Melchiah
Member
Alternatively, some people seem to grasp at any straws to find a negative side about PS4, and when they do find something it's a cheerful payback time. The other option is to claim that gaming websites/magazines, that have a positive stance towards the PS4 and a negative one for XB1, like Edge, are biased.
I think people have a short and selective memory. The tables were turned in 2005/2006, when Sony screwed up, and people sided against them. I wonder did those people who claim there's bias now, do so back then when their preferred platform had the upper hand?
I don't think the intent of Steam was to ever 'give anything back' in return for taking away our consumer rights. It was just a nature of competition and ensuring their product/service would be popular enough to get used. Microsoft's reasoning for always online extended beyond just some evil intent to strip our rights for laughs. There was going to be benefits to it on the developer's side, being able to take full advantage of the massive server base they've built up for the XboxOne. It was also looking out for the publishers, without whom we'd not have the wide variety of great games available.
There's also no telling what things would have been like several years down the road. Microsoft were obviously willing to make changes in the name of ensuring their product was looked on as favourable, so we don't know what sort of changes they would have made later on if the market fell away from them.
Their vision was not the right one for 2013. That much was clear. But it might well be closer to reality by the time next-next comes out and games are even more expensive to produce and not being connected to the internet is unheard of and retail games become a niche product. I can certainly fault Microsoft for having the wrong vision, but I'm not going to call them 'evil'. That's way over-the-top. And its something that I think a lot of Sony fans are really holding onto as much as possible because it means they get to white-knight Sony as a company, which is laughable as they are a gigantic corporation like any other. But Sony are definitely smart enough to pick up on that and play into it for these sorts of people.
These 'some people' you're referring to are a much smaller minority, though. And it certainly doesn't make the MS-hatefest that goes around here justifiable.
Soul Destroyer
Banned
Damn son. Too true.
George Claw M.D.
Member
You got it. The anti-DRM campaign was consumer voice. The preorders (or lack of) were their actions. As the saying goes, "Actions speak louder than words." And consumer action is what MS responded to. Though, without consumer voice explaining their actions, MS wouldn't have known that their fucked up DRM policies were in huge part to blame.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
It helps when you've been steadfast in your message without hardly changing a thing.
Sony has their ducks in a row. This may be hard for some here to admit despite these little minor word plays. That quote from some MSFT rep a couple months ago about how they were going to "kill" Sony was a little more incendiary than this.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
I can't believe the levels of salt in this thread. I can't believe some are really trying to call Sony childish in defense of MICROSOFT! No.. Really.
MICCCRRROOOOSOOOFFTT! These guys are the kings of slander campaigns and dirty shots to competitors. When you spend billions of dollars for TV ads to blast your competitors because your stuff is doing bad, Who is really the childish one? Seriously? These guys have been doing it for ages, and their dirty backdoor troll feeding ways to hamstring business like Google and OEMs are just as childish. Some of you really need to do some homework before thinking about calling Sony childish. The fact that we are in 2013 and can still watch a commercial with MS doing what they do best blatantly blasting their better competition just means everyone should just hush up and accept it. It was a cute jab and hardly anything that was something we didn't know. It's 100% the truth and way much more conservative compared to trying to paint a global top selling iPad vs a cheap built Acer Windows 8 tablet as some uncool unfunctional device. Sales beg to differ.
MICCCRRROOOOSOOOFFTT! These guys are the kings of slander campaigns and dirty shots to competitors. When you spend billions of dollars for TV ads to blast your competitors because your stuff is doing bad, Who is really the childish one? Seriously? These guys have been doing it for ages, and their dirty backdoor troll feeding ways to hamstring business like Google and OEMs are just as childish. Some of you really need to do some homework before thinking about calling Sony childish. The fact that we are in 2013 and can still watch a commercial with MS doing what they do best blatantly blasting their better competition just means everyone should just hush up and accept it. It was a cute jab and hardly anything that was something we didn't know. It's 100% the truth and way much more conservative compared to trying to paint a global top selling iPad vs a cheap built Acer Windows 8 tablet as some uncool unfunctional device. Sales beg to differ.
