Sony's Dig at Microsoft Thoughts ?

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So at the E3 conference, Sony's dig at MS was the savior of gaming, and now nothing has changed (for Sony at least) and suddenly this jibe makes them desperate and on the back foot?

I guess a lot of you must have seen Titanfall.
 
nib95 said:
Damn truth is what it was, and lol worthy. Microsoft's flip flopping is essentially non stop playing catch up with Sony, and there's no harm in Sony reminding people of that.

Also lol at the salt from some (not so surprising) posters in here.
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It is pretty hilarious that there are posters trying to make MS look better because they are making good changes and Sony worse because they are not. But Sony does not have to make any changes (except maybe the online paywall) because they made good decisions in the first place.
 
twinturbo2 said:
They were using free online as a selling point for the PS3, and snuck in a 180 during their E3 conference.

Oh, and I think they raised the price of PSPlus, to boot.
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That's not a 180. Simply doing something different an entire generation later isn't some big betrayal. Nintendo using discs for GameCube wasn't a 180 on their decision to use carts with N64.

Microsoft touted it's 'vision' over and over, they continuously made statements about how great their new policies were. And then a month later they reversed course on almost all of it. That's a 180.
 
twinturbo2 said:
They were using free online as a selling point for the PS3, and snuck in a 180 during their E3 conference.

Oh, and I think they raised the price of PSPlus, to boot.
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It sucks that they are charging for online multi play, true. But making that change for a new generation is when it should happen and is hardly a 180 in the same vein as MS. Also they are not putting apps behind the paywall still.

And they didn't raise the price as far as I know.
 
McHuj said:
I'm not going to fake outrage, but in a way, it reminded me of Sony back in 2005/06, arrogant and cocky. I'm convinced more then ever that gamers need a roughly split user base between Sony and MS, otherwise gamers are going to get fucked by the winner.
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I don't mind the corporate mudslinging considering these dudes wouldn't even pull to the side of the road to spit on me if I was on fire. But I agree with your second point. I need them all to compete. Not only because I buy all of the boxes, but even if I didn't the competition would make the one that I chose better. I hate the "I hope *insert company* demolishes the competition and we can go back to *whatever glory days*!". Like, fuck your dumb fanboy allegiance. I don't want my hobby run by one company.
 
phosphor112 said:
What?... it's the most power and cheapest device that was a hit with consumers day 1. It's got the dev support to back it up and hasn't had to do any damage control from the start.
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The reasons for that was their competitors own incompetence. If Microsoft had made Kinect standalone they would have probably been able to match Sony's price point. Same with DRM.

Take a chill pill.
 
Alienous said:
O.O

The Xbox One tried to be something different, and it wasn't something people wanted. It is now a better console for it. I won't give Microsoft credit for that, but I won't mock them for it either.
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The only thing they tried to do was f the consumer. As you know, for all their talk about cloud and always connected yada yada, they remove the DRM nonsense and 24 hour checks and the console is exactly the same. They weren't trying to do anything but maximize their profits at a ridiculous cost to the consumer. A company lied to you for months, got caught, and here we are now. Never forget.
 
If MS took consumer reaction seriously they would have looked at the months of backlash at the mere rumors of DRM in the new consoles and changed it before they revealed the console. It looks like they tried to see of they could get away with it first but since gamers did not fall for it the pre order numbers were not that good, and then they changed. It's great they eventually changed it but they brought this on themselves and deserve shit for it.
 
It won't be the first time a company has said something that downplays a rival and it won't be the last.

Microsoft aren't exactly innocent for it.

Basically, who cares?
 
Alienous said:
O.O

I'm starting to feel like people are viewing me as an Xbox fanboy, or something. I'm quite far from that.

I'm just saying that "they changed their policies to better reflect the needs of consumers, when we didn't have to" isn't the best diss, coming from a company like Sony, who would take systems like friends lists and achievements wholesale from Microsoft. It seems silly to ridicule an opponent who tries something new, and pursues a vision, especially when they back down from that because it's something their consumers don't want. Came across as petty, personally.

The Xbox One tried to be something different, and it wasn't something people wanted. It is now a better console for it. I won't give Microsoft credit for that, but I won't mock them for it either.
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The problem is that they told everybody they were wrong and laughed it up, and made stupid stupid remarks. Then pre order numbers came up and they acted humble.

