Sony X800D well - reviewed, 4k+HDR TV with low input lag
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That's where the CI+ module belongs, but that's cool that your HDD fits. Mine doesn't
(but I have the CI+ plugged in anyway, so...)Thanks to this. Looks great now for me. It also looked too bright and washed out for me before toning down the contrast.
So I tested this by forcing the set into HDR mode with my test patter disc enabled...
In SDR on my X800D, I can set the contrast to maximum - 100 - without clipping white 235 (reference white).
When I forced the set into HDR, the maximum allowable contrast setting before clipping reference white was 56!
What sucks is that contrast does not appear to be a setting that the X800D can 'remember' between SDR and HDR material. In addition, I had to bump color up from 47 to 53, another setting that is not 'remembered' by the set with HDR enabled..
Now, I do not recommend using this setting, as contrast at 56 in HDR mode looks like absolute dung.
EDIT: Obviously, 10-bit eliminated the 'pluge' patterns so the test was a bit bogus, but it does provide some insight into the relative picture levels from HDR into SDR. It would seem from this test that if a game is appearing washed out in HDR, there is some issue that is related to the HDR master, as hitting peak brightness isn't going to happen unless that contrast is maxed out when HDR is enabled. Lowering the contrast also diminishes the color brightness, evident from raising the color 6 steps. to retain the same color balance.
I would think this method could be ok, but realize the drawbacks and also maybe keep it within 5 clicks or so.
A few other notes: SDR to HDR reference black looked good between settings, so no need for black level adjustments, you will be fine as long as you are not forcing full from your set.
HIGH DEF JEFF
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Yeah I still can't grasp how the HDR is supposed to work or look on my TV.
When you dig into the HDR picture settings there is actually two types you can reset. HDR and HDR Vivid. But HDR Vivid isn't even something you can quick select from the Action Menu.
What's worse is if I have my Picture Settings on STANDARD and say go into the menu of The Witness and toggle HDR on and off. They results look almost identical. I mean, if you get realllll close to a purple plant it looks a little brighter in HDR mode.
This will be another weekend of tinkering and if I can't get the HDR to look like something special I am just going to leave everything connected through the VR breakout box and not worry about it till Horizon Zero Dawn comes out. Games being in 4K have made the biggest impression on me and it wasn't even something I was excited for when I bought the TV
When you dig into the HDR picture settings there is actually two types you can reset. HDR and HDR Vivid. But HDR Vivid isn't even something you can quick select from the Action Menu.
What's worse is if I have my Picture Settings on STANDARD and say go into the menu of The Witness and toggle HDR on and off. They results look almost identical. I mean, if you get realllll close to a purple plant it looks a little brighter in HDR mode.
This will be another weekend of tinkering and if I can't get the HDR to look like something special I am just going to leave everything connected through the VR breakout box and not worry about it till Horizon Zero Dawn comes out. Games being in 4K have made the biggest impression on me and it wasn't even something I was excited for when I bought the TV
Something is not set right if The Witness looks the same in SDR and HDR.
The Witness hours look worlds different HDR on/off.
You do not want to 'select any HDR. Let the set go into HDR mode automatically when it receives the meta-data.
Your not daft, its not listed as an input per se. Hit 'home' scroll down, and access Video, Music, or Pictures application.
Your USB drives need to be properly formatted and the videos in a folder entitled video. It is the same process for viewing usb media on the PS4.
Thank you sir
Unknown?
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HDR Vivid and standard?? Where do you select between the two? I only have options for on, off, and auto.
Dr_Boris_Goltz
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Interesting... Do you think it's worth the $300 price difference?
mullet2000
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Guys I aaked about this a few days ago but I wanted to ask about it again because I'm slightly worried about it:
I'm having a weird issue with HDMI Port 3. Sometimes when I load something up on it there's a ton of purple artifacts and rapid disconnects. About 25% of the time a switch to the input this will occur, 75% of the time everything is fine. My initial reaction was that this was a bad HDMI cable, but I've tried multiple cables and ports and it's definitely the port. This only happens with a 4k device either my Ps4 Pro or my PC, 1080p devices are always fine on this port no matter what. If I restart the TV after this happens the port works absolutely fine again, 4k/60fps/4:4:4 with no issues at all.
