Monad
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Sorry, I tried to say the GUI.
Sony X800D well - reviewed, 4k+HDR TV with low input lag
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Sorry, I tried to say the GUI.
Oh yeah I dunno. Why do you need that to be in 4k?
mullet2000
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Are there any specific settings I need to worry about on my PC (Nvidia card) when connecting it to this TV for 4K (like PS4 Pro's stuff needing to be on "Auto" settings)
Anything need to be done for the correct colors or making sure it's 4:4:4? Anything I need to change for a game using HDR (Shadow Warrior 2)?
Edit: Actually, on that note, Xbox one S doesn't have Auto settings like the PS4 Pro does. What are the right settings on the xbox one's end? Should the TV's settings still be "auto" for that too?
Anything need to be done for the correct colors or making sure it's 4:4:4? Anything I need to change for a game using HDR (Shadow Warrior 2)?
Edit: Actually, on that note, Xbox one S doesn't have Auto settings like the PS4 Pro does. What are the right settings on the xbox one's end? Should the TV's settings still be "auto" for that too?
Monad
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I don't, but it would be cool for esthetic overall.
It doesn't bother me though, I'm super happy with mine.
Got the 43" version a few weeks ago and so far I'm loving it. Definitely a huge step up from my previous set. I have encountered one annoyance with it that I hope someone here will be able to help me with. When the TV is off (or I guess in standby mode), it will periodically send power to any USB connected devices. I have a USB external hard drive attached for media and the TV will cause the drive to fully power on a few times every hour. As you can imagine, the sound of a hard drive being accessed in a quiet room while the TV is off can start to get annoying.
Does anyone know how to stop the TV from powering up USB connected devices when "off"?
Does anyone know how to stop the TV from powering up USB connected devices when "off"?
In the NVIDIA control panel. You can adjust these.
As far as the XB1S i just have it set up automatically. I think there is an option in the settings that will tell you if everything has a checkmark as far as how its running.
Random image from the internet.
I have the XB1S on port 3 and the Pro on port 2. On mine tho all the checkmarks appear green.
The PC is on port 1 and its not getting the 4:4:4 that we all would like. But i don't see myself switching HDMIs between, so i'll stick with the HDR that i get with it, even if its 4:2:2.
Hope this helps.
In the NVIDIA control panel. You can adjust these.
As far as the XB1S i just have it set up automatically. I think there is an option in the settings that will tell you if everything has a checkmark as far as how its running.
Random image from the internet.
I have the XB1S on port 3 and the Pro on port 2. On mine tho all the checkmarks appear green.
The PC is on port 1 and its not getting the 4:4:4 that we all would like. But i don't see myself switching HDMIs between, so i'll stick with the HDR that i get with it, even if its 4:2:2.
Hope this helps.
Still baffled that you can select 12 bit 444. I can only select 8 bit 420 on hdmi 1 or 4.
12 bit 444 I can do at 1080p but not 4k.
Then we are on the same boat. My standard res is at 1080p for ease of movement. It only triggers 4k whenever a game is at 4k. We also established that its not even running at 444. Tho those tests i did set the display at 4k.
Did you end up replacing your TV?
Yes exchanged for another 49x800d, zero backlight bleed so I'm very happy with it.
Not a Sony calibration. But worth watching for the logic behind it.
How to Set-Up HDR For Samsung 2016 4K TVs [PS4 Pro/Xbox One S/PS4/PC]
It would be nice if these guys would run some calibration tests on different TVs. Maybe i'll shoot them a tweet later.
I do think the X800D does do automatically some scale up of the settings to trigger HDR from the get go. Still. Might be useful for some.
How to Set-Up HDR For Samsung 2016 4K TVs [PS4 Pro/Xbox One S/PS4/PC]
It would be nice if these guys would run some calibration tests on different TVs. Maybe i'll shoot them a tweet later.
I do think the X800D does do automatically some scale up of the settings to trigger HDR from the get go. Still. Might be useful for some.
HIGH DEF JEFF
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I was browsing the AVS Forum thread for the XBR930D and came across this video.