Essentially not only they tried, they even called bluff first before folding.
 
prwxv3 said:
If MS took consumer reaction seriously they would have looked at the months of backlash at the mere rumors of DRM in the new consoles and changed it before they revealed the console. It looks like they tried to see of they could get away with it first but since gamers did not fall for it the pre order numbers were not that good, and then they changed. It's great they eventually changed it but they brought this on themselves and deserve shit for it.
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This was well said. There was plenty of feedback on the rumors before the reveal, yet they went forward with it anyways and tried to tell us it was for our benefit.
 
Pistolero said:
MS showed ONE new game (Fable Legends), a COD bundle and a FIFA preorders' initiative. That's it, literally. Yet they somehow brought the goods while Sony -which unveiled many more games at this Gamescom- didn't. Seems objective...
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Not that I'm picking sides or anything. I thought both shows from MS and Sony were lame but Sony's was more boring and yet they have the balls to pull jabs at MS. At least MS showed some exciting stuff.
 
I think that everything that keeps this episode fresh in people's memory is a very good thing. It was an empowering moment for gamers, and that energy will be needed.

The next few years will be crucial in deciding the future of gaming -- and whether people in the future will be able to experience its history.
 
LAMBO said:
The only thing they tried to do was f the consumer. As you know, for all their talk about cloud and always connected yada yada, they remove the DRM nonsense and 24 hour checks and the console is exactly the same. They weren't trying to do anything but maximize their profits at a ridiculous cost to the consumer. A company lied to you for months, got caught, and here we are now. Never forget.
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I'm inclined to agree, but you could also say the same thing about charging for Xbox Live / Online Playstation Plus. You could view it as being extortionate, but it could push the gaming medium forward as Xbox Live did.

But no, the console is not the same after the removals. They removed features like the 'shared game library' (which always seemed to be bullshit). But, perhaps, that could have been the benefit of being 'screwed over'.

It isn't that black and white, but I do support Sony in the decisions they made. And the PS4 is my console of choice next-gen, as the PS3 was this current-gen. I still think the end result is what matters, like the with PS3, so I'll continue to see the beating up of Microsoft for policies they've abandoned as silly.

Can Crusher said:
The problem is that they told everybody they were wrong and laughed it up, and made stupid stupid remarks. Then pre order numbers came up and they acted humble.

Essentially not only they tried, they even called bluff first before folding.
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They believed in their decisions, and likely their market research. They believed that they knew what they were doing. Perhaps with the launch of Xbox Live, it could be assumed that people would dislike having to pay for online. But they still done it. And it worked.

Maybe hubris, but they waited to see the evidence of consumer claims (pre-order figures), then decided to back down.
 
I see no problem with harmless jabs. Plus, just because MS changed their policies doesn't make them the good guy all of a sudden, so it's good see Sony reminding everybody of that :P
 
xxracerxx said:
It sucks that they are charging for online multi play, true. But making that change for a new generation is when it should happen and is hardly a 180 in the same vein as MS. Also they are not putting apps behind the paywall still.

And they didn't raise the price as far as I know.
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To be hilariously fair MS's 180s were also between generations. Which is fucking crazy when you stop to think about how different this console is from the reveal console. All before release. What an interesting industry.
 
AS someone that games predominantly on PlayStation, and that enjoyed the E3 digs (well deserved at the time) - I thought it was largely unneeded.
 
twinturbo2 said:
They were using free online as a selling point for the PS3, and snuck in a 180 during their E3 conference.

Oh, and I think they raised the price of PSPlus, to boot.
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This isn't the PS3 lol. Its a new freaking system. As stated before, if it was Free on PS4, then Sony changed their mind, then you would make sense. All of the 180s on Xbox One started as original Xbox One policies and then were changed. Free online play was NEVER a PS4 policy so Sony didn't 180 shit. Also, PS Plus is also the same price, it didnt go up. You are just swinging and missing badly. Sad,....
 
No thoughts on it. It was an easy dig, and it is fun when these guys go at each other. Fair game.

Not nearly as horrific as going after Cerny's hairline. That is worthy of being reduced to a junior by some butt hurt mod :)
 
LAMBO said:
The only thing they tried to do was f the consumer. As you know, for all their talk about cloud and always connected yada yada, they remove the DRM nonsense and 24 hour checks and the console is exactly the same. They weren't trying to do anything but maximize their profits at a ridiculous cost to the consumer. A company lied to you for months, got caught, and here we are now. Never forget.
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When you say "lied", are you referencing the conflicting talking points about their online model? Or that their press release contained deliberately false info?