FonkyByNature
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CadetMahoney
Member
I've even seen ppl saying Sony going paid online is Microsofts fault.
how is this thread still going?kidhero1000
Banned
MS making fake charts, presenting multiplats like Titanfall and Project Spark as "exclusive", and just pretty much every piece of bullshit "WE SWEAR THIS SHITTY PRODUCT IS QUALITY" PR fiction they've spewed is hateful, ill-intentioned, and pathetic.
Nothing wrong with a bit of trolling, it keeps things interesting between rivals (and even consumers). Hell, the Sega/Nintendo rivalry was great fodder for both companies to put out the best, most innovative products imaginable at the time. Meanwhile MS seems to believe that ripping off the PS4's basic "I can't believe anyone would seriously omit this basic fucking function" features and shoehorning a camera counts as innovation. There aren't enough expletives in all the world's languages to describe how much I despise MS. They haven't contributed a single great thing to society since Windows XP and it makes me sick to my stomach that the Xbone is going to outsell an actual console like the Wii U.
"Hey guys, I know a few months ago we proudly announced that we were going to fuck you in the ass and some of you didn't like that, but now we've decided to spit on our dicks first so hopefully that makes everything better". Fucking Microsoft. Who the actual fuck completely redesigns their console MONTHS before the release?
Nothing wrong with a bit of trolling, it keeps things interesting between rivals (and even consumers). Hell, the Sega/Nintendo rivalry was great fodder for both companies to put out the best, most innovative products imaginable at the time. Meanwhile MS seems to believe that ripping off the PS4's basic "I can't believe anyone would seriously omit this basic fucking function" features and shoehorning a camera counts as innovation. There aren't enough expletives in all the world's languages to describe how much I despise MS. They haven't contributed a single great thing to society since Windows XP and it makes me sick to my stomach that the Xbone is going to outsell an actual console like the Wii U.
"Hey guys, I know a few months ago we proudly announced that we were going to fuck you in the ass and some of you didn't like that, but now we've decided to spit on our dicks first so hopefully that makes everything better". Fucking Microsoft. Who the actual fuck completely redesigns their console MONTHS before the release?
TheContact
Member
Bleh from Feb 21
It's a dig.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
Is it really necessary to that kind of metaphor when discussing games consoles?
TheRealTalker
Banned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIQ3KfH8hCY
the interviewer probes him about launching in more european countries compared to MS and he just laughs it off
the interviewer probes him about launching in more european countries compared to MS and he just laughs it off
Arc Christelle
Member
Sony.
Jesus son, take it easy lol. Policies for console that hasn't even launched being attributed to rape now? 4th time I've read this...
And no games which I care about is a favourite.
FranXico
Member
I for one, have always blamed consumers who agreed to pay a subscription for the privilege of playing online.
What did you expect from greedy Sony when they saw greedy MS getting away with it?
kidhero1000
Banned
Apparently for debating purposes it is.
It is
Nightengale
Member
Yeah.
All MS did was prove the viability of a business model. A business model is only viable because consumers paid for it.
Still, I wouldn't blame anyone. Sony had the choice of not charging for online play,
Indirectly, at best.
Ultimately, Sony was the one who made the business decision to charge for online play..
Flatline
Banned
...just like they did with microtransactions, ridiculously expensive proprietary peripherals and tried to do with used games and DRM. It seems like Microsoft is very interested in "proving the viability" of shitty policies that screw consumers.
Are you seriously trying to put proprietary peripherals on MS? They have been around since forever. Im sure you played duck hunt and even games before that I am sure. Micro-transactions as well have been a part of gaming on other platforms for a very long time. MS is a company just like Sony or any other can't really fault them for seeing business models that make money and trying it on their platform.