are accurate to the books. One of my favorite aspects of the books is how RJ mish-mashed many different cultures instead of your typical Olde English inspired everyone-is-british approach.
I actually hope it goes slightly reverse white-wash like the idea to cast Lan as Asian. It's a bit of a stereotype though to cast the sword master as an Asian I guess, but I'd rather have a little bit of a stereotype than an all-white cast. I'm not Asian though so can't really speak on that too much.
I agree 100%. No way this would work if they tried to adapt it word for word. This is a huge risk though given the names attached to the production. It's very possible this could be great, but it's way more likely they'll miss the mark. We can only hope,
hey_monkey
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I legit forgot about the spankings. Or I blocked them. There were some long, loving descriptions of spanking all through those books, which is so fucking infantilizing and ridiculous.
Hari Seldon
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So if AMC gets this we might avoid the spankings, but Starz will lean into it haha.
I found it ridiculous how the White Tower seemed (spoilers from the last few books)
to have absolutely no idea what to do with someone who wasn't broken by spanking.
"Spanking isn't making her behave! What do we do?"
"I dunno, more spanking?"
"It's not working!"
"Ok, clearly she should be our leader"
"K"
"Spanking isn't making her behave! What do we do?"
"I dunno, more spanking?"
"It's not working!"
"Ok, clearly she should be our leader"
"K"
hey_monkey
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That casting for Lan would maybe be the only thing to inspire actual hype for me. It will never happen.
These people should be ashamed for suggesting Penn Badgely for anything serious at all. He's the whiniest, most irritating dude, and I know Perrin's not necessarily a favorite but he's not a whiny pissant. And I don't think Badgely can play anything but himself.
Perrin is probably the character I relate to the most out of the three main guys. He's not actually whiney. It's more like he recognizes that everything happening around him is super important, feels like he's in over his head, and is afraid to screw things up.
I really liked how his character grew throughout the series.
I really liked how his character grew throughout the series.
Using Early Modern Europe as a base for the setting instead of Medieval Europe was an inspired choice on Jordan's part.
It's not that much of a stretch. The swords in the books are basically katanas and there are a lot of Japanese-ish names in the Borderlands.
True. I'm really curious to see how they'll do it.
LordOfChaos
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Legit never thought of it that way, but when you lay it out like that it does seem pretty plain to see, lol
I guess I assumed embracing the pain was just a battle thing for the Aiel
There was also the episode where Elayne (I think?) found a rod ter'angreal that made her do something she wouldn't remember, while all the wonder girls were giggling about it and Birgitte was embarrassed.
A lot of those choices just seem like random famous people instead of casting someone fitting. Emma Stone? Chloe Grace Moritz? Come on.
Also as far as I know Ken Watanabe is still dealing with stomach cancer.
Great reddit post from someone semi in-the know:
https://www.reddit.com/r/WoT/comments/66kj23/the_wheel_of_time_tv_series_facts_speculation/
https://www.reddit.com/r/WoT/comments/66kj23/the_wheel_of_time_tv_series_facts_speculation/
Morrigan Stark
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loooool ouch
no lies detected
I had legit forgotten about that. Man, it really was grotesque.
In the snow too lol. In addition to being a blatant perv, Jordan clearly doesn't know shit about winter and how fast you'd die doing that.
Wasn't Moiraine a Damodred (same house as that douche Galad (and others I probably forgot)?
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Thanks, very informative. However, this jumped at me:
Whaaaaa?? I hadn't heard of this!
Wow didn't catch that GoT spin-off mention. Probably inspired from those spin-off books.. dunk and egg I think
IIRC yes, she's a Damodred. Which is interesting because
Galad is half brothers with Rand. So doesn't that make Rand distantly related to Moiraine?
You know, I read most of this series when I was a kid, and most of the pervy stuff flew right over my head at the time. Now that I'm thinking about it again, a lot of it really is pretty eye-rolling.
Morrigan Stark
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I googled around and didn't find any confirmation that the spin-off was a thing, so I wonder how truthful that claim is. A year old source mentioned the HBO programming director Lombardo has no interest in a spin-off, but a more recent (January) one quoted the new programming director (Bloys, who replaces Lombardo) as being "interested" or at least open to the idea. I didn't research the claim much further since it seems to be pretty baseless for now, unless this person knows something the rest of the world doesn't...
Check the reddit post, he has a blog tracking his journey through following the development of the show. The guy seems moderately credible plus whats the chance a spinoff doesnt happen? There are only 13 episodes left but a shit load of cut content and side stories that can be made into shows or movies
For the spoiler, no.
Rand is related to Galad through Tigraine Mantear. Tigraine was married to a Damodred, but she's not directly related to them (or to the Trakands).
Moiraine is related to Galad, Gawyn, and Elayne though. She's half-sister to Taringail Damodred so she's their aunt.
Ah, okay. Thanks for the clarification.