Also:

PixyJunket said:
"Rumble is a last generation feature."

"Backward compatibility is important to PlayStation owners."

And many more, I am sure.
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Maybe this in ancient history to some, but I still hold Sony accountable for reversing policies that (unlike Microsoft), had an actual impact on customers. Also, "Rumble isn't compatible with SIXAXIS gyroscopes", "We had to remove backwards compatibility to reduce manufacturing costs to save the consumer money", "We have nothing to share with you about a possible PSN break-in at this time", the PS3's hardware feature list prior to 2006, and nearly everything they said about Cell
 
prwxv3 said:
It is pretty hilarious that there are posters trying to make MS look better because they are making good changes and Sony worse because they are not. But Sony does not have to make any changes (except maybe the online paywall) because they made good decisions in the first place.
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It's amusing to say the least.
 
Mifune said:
I thought it was lame and unnecessary, the low point of a pretty good conference. It just didn't need to be said.
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Can you explain this point you and a few others seem to have? Not seeing anything wrong with anything they said at a ... Conference. One that is to peddle wares to current customers. Message is everything. Look what happened to Microsoft when they could not send a clear one.
 
I like it when they acknowledge the competition. Sometimes things need to be highlighted for the masses to understand.
 
3rdamention said:
This isn't the PS3 lol. Its a new freaking system. As stated before, if it was Free on PS4, then Sony changed their mind, then you would make sense. All of the 180s on Xbox One started as original Xbox One policies and then were changed. Free online play was NEVER a PS4 policy so Sony didn't 180 shit. Also, PS Plus is also the same price, it didnt go up. You are just swinging and missing badly. Sad,....
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Expected nothing less from a guy with a Kaz Hirai avatar.

And I did hear that the price for PSPlus went up to $60/year.
 
Row said:
Aside from hats full of money...what did they so or do that was anything special?
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That's the thing. The money was put into good use. Sony just showed a bunch of indie games and some other boring concept stuff. MS showed gameplay. While MS is moneyhatting Titanfall, Sony is moneyhatting BL2 for the vita. A game that, by the time it releases in 2014, would be 2 years old and could most likely be purchased for under 5 bucks on better platforms.
 
Einbroch said:
Unnecessary. It was funny before, but now? Eh.

They're ripping on a company for changing their minds in favor of the gamer. Yeah, good burn, Sony. You really showed them.

If Microsoft came out and said "We paved the way with Kinect, unlike the other guys with their "eye" on us", people wouldn't think it's that funny.
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Ignoring the Eyetoy and PS Eye that both came out first... you know.
JABEE said:
Do people really think that was a shitty conference?
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Not everyone on Gaf likes games. Maybe these TV fans are wandering from the OT section.
op_ivy said:
they mad MS had a better showing today without a conference.
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? Eh?
op_ivy said:
?

i'm having a little fun in a shit thread.
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Your smiles and laughter show in every post.
op_ivy said:
and like salty bets, its nearly impossible to know which is real before the match starts. also, round 3 and on is a bitch. love salty.
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Killer Whale always wins.

And the PS4 is Killer Whale.
Poetic.Injustice said:
The reasons for that was their competitors own incompetence. If Microsoft had made Kinect standalone they would have probably been able to match Sony's price point. Same with DRM.

Take a chill pill.
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Except... it would still be weaker... for the same price... and.. their DRM policies wouldn't magically disappear.
 
funny, reminded me of snes vs genesis, sony vs nintendo, I cant remember much happening during the ps2 lifetime, that system just trounced everything so I dont think it was needed much then.
 
Shosai said:
When you say "lied", are you referencing the conflicting talking points about their online model? Or that their press release contained deliberately false info?

Also:



Maybe this in ancient history to some, but I still hold Sony accountable for reversing policies that (unlike Microsoft), had an actual impact on customers. Also, "Rumble isn't compatible with SIXAXIS gyroscopes", "We had to remove backwards compatibility to reduce manufacturing costs to save the consumer money", "We have nothing to share with you about a possible PSN break-in at this time", the PS3's hardware feature list prior to 2006, and nearly everything they said about Cell
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Last gen is last gen. 360 especially jasper forward was a remarkable system with many great games. Xbox one blew it. Sony learned, seemingly and at the very least embracing opportunity to soak in good will, from their fuck ups and gone above and beyond in making up for it with ps+. And they have so far sailed that ship straight in the transition to next gen.
 
twinturbo2 said:
Expected nothing less from a guy with a Kaz Hirai avatar.