If it were happening all the time I'd just say it was a faulty port, but it isnt all the time. Also, if I go to the input and things are good, it will stay good no matter how long I'm on the input. Likewise, if I go to it and it's bad and artifacting, it will remain that way. This only triggers when switching to the input. Has anyone else gotten this? Does anyone have any suggestions?
The inconsistency of it is making me think it's a software issue rather than hardware. Bad firmware update maybe?
I'm having a weird issue with HDMI Port 3. Sometimes when I load something up on it there's a ton of purple artifacts and rapid disconnects. About 25% of the time a switch to the input this will occur, 75% of the time everything is fine. My initial reaction was that this was a bad HDMI cable, but I've tried multiple cables and ports and it's definitely the port. This only happens with a 4k device either my Ps4 Pro or my PC, 1080p devices are always fine on this port no matter what. If I restart the TV after this happens the port works absolutely fine again, 4k/60fps/4:4:4 with no issues at all.
If it were happening all the time I'd just say it was a faulty port, but it isnt all the time. Also, if I go to the input and things are good, it will stay good no matter how long I'm on the input. Likewise, if I go to it and it's bad and artifacting, it will remain that way. This only triggers when switching to the input. Has anyone else gotten this? Does anyone have any suggestions?
The inconsistency of it is making me think it's a software issue rather than hardware. Bad firmware update maybe?
I would swap the tv for another one. Sounds like a bad panel. Ive had no issues of the sort with that port.
mullet2000
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I would normally consider that more readily, but I bought it online so that's a bit of a pain. Also the panel is otherwise extremely good with no light bleed, great grey uniformity, etc. So I'm hoping this is something I can figure out through software or possibly something that someone else encountered, but if it isn't, yeah, I'll be considering doing that.
HIGH DEF JEFF
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Its not an obvious setting unless you dig around. If you set you image to HDR Video (or wait for it to kick in when you feed the TV an HDR image) you go to Picture Adjustments/Advanced Settings/Reset. When you click Reset you are presented with the option to Reset HDR or reset HDR Vivid. Whichever you choose becomes the HDR preset.
Gotta say HDR Vivid has a lot of wonderful colors and nice darks. Much nicer to look at then blown out HDR.
Also..does white text on an all black screen bleed all over the place. Put on Blade Runner before and the opening credits look horrible. Even when i dial up the local dimming and make the blacks nice and dark. It seems to be something with the way this TV is i guess because anytime there is a solid dark color on the screen there these patches of brightness. Kinda dont like that...
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Think Im going to have to go all in and use that silly Disney test pattern blu-ray those dorks at the avs forums used to babble on about. i bought it a few years ago when i got my first 1080p set. Need to get some solid colors on the screen and make sure theres nothing wrong with the TV. Might even sit there with that plastic filter over my eye to make sure the colors are right.
Gunslinger
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Do you guys keep advanced contrast enhancer on or off? having it on does bring more vividness to the picture but I think it also ruins the original image.
I've been absolutely loving this set so far. Best TV I have ever owned.
Spent a lot of time playing FFXV on this set through a PS4 Pro with HDR enabled. It's been the best console gaming experience I've had, possibly ever. Very excited for the other upcoming Pro/HDR games on the Pro.
While I keep my viewing room fairly dark, I was still worried about the brightness since it gets brought up a lot. "If only it were a 1000 nit display..." Well, all I can say is: THIS TV IS BRIGHT AS HELL! At least for my needs. It looks beautiful.
There is one small problem I've been having though. A few times when viewing youtube videos the video will just stop (as if it were buffering) but it never resumes. I can't find any way to fix it other than changing to another video and back. Pausing/Pressing Play doesn't fix it. And there is no way to 'refresh' it like on a PC. I don't really blame the TV, it's probably an issue either with my connection or with the android TV app. I don't know. Doesn't happen on Netflix.
Anyway, since I have a PS4Pro I don't have much use for the android apps which have PS4 versions. They seem to get better results.
Spent a lot of time playing FFXV on this set through a PS4 Pro with HDR enabled. It's been the best console gaming experience I've had, possibly ever. Very excited for the other upcoming Pro/HDR games on the Pro.
While I keep my viewing room fairly dark, I was still worried about the brightness since it gets brought up a lot. "If only it were a 1000 nit display..." Well, all I can say is: THIS TV IS BRIGHT AS HELL! At least for my needs. It looks beautiful.
