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Sonyspot exposed!!
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G-d, I actually had Killzone preordered once upon a time. I almost fell for it. Then it's a good thing GameSpot's reviews aren't on Sony's Web sites. Only the news.mj1108 said:
But IGN must be biased in favor of SCEI too. Its news appears on the PlayStation Web site too. Example
People, do some research before you start accusing a major gaming site or magazine of being biased.
My most memorable pro Sony was during the last E3 broadcast where they concluded that the DS had the most interesting lineup on the show, but they were quick to add in that you shouldn't forget all the great titles coming for PS2.
While they aren't going all out and saying that you absolutely should buy the PS2 version of all games, they do definitely put more positive spins on Sony related stuff that what an unaffiliated site would do.
And the way they raved about the Killzone 2 CGI was stupid. They went on as if it was the game of the show.
While they aren't going all out and saying that you absolutely should buy the PS2 version of all games, they do definitely put more positive spins on Sony related stuff that what an unaffiliated site would do.
And the way they raved about the Killzone 2 CGI was stupid. They went on as if it was the game of the show.
fortified_concept
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The idiocy and paranoia of some xbox fanboys at OA has hit an all time high. Funny thing is that nowadays they're trying to play detectives and expose the big conspiracies behind Microsoft's possible "enemies".
I must be reading a different site.GhaleonEB said:
http://www.gamespot.com/live/stream...y+Month+-NEW-&path=letsgamespot_april2005.asxJeff Gerstmann said:
eternalsunshine
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There will be no personal insults in my thread.
eternalsunshine
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I told your mom the same thing last night, but she wasn't having it, man. SHE WASN'T HAVING IT.Zeo said:
westical said:
So any multiplatform site that doesn't score Xbox exclusives as high or higher than the exclusive titles for competing systems is automatically 'teh bias' now?
'Oh noes! The fanboys all love this new game for their favorite system in the entire universe! How could you not love it, too? YOU ARE TEH BIAS!!!!11! It's a conspiracy! WAAAAAHH!!' This 'we know the Xbox/360 is the most newsworthy thing/has the best exclusives out there and any media outlet that doesn't publish news and articles to that effect is just lying to hurt MS' crap is becoming ridiculous now. If unstinting praise and coverage of your favorite platform's what you want, then you should stick with reading TeamXbox, rather than going to a multiplatform site and running the risk of having your delicate sensibilities offended. Piepz said:
I believe one of their editors who have an account at GAF basically explained they felt the PSP was what their audience wanted so they ran with it. Kind of like how FOX news dish out patriotic stories to serve their viewer's wishes and keep ratings up. This was after the DS sales fiasco when some GAFers complained Gamespot was biased because they always ended every DS sales story with a PSP sales comparison while never doing it for their PSP stories, making it seem like they were counting down the days until the DS gets destroyed. The accusation of course was true, and the fiasco was, they got the numbers wrong, undercounting DS sales by a lot in one of their stories.
It seems like a real sell out to me, because Gamespot's news stories and reviews have generally been really well written w/out the sensationalism of IGN, which has a more tabloid format with lax review scales and inconsistent scaling of reviews accross channels. The Xbox channel being infamous for inflated scored.
I think the editorialization of website games journalism takes part of the blame for this, because it gives editors and writers much more leeway to highlight certain products.
Because Sony isn't sponsoring GameSpot. Sony pays GameSpot for permission to republish GameSpot news articles on its PlayStation Web site.westical said:
It has the same deal with IGN.
Why hasn't anyone complained about Ziff Davis, publisher of EGM and 1up, also publishing the Official U.S. PlayStation Magazine and using much of the same editorial staff on all three publications? That is, by far, the biggest conflict of interest in gaming journalism.
westical said:
How many other companies are underwriting and advertising on Gamespot and other CNET sites? (Oddly enough, Microsoft is specifically mentioned as one of companies advertising their products on CNET. You'd think they would've pulled their ads by now rather than supporting a network with 'teh bias' that's out to destroy the Xbox.) How many companies do you think are propping up TeamXbox besides Microsoft?
You can make a case for Gamespot not being biased because they're not solely reliant on revenue from a single underwriter or ad partner to survive - Sony's just one name on a long list. They can afford to 'tell it like it is' because even if that resulted in Sony ending their relationship, they've still got any number of alternate sources of revenue to fall back on. If TXB is being supported under the table by MS, on the other hand, it's very likely that this is their primary source of funding. It's hard to argue that you'll see any kind of objectivity from a site with an arrangement like that, not that there's much objectivity forthcoming from sites run by rabid advocates of a particular platform to start with.