It's being passed around as a good place to start when choosing your settings.
Sony KD-65XD9305 Best TV Picture Settings
Has to be a joke, right?
I will never understand this rule where you make everything look dirt brown when configuring your expensive TV sets. When I bought the 34XBR960 CRT TV in like 2004 it was the same way. Something about Kelvins and 6500 temperature. Looks pretty dull to me. But the AVS forums are so hard assed about that being the RULE. Fuck that, those settings suck and seeing this video for my new TV made me roll my eyes because I can't believe this is still a thing.
My rule...if the white text on my screen looks brown than I need to make it look white.
If the colors look dull make them not look dull...and if the colors look blown out make them not look blown out.
Im sticking with Standard and Color Temp Neutral and dialing down the Brightness and Color a little. Just had guests over to watch Speed Racer on the new TV and everyone was blown away by the way the movie looked.
It's being passed around as a good place to start when choosing your settings.
Sony KD-65XD9305 Best TV Picture Settings
Has to be a joke, right?
I will never understand this rule where you make everything look dirt brown when configuring your expensive TV sets. When I bought the 34XBR960 CRT TV in like 2004 it was the same way. Something about Kelvins and 6500 temperature. Looks pretty dull to me. But the AVS forums are so hard assed about that being the RULE. Fuck that, those settings suck and seeing this video for my new TV made me roll my eyes because I can't believe this is still a thing.
My rule...if the white text on my screen looks brown than I need to make it look white.
If the colors look dull make them not look dull...and if the colors look blown out make them not look blown out.
Im sticking with Standard and Color Temp Neutral and dialing down the Brightness and Color a little. Just had guests over to watch Speed Racer on the new TV and everyone was blown away by the way the movie looked.
You just like an inaccurate picture and that's fine.
HIGH DEF JEFF
Banned
Inaccurate to what, real life?
When I see white text on a piece of paper it looks white. Not dusty brown.
When I literally LOOK in front of me I don't have a beige filter in front of my eye.
You're accustomed to white with an obvious bluish tint. It's your TV at the end of the day, but those established standards are how TVs are professionally calibrated to displaying the same image as the director and production intended. That's Rec. 709 with a white point specified as D65 and a color temperature of 6500 Kelvin.
HIGH DEF JEFF
Banned
Not all intentions are good ones.
Just look at the intentions of the people who made that youtube video. Set the brightness to 3?? Fuck out of here with your nits.
If you listened to the first minute of the video, you would realize many recent Sony TVs including the Sony KD-65XD9305 in that same video labels the backlight setting as brightness and black level separately, which is the correct way to label this, whereas many TV manufacturers to this day still label the black level setting as brightness.
BotoxAgent
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People tend to focus on the whites. But these settings try to set ur optimum black levels, which is more important for a rich detailed picture. Give me less whites in favor of not having to deal with gray blacks which make the picture look flat.
6500K is always ideal but I completely know what you mean. For game mode, you can turn live color to medium, change temp to warm or neutral, use black level to low and get a more standard or vivid looking picture in game mode etc.
The Artisan
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so what's the consensus? is it worth it?
mullet2000
Member
People seem pretty happy with the set.
If you're looking for cons, there are two main ones:
The blacks could be better, they're noticeably imperfect in a dark room
and
HDR is good, but doesn't touch the 1000-nit sets, due to the brightness on the set just being average.
The rest is very good. It's still probably the best 4k set you can get in the 40-43 inch range. When it comes to the 49-50 inch range, I would consider paying a little extra for a Samsung KS8000 TV, as it's only a few hundred dollars more and is essentially as good as a 4k tv gets at the moment outside of OLED models.
Yeah I agree. Min brightness and expert color temp = shit brown filter over everything.
Just tweak things to your own liking and don't worry about avs forums. I posted settings a few posts ago I really like for the 49x800d that aren't really far off from rtings and other posters but I feel it's more pleasing to my eyes.
Min brightness or anything not near max brightness is really only for a room with 0 ambient light, which most people just don't do. I like to have at least a floor or table lamp on in a room, not sit in the dark.