There is one small problem I've been having though. A few times when viewing youtube videos the video will just stop (as if it were buffering) but it never resumes. I can't find any way to fix it other than changing to another video and back. Pausing/Pressing Play doesn't fix it. And there is no way to 'refresh' it like on a PC. I don't really blame the TV, it's probably an issue either with my connection or with the android TV app. I don't know. Doesn't happen on Netflix.
Anyway, since I have a PS4Pro I don't have much use for the android apps which have PS4 versions. They seem to get better results.
Advanced black crush enhancer? Always off.
The Artisan
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I wanna get this TV but the thing is I don't know if I'll have room for it. My room is 70 squared feet, the only place I can put it is where my current 32" TV is at. Will it fit?
Here are the specifications:
https://www.sony.com/electronics/televisions/xbr-x800d-series/specifications
Get a ruler and see if you can fit this in your space:
(WxHxD) 37 7/8 x 24 1/8 x 8 5/8 inch / 960 x 612 x 216 mm (this is with stand attached; 43 inch model)
The stand for the 43" model is 55cm long and 22cm wide. If your table is able to comfortably fit this and you have enough room on the side for the screen (don't know the length, I think it's about 1m in total), then yes.
E: b10
For va 43 inch version, I'd keep it off. For the 49 inch version, since it's IPS, I feel like it helps the blacks.
Ken Adams
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My 43" doesnt seem to have the hdr vivid option, anyone else confirm.
IIRC, HDJ has a 930 model, not the same as the 800
mullet2000
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Well guys, I've figured out what was causing all the pixelated artifacting when my PC was connected to my TV for me.
Essentially, if I have anything other than 4:2:0 selected as an output method, I get that artifacting. These are the settings I need to not get it:
I can choose 30hz and choose 4:2:2 or 4:4:4 or rgb and it'll work. Obviously I want 60 hz though. This is on either of port 2 or 3, when enhanced HDMI on.
Weird thing is though, I pass any 4:4:4 tests I've tried with these settings.
Is...this right? Above I also can't select anything but 8 bit colour. Is 10 not selectable this way? Could use some help from any of you guys who have a PC connected to this set.
Also I've tried both the HDMI that come with the PS4 Pro and the XBO S. I assume those cables wouldn't be an issue or anything.
Essentially, if I have anything other than 4:2:0 selected as an output method, I get that artifacting. These are the settings I need to not get it:
I can choose 30hz and choose 4:2:2 or 4:4:4 or rgb and it'll work. Obviously I want 60 hz though. This is on either of port 2 or 3, when enhanced HDMI on.
Weird thing is though, I pass any 4:4:4 tests I've tried with these settings.
Is...this right? Above I also can't select anything but 8 bit colour. Is 10 not selectable this way? Could use some help from any of you guys who have a PC connected to this set.
Also I've tried both the HDMI that come with the PS4 Pro and the XBO S. I assume those cables wouldn't be an issue or anything.
Ken Adams
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Ah make sense, thanks.
Dr_Boris_Goltz
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Is there anything I need to change outside of the "setup" part of the OP?
This TV is essentially for my PS4 and that's it.
This TV is essentially for my PS4 and that's it.
With 2160p RGB, 4:4:4 is the max with YUV 420 or 422, you can push 10 or even 12 bits.
mullet2000
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So just to be clear, the settings I have in my image are correct and what I should be using on this set? Because I can't make any changes at 4k without artifacting occuring.
You need to be at 10-bit at those settings 8-bit will be caca, and use graphics mode to minimize artifacting.
The problem is the TV isn't actually good enough to represent the HDR signal properly, even thought it can accept it.
Like feeding a 1080p image into a 720p TV.
Dr_Boris_Goltz
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mullet2000
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After playing around, I noticed I can select 4:4:4 on port 2 and get no artifacting, or 10 bit at 4:2:2, it all works perfect, but on port 3 I need to be 4:2:0 and 8-bit. It's almost like this thing is actually the same type of port at 1 and 4 or something, despite my ability to choose higher bandwidth options because they just result in purple pixels everywhere and rapid disconnects.
It's like "enhanced HDMI" allows port 3 to accept higher bandwidth signals, but it's not actually able to display that signal without severe artifacting and disconnects due to a defect of some sort. I guess I need to go do an exchange.
Dr_Boris_Goltz
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I have no idea what you're talking about.