So yeah, I guess it's not comparable. You've got much better odds of getting evenhanded Xbox-related news and reviews from Gamespot than you ever would from TXB, thanks to the funding arrangements of both sites.
sangreal said:
Thanks for clearing that up. Still doesn't change the fact that they're biased as all hell, though, but at least now it's clear that this is just thanks to the batshit insane Xbox fans they have writing for them rather than because they're dangling from MS' purse strings.
Tellaerin said:Thanks for clearing that up. Still doesn't change the fact that they're biased as all hell, though, but at least now it's clear that this is just thanks to the batshit insane Xbox fans they have writing for them rather than because they're dangling from MS' purse strings.
:lol
As for the original post,, I think companies have better things to do than engage in vast conspiracies to manipulate reviews. Editors will always have some bias (or extreme in the case of sites like TXB), but so does everyone else. Personally, I think GameSpot's reviews are the most reliable out of any.
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
Payola is no stranger to Sony really. I wouldn't be surprised if they were doing it in the games division aswell, Gamespot always seemed odd in terms of how they presented their news and reviewed games, which always seem to favor Sony products in one way or another. I don't read GS anymore because of this, but they were always like that. I pity for the souls that actually believe they're any fair and balanced.
I also pity for the people writing it off as some conspiracy theory, really the only thing they want is good coverage and good reviews for sales, they're not trying to take over the world or anything freaky, it's something that you gotta be extremely naive at this point in time to think it isn't done.
I also pity for the people writing it off as some conspiracy theory, really the only thing they want is good coverage and good reviews for sales, they're not trying to take over the world or anything freaky, it's something that you gotta be extremely naive at this point in time to think it isn't done.
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Azelover said:
As far as I know, unfortunately, this is widespread and not confined to Sony (I don't know if Sony do it, but hey, it wouldn't shock me). The murky depths of game PR, from what little of it I've seen and heard about, go way way down.
This isn't to say you can never trust a magazine or site, but just don't trust one particular source alone. TBH, I find GAF as useful for opinion as most sites, although be aware that games companies know that too, and often message-board infiltration is part of the plan.
Holy shit guys other bigger corporate gaming sites are getting into the act too!!
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/gamedaily/wrapup-20050728.htm
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/operationsports/20050728-ncaafootball06.htm
Come on guys, don't be stupid (oh wait...).
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/gamedaily/wrapup-20050728.htm
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/operationsports/20050728-ncaafootball06.htm
Come on guys, don't be stupid (oh wait...).
http://www.gametab.com/
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#1: Gamespot: "We are longtime partners with Sony"
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#1: Gamespot: "We are longtime partners with Sony"
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Guys, it was called Payola when it happened in the radio industry, pay for play. This is the way business is done in America, and anyone who thinks it is not is being a tad naive. Money makes the world go around, and thats just the way it is. Having Sony as a sponsor on their website probably makes them more leinent when it comes to trashing a horrible Sony PS game or giving it that extra .5 or 1.0 review points. Thats the real world, lets move on.
Besides, we are all pretty avid gamers here, do we really buy game based on internet reviews? NO, we make up our own minds well before reviews come out I think.
Besides, we are all pretty avid gamers here, do we really buy game based on internet reviews? NO, we make up our own minds well before reviews come out I think.
As BuddyC implies, it doesn't have to affect review scores. I worked for MSN Games for a couple of years, reviewing only PSX, PS2 and Gamecube games, and I had complete and utter freedom to write what I wanted and score the games however I saw fit. Xbox news articles had a positive slant, but overall the whole thing was incredibly unbiased in spite of being 100% MS funded.
Callous I have a feeling that if you consistently trashed a major sponsors games, eventually youd get called into an office and told to relax a bit. Plus, the accounting department does not have to talk to the review department. If you notice, a lot of the prolific reviewers in places liek EGM and such have been there for a while. This is more than likely because they know how the system works.
sonycowboy
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SKOPE said:
This needs to be restated. Sony isn't a "sponsor" or content provider for Gamestop.
They pay Gamestop to republish news articles on the Playstation web site
Thanks for bringing more o p a Redcloak crap over here. It's pathetic how that bunch of trolls actually try to get people mobilized for shit like this. Of course, almost as pathetic are the folks that know better or don't question and jump on the bandwagon anyway.
westical said:
i hate the xbox? XD thats funny.then tell me why i have circa 84 original xbox games and two xbox.one for games other as a divx player
i hate ms bullshit,the machine and games are excellent.also i hate fanboys of every system,and in this case the gamespot hataz
in this case the news of gamespot owned by sony his hilarious.yeah,about teamxbox,then tell me why ms payed his e3 booth
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