And I did hear that the price for PSPlus went up to $60/year.
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It gets a little murky, because PSN is sold as an all-encompassing cross-platform service. It advertised being able to provide free multiplayer, since it was the responsibility of the publishers to host servers and therefore there would be no massive P2P multiplayer network for Sony to maintain and therefore justify charging money for. As far as I know, their multiplayer infrastructure hasn't radically changed, but Sony figured it would be wise to put third-party multiplayer servers behind their paywall. Which for them, is smart.

Hooflung128 said:
Last gen is last gen. 360 especially jasper forward was a remarkable system with many great games. Xbox one blew it. Sony learned, seemingly and at the very least embracing opportunity to soak in good will, from their fuck ups and gone above and beyond in making up for it with ps+. And they have so far sailed that ship straight in the transition to next gen.
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"last gen" is actually current gen. The new systems haven't even come out yet, so I'm not sure why you're referring to the transition in past tense.
 
DMPrince said:
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Yoshida :D

prwxv3 said:
It's going to be even more hilarious when Sony finally sheds that light on what all their in the dark studios are actually working on. I swear the PS4 is like some crow serving machine.
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Agreed. Some people are forgetting just how many studios they have making games. We even had threads just about the topic of complaining that they were actually making too many games because they couldn't afford to advertise them all. I can't wait to see what games all of those other teams have been up to that we've been making those studio lists about all year.
 
Monty Mole said:
Unnecessary today. It was fun at E3 but the fact that Sony feels the need to make digs at their direct competition stinks of desperation - when they have no need to feel desperate. It's like Sega back at the PS2 launch. It just felt forced today and lacked the class I'd expect from Sony.

Sony has a strong offering - so why?
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The overanalyzing here is hilarious. It was an harmless dig that doesn't mean anything in the long run.

lol @ lacked class. This sounds like a political campaign rebuttal statement. relax
 
Alienous said:
They believed in their decisions, and likely their market research. They believed that they knew what they were doing. Perhaps with the launch of Xbox Live, it could be assumed that people would dislike having to pay for online. But they still done it. And it worked.

Maybe hubris, but they waited to see the evidence of consumer claims (pre-order figures), then decided to back down.
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They showed the middle finger to their hardcore fanbase and then when they saw the "softcore" gamer wasn't pre ordering either they went back on their bs and now are hugging their hardcore fanbase while blushing more than strawberry ice cream.
 
Shosai said:
It gets a little murky, because PSN is sold as an all-encompassing cross-platform service. It advertised being able to provide free multiplayer, since it was the responsibility of the publishers to host servers and therefore there would be no massive P2P multiplayer network for Sony to maintain and therefore justify charging money for. As far as I know, their multiplayer infrastructure hasn't radically changed, but Sony figured it would be wise to put third-party multiplayer servers behind their payway. Which for them, is smart.
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Not gonna argue that, but it's still a reversal to me. Just my though.
 
It was truth. They are trying to win over fans with a bunch of "me too" announcements and Andrew shut them down. Saw no harm.

Just like i saw no harm in the 108475798 million other digs that's happened this gen.
 
Durante said:
I think that everything that keeps this episode fresh in people's memory is a very good thing. It was an empowering moment for gamers, and that energy will be needed.

The next few years will be crucial in deciding the future of gaming -- and whether people in the future will be able to experience its history.
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Nicely put, and agreed.
 
Can Crusher said:
They showed the middle finger to their hardcore fanbase and then when they saw the "softcore" gamer wasn't pre ordering either they went back on their bs and now are hugging their hardcore fanbase while blushing more than strawberry ice cream.
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For my own sake, has there been any actual evidence that the pre-orders is what caused them to reverse course? As far as I read, all those systems were selling out just fine.

twinturbo2 said:
Not gonna argue that, but it's still a reversal to me. Just my though.
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No I agree. It seems weird to suddenly segregate the PSN service by system when Sony has packaged it as a universal service for so long
 
But in general it is fun to have MS, Sony, and Nintendo take stabs at each other. Yes it is not professional to have multi billion dollar companies reduce themselves to petty slapstick comedy, but it is entertaining for the rest of us.
 
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