All I know is I exchanged a Samsung 6 series for the X800D because the Samsung was an 8bit panel and it didn't represent HDR properly.
If you're telling me the Sony is the same way I wasted 300 bucks.
Get a grip George! Open your eyes and see the HDR. This panel is not the brightest, but it has a wider color gamut and displays brighter colors than th KS8000, which is a fine TV.
This set HDR is not the best in a well lit room. If you are in a dim/dark room, it's quite nice, particularly the 43"
FWIW, this set can properly dither a 12-bit signal as well.
Dr_Boris_Goltz
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Yeah you're right... I see a noticeable difference between the two sets. This TV stuff makes me freak out a little.
Don't worry, this tech will be obsolete very quickly, same with the KS8000.
Currently they master HDR at 4k nits peak brightness, and this set only hits about 1/8 of that. The KS8000 hits 1/4 of that.
The color space container is so large that the primaries are single wavelength and only lasers can do that currently.
In 2 years time, expect to see displays hit 98% of that.
We are in a really volatile time for this tech right now, a bit like laptops on the early 90's.
Edit: don't get me wrong it is still going to look great.
Theognosis
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I don't have it as well (at least when following the instructions). There's no prompt after I hit reset. I did this while the PS4 and TV's VLC app were in HDR mode.
HIGH DEF JEFF
Banned
Know how we talk about brightness of these Sony's sets vs the Samsung sets and how things will be different in a few years..obviously I have only been able to see my set in my living room but I can't imagine having a brighter TV.
At night I find the TV to almost blinding...when you launch the Netflix app there is that white screen for 2 seconds, it's like staring into the sun. It's crazy to think this is only 1/4 of the brightness we expect to see when those standards get ironed out.
At night I find the TV to almost blinding...when you launch the Netflix app there is that white screen for 2 seconds, it's like staring into the sun. It's crazy to think this is only 1/4 of the brightness we expect to see when those standards get ironed out.
lowhighkang_LHK
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leave all that nonsense off.
Yes, and thats only to hit current mastering levels. The end goal is 10k nits, already targeted by Dolby Vision, which is ~10X KS8000 and ~20X X800D peak brightness.
Currently, we can't achieve this with our technology due to limitations on consumer power requirements. We would need some highly efficient tech to do this.
lowhighkang_LHK
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No. Other than calibration settings. But you can use the sample calibration linked in the rtings review in the OP to get an idea of what works for you.
I followed their advice, except I have color temperature on neutral (their expert setting felt too red/warm for my tastes)
And I lowered contrast from max to 80. Since I play in a dimly lit room.
Also, the only HDR game I've tried thus far is FFXV and it looks fantastic. i don't do anything different with my settings for HDR. I leave it the same, leave HDR on auto - and it looks great. Maybe HDR works better on certain games than others, but no problem on my end.
HIGH DEF JEFF
Banned
Jesus..but how will anyone find this watchable in your typical average sized living room?
Like I said I already find this set to be way to bright. Had to find a good mix of bright/color and i think i found it but every once in a while a solid white (like when you boot up Rez Infinite) will come across the screen and we all turn our heads...even the dog think it's too bright!
Honestly sounds like you may want to dim the backlight (brightness), maybe create a night-time customs preset.
Content creators can still show a 'solid white' without having the brightness at max level, just keep it to 100 nits.
As far as 10k nits specular highlight, I really don't know. Should be reserved for explosions, the sun, freakkin laser beams, but yea thats going to be crazy in a dark room.
EDIT: Dolby actually wanted more than 10k nits:
http://blog.dolby.com/2013/12/tv-bright-enough/
Imp the Dimp
Member
So the TV ain't good after all?
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
What?
It's a fanastic for it's price point and what it does.
It's like rated 2nd or 3rd at rtings for best tv in it's class and price range. And the reasons why any other tv at a similar price range is 'better' is arguable as well. One may have better colors, while the other has better blacks etc. etc.
No HDR tv right now really does HDR the way it was meant to at it's best. But this TV does do HDR, and it looks great when it's doing it, far better than SDR.
That kind of tech is years from now. And at an affordable price range, who knows how much longer than that.
Sorry, what? Don't know where you are getting that. A lot of people in this thread are thrilled with this set. Very solid for the price, should serve most people's needs for quite a few years while things settle down and some other features roll out and come down in price.