Wheel of Time is kind of the opposite of GoT in terms of direction. GoT has excellent and complicated political intrigue while being relatively light on combat, monsters, and magic. Wheel of Time's political intrigue is much lighter but generally boring, but it has a lot of flashy combat and magic action. Its magic system is probably the highlight of the series in that it's very well developed, with interesting systems and rules that play a big role in the story.
The kingdom and culture stuff still gets complicated in WoT, but I found it much easier to follow because the books don't throw all of the various regions and cultures of the world at you at the same time.
As for the time travel stuff, it doesn't have time travel. It does play with concepts such as parallel worlds and reincarnation, though.
The first book is a pretty straightforward quest story that has a lot of structural similarities to the Lord of the Rings. The first season should tell the entirety of this book so it'll probably be pretty easy to follow. The second book is another quest so it shouldn't be too bad either. The third book on gets a lot more complex and a lot more convoluted.
Honestly, I think that the creative team will have to make a lot of changes in order to make the later books possible to follow. Still, the first couple of books will be pretty fun to see on screen, so you'll be eased in without too much difficulty.
I'd say that there's a lot of political intrigue in the story. I think that you're thinking of the later books when it becomes somewhat boring (I blame Elayne). In the earlier books, it played a much more interesting role. One particular example had fans debating the allegiance of a character for over fifteen years.
You can ignore the Red Hawk thing because it was a cheap grab in order to retain the rights. Think Fantastic Four 2015 levels of effort. Done properly, the first few seasons of the Wheel of Time can be pretty entertaining.
Lmao out of all ways to be introduced to this series, you picked the absolute number 1 worst way to check it out.
Other options for you:
The books
Audiobooks
The comics (doesn't cover the whole series)
Theres a fan movie showcasing a scene from the first book
You're talking about
Verin
There is political intrigue in the series, but I think it's rarely central to the story the way it often is in GoT. The political intrigue in WoT is something that runs alongside the main story in WoT, while it's the main meat in GoT. There are many instances in WoT where you could ignore the political stuff entirely and just enjoy the action.
You're right in that it's way more interesting earlier in the series than later on, though. Early on, it was interesting but still rarely gripped me the way anything did in GoT. Later on, the intrigue chapters increasingly turned into something that I had to slog through to get to stuff that I actually cared about. As you say, the Elayne stuff was especially bad, ranging from boring to actively annoying. I also distinctly remember a long and rambling chapter where some side character kept thinking about how many dresses to buy for her retainer for being so loyal to her. I'm really glad Sanderson dropped that particular sideplot like a ton of bricks.
I have this in my mental "Wait and see" file. I'm firmly in the "not every goddamn book series needs an accompanying TV/movie/breakfast cereal" school of thought, but if it's done well, I will definitely watch.
You might have a little trouble following the different nations and politics, but I have a feeling they're going to simplify a lot of it. Luckily there's a small cluster of main characters, and all the rest is flavor. The books have a problem where almost every character gets a name, so I had trouble because some random bar wench was mentioned by name suddenly and I had no idea who she was and if I'd forgotten her from some other earlier book. Nope, Robert Jordan just named a million characters.
This is a good summary. In this series, the concept of "time" isn't "time travel," it's "history repeats itself." I'd also say WoT is a lot more tame than GoT. There's sex and nudity and a lot of violence, but it's not as in-your-face and obvious all of the time.
I could have just read the first book and would have been perfectly happy. It had a nice story, I liked the characters, it kept me interested, and then it ended. I read the rest of the series and loved it, but if you're looking to just get your feet wet, there's no harm in stopping early. If I had one moment from Book 1 I wanted to see on TV, it would be
Oh yeah they're going to have to cut swathes of material, as well as the magic
You might have a little trouble following the different nations and politics, but I have a feeling they're going to simplify a lot of it. Luckily there's a small cluster of main characters, and all the rest is flavor. The books have a problem where almost every character gets a name, so I had trouble because some random bar wench was mentioned by name suddenly and I had no idea who she was and if I'd forgotten her from some other earlier book. Nope, Robert Jordan just named a million characters.
This is a good summary. In this series, the concept of "time" isn't "time travel," it's "history repeats itself." I'd also say WoT is a lot more tame than GoT. There's sex and nudity and a lot of violence, but it's not as in-your-face and obvious all of the time.
I could have just read the first book and would have been perfectly happy. It had a nice story, I liked the characters, it kept me interested, and then it ended. I read the rest of the series and loved it, but if you're looking to just get your feet wet, there's no harm in stopping early. If I had one moment from Book 1 I wanted to see on TV, it would be
Moiraine's "weep for Manetheren" speech from the Two Rivers after the first Trolloc attacks. Put a good actress on that and I'd get choked up.
Oh yeah they're going to have to cut swathes of material, as well as the magic
(if you can't channel, you can't see the weaves, so you'd have two Aes Sedai staring at each other really hard in a battle. Aside from any auxiliary flames, things flying around, etc the audience wouldn't see the magic itself. I think obviously they'd change that and have some nifty special effects.)
Vulcano's assistant
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pacing can only improve, right?
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