Not having a totally dark room and using calibrated settings is going to look like shit.
Poimandres
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That only really applies to the 49inch with the IPS panel though right?
Contrast ratio at least even on the 43 isn't really all that great either. But in the 43 inch space not a ton of options. A 40 inch 6300 will have better blacks and contrast by a bit but significantly worse color, so it's kind of personal preference but imo the x800d will have a better hdr picture.
I have the 49x800d and came from a panny ax800u and briefly a h8c (which by most accounts is on par or better than a 6300) and honestly I don't the the blacks or contrast are bad enough to really complain about on the ips version even. So yeah not much to worry about.
The colors are nuts on the Sony vs something with a lesser color gamut, and the ips at least gets very bright. Max brightness and/or hdr is enough for me and 1000 nits I honestly think would just hurt my eyes / cause eye strain.
Hdr is much more noticeable on the the x800d vs something with less wide color gamut but better contrast, so I'll take the Sony any day.
The ks8000 I'm sure is somewhat better than the Sony 49x800d, but from a design perspective I think the Sony wins with the centered metal stand and black super narrow bezels. Ks8000 also seems to have build quality issues with the panel splittng off the back. I also think the Sony will hold resale a bit better.
mullet2000
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It's the case on the 43 too, but to a lesser degree when compared to the 49.
The blacks aren't bad, they just are noticeably not perfect blacks. I don't think most people would have issues with the 43 inch. It's just not going to fool you into thinking the blacks are perfect, either. I haven't personally seen the 49 inch but I'm sure it's not that dramatic of a difference.
TV arrived a day early, yesterday afternoon. Sadly I've been working like a dog and couldn't even open it up. I have some days off this week though. Gonna be a lot of fun setting it up.
Appreciate the impressions. In my case, anything in the 50+ inch range is too big for the room I'm putting this in. Also I'm upgrading from a rather outdated (circa 2008 or 09?) 24" monitor with a tv tuner inside. lol. It is going to be a huge upgrade no matter how I slice it. It's also a dark room, so the slightly low brightness shouldn't be a problem, I hope!
So I finally got the hdr working on the Ps4 pro and looks really nice when it kicks in.
Xbox one S with the same settings in hdr looks not as good. Looks overly dark and washed out. Someone said it has to do with how the Ps4 and xbox handle dynamic range (full vs limited)
Is this true?
Just looking for some suggestions on what settings you guys have for xbox one S and the 49x800d.
Overall the tv is fantastic but this hdr thing is a headache.
Xbox one S with the same settings in hdr looks not as good. Looks overly dark and washed out. Someone said it has to do with how the Ps4 and xbox handle dynamic range (full vs limited)
Is this true?
Just looking for some suggestions on what settings you guys have for xbox one S and the 49x800d.
Overall the tv is fantastic but this hdr thing is a headache.
Hdr does not run in 444/RGB on Xbox one or PS4. HDR10 content is 4:2:0 iirc.
Xbox when HDR is enabled for whatever reason does not seem to apply the same level of brightness that the PS4 does. For Xbox try maxing out your brightness to see if that helps and try these settings:
My settings for HDR gaming on the 49X800D IPS:
Picture Mode: Game
Auto Picture Mode: Off
Light Sensor: Off
Menu: Advanced Settings:
Submenu:Brightness
Brightness: Min if in near pitch dark room, Max during daylight, 30-40 if you have other lights on in the same room as the TV at night time.
Contrast: 90 (if you go higher than 90 the whites get clipped in uncharted brightness slider, even at min brightness in the in game slider).
Gamma: 0
Black Level: 50
Black Adjust: Off
Adv. Contrast enhancer: Medium seems to dramatically help contrast and blacks without crushing on the IPS model
Submenu: Color
Color: 60, adjust downward towards 50ish or high 40s, if you feel colors are oversaturated.
Hue: 0
Color temperature: expert 1, or warm depending on your preference. Lean towards warm as expert 1 sort of seems to put an unnatural reddish filter over everything. Warm is a bit cooler but not overly blue. Rtings would suggest expert 1 and if you like a warmer image go with that.
Adv. color temperature: Do not have any 49x800d reference points to do 10 point color adjustment so just left this as is.
Submenu: Clarity
Sharpness: 50
Reality Creation: Off
Submenu: Motion
Motionflow: Custom
Clearness: Max, this will help with motion handling (120hz backlight flicker) but also causes the screen to darken a bit. Turn this to min or off if you want a brighter screen.
Submenu: Video Options:
HDR mode: Auto
HDMI video range: Auto
Color Space: Auto
Thank you! I have a similar setup on the Ps4 pro but I'll try this for xbox one S and see how it looks
Latvian Hitman
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Inaccurate to the standards that all production monitors are calibrated to in the video content creation industry.
The D65 white point is the standard for greyscale. That doesn't mean that every time you see something white in a TV show or movie that it's going to be brown. If the colorist and director decide they want a scene to be cooler, then they offset the white point for that scene from D65 to make it however much cooler they want it to be. If they want it to be warmer, they do the same in the opposite direction.
When you arbitrarily decide to set your TV to a cooler (higher) starting white point than the industry standard, you're basically screwing up everything about the foundation of your image versus what the content creators were working from. A scene that was supposed to be a little bit cooler than D65 is now waaaaaaaaay cooler. A scene that was supposed to be a bit warmer than D65 is now not warm at all, but is still cooler than D65. That's what Geneijin meant by "inaccurate".
HIGH DEF JEFF
Banned
Glad to see someone else has someone sense and doesn't just obey the rules because someone with an ISF Cert said so.
Using Standard/Neutral as a basis I came upon a good picture by just adjusting the Contrast and Black Levels.
HIGH DEF JEFF
Banned
How do you feel when you see someone at a museum wearing sunglasses?
Was this posted?
Sorry if it was..
http://www.sony.co.uk/support/en/co...4K-TVs-with-UHD-STB-UPDATE-07-nov/KD-55XD8599
Sorry if it was..
http://www.sony.co.uk/support/en/co...4K-TVs-with-UHD-STB-UPDATE-07-nov/KD-55XD8599
Latvian Hitman
Member
Can't recall ever seeing that.
You gotta use your imagination.
Latvian Hitman
Member
That usually works.
Maybe you need to set your mindset from expert 1 to neutral or cool.
Latvian Hitman
Member
Makes my outlook too dull. I like vivid mode with extra black crush. Helps me avoid depression.
Fine! set your settings like you want them instead of how you should. Its your loss anyways.
That's just inaccurate and preference at that point. Nothing wrong with admitting you prefer that.
ElfArmy177
Member
Edit: I'm an idiot and didn't realize this TV supports ratios not 16:9
mullet2000
Member
3840x2160 is what you want. That is true 16:9 4k. The reason the screen is getting cut off when you pick 4096x2160 is that it isn't 16x9.
ElfArmy177
Member
Thank you so much!! I thought I was going crazy... Here is another question, is this TV good enough to handle HDR when it becomes implemented for PC games? I already have an Nvidia 1080 so I'm ready, I'm just scared I should have got a ks8000
mullet2000
Member
It's certainly good enough to do HDR.
However, it won't do it as well as the ks8000. This is because the peak brightness on this set is a bit less than half of that of the ks8000, and the blacks aren't as deep. Both being better on the ks8000 means better, brighter HDR with better blacks.
The x800d is a great set and the hdr on it is nice, but the higher end TVs do have better hdr. You've just got to weigh that vs. the price difference.
ElfArmy177
Member
Hm I'm debating returning and waiting for a nice 30inch 4k monitor with hdr.. lol thank you for your time
KS8000 peak brightness is more than double, sustained it drops to more than 500ish etc. The HDR isn't as good as the KS8000 but it still is HDR10 with better colors. At night or in a dark room, it matters slightly less than brightly lit room or daytime setting. I have both models. I enjoy HDR on both. KS8000 gets really bright. Sony gets bright enough that you see the difference etc.
If you don't have any proper PC HDR content, no need. You might as well hold off and purchase next years stuff.