SenjutsuSage
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$449.99 the absolute lowest, and $569.99 the absolute highest.
Spencer: Scorpio targets requirements of high-end costumers - means a higher price
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There is really no reason to believe that a scorpio patch will be more difficult then a PS4 patch. Hell, if a game is coded well, it will get a performance boost with no change at all from the developers, which is not true of the PS4 pro.
Microsoft libraries are quite robust. See: Xbox 360 BC.
3rdamention
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Would we consider the Xbox One Original Launch at $499 a "premium price" for a "premium product."
I think that is the price you should start at when determining the launch price of Scorpio.
I think that is the price you should start at when determining the launch price of Scorpio.
BlitzerRadic
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People didn't want a $500 console with lower performance than a $400 console.
Considering Microsoft reps have repeatedly stated that it is up to the developers on how they want to use the power, I don't see any mandated requirements happening.
For real though, do you expect MS to tell Rockstar that they must hit 1080p60fps for Red Dead 2? What will MS do if Rockstar says no, we're doing 30fps. Will they start telling all independent devs the same thing?
Phil isn't saying it's a "premium price for a premium product" specifically though. They have been very careful with their wording.
He's saying it's a premium price compared to the S. If history is anything to go by, the S will be $199 next year, $399 is absolutely "premium" and "high end" when compared to the same thing essentially at $199.
DonkeyKong
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Obvious thing to say but If it does come in at $450+ it really has to live up to the hype and blow the PSPro away
JayhawkerStL
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I think you will be very, very wrong. I think Crackdown 3 will end up being a Scorpio system seller. I won't be surprised if there is not an XB1 version of the game.
In the end, I still suspect this is a new gen, but just marketed more like a new iPad. Some games will only be good on the new console, but everything you have will play just find on it, and all social features will roll right over, from friends lists and clubs, to online games against XB1, and even 360, users.
When the PS5 comes out, Microsoft will be able to easily run out a new Scorpio to match, or slightly exceed the PS5 specs. Again, everything you own will play just fine on it, and it will be more like the PS4 Pro to the PS4 than a new gen again.
But this gen placed MS way behind. They want a new one, but they want to keep their third party developers happy. They have to hope that this is what Sega missed when they bumped up to the Dreamcast before their partners were ready.
I think this is how it will play out. I have no idea if it will actually sell more console for Microsoft, or even if it will increase their MAU.
VincentMatts
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I rather they just made it one uniform color like black or white. If it has 600 written all over it, i wont buy it.
Yeah logically, most people are always going to pay less for more power. Kinect wasnt the killer app MS wanted it to be. Price has an effect but when the cheaper console is more powerful, its just common sense at that point.
FinaruDensetsu
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MS should launch at a high price and profit from the early adopters who will pay any price. They've shown they're willing to drop price drastically very quickly and get the rest of the people on board not long after launch.
Banjo-Kazooie
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We do remember it. It's not comparable.
Xbox One was lambasted at $500 because it launched with a peripheral that hardly any main gamer wanted and was WEAKER than the PS4 which was $100 cheaper.
It's not the people didn't want a $500 console...they just didn't want a weaker console with a mandatory device they would not use.
If Scorpio is $450-500 then you are paying an extra $100 for a seemingly more powerful console than PS4Pro which any hardcore console gamer might be able to justify
StereoVsn
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The key word is custom APUs which according to AMD are not happening till 2018. The non-custom solutions being released will not fit console power envelope and are unlikely to be utilized by MS.
So this means that either Scorpio is delayed or it's not Zen. Considering that delaying will give more time for the PS4 Pro on the market plus will be closer to eventual PS5 time line, it's more likely that Scorpio will not have a Zen CPU.
VincentMatts
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Youre crazy if you think theyll come out with games right from the start that arent also available on xbox one. That will never happen. At least not for the first 2 years. This is better than a new generation for them. A new generation is higher expectations. This on the other hand, they can just deliver the same games only better and that will be enough. They can stay on this same message that xbox one has been on and it will be fine for most people.
Guardian Monkey
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399 without a game probably makes sense a year from now. As the tech will be older and they probably want to regain some market share.
Risky but could work out for them since I know 3+ people in this very thread that will easily pay $650+ for this thing at launch, regardless of CPU specs.
Kilau
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That's fine, until we know more about the specs it's just hard for me to believe they would go higher.
That may change, but based on what's been revealed, nothing is earth shatteringly advanced or expensive sounding.
Guardian Monkey
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I thought the whole point of this was to run Xbox one games as well. There aren't going to be any exclusive games. At least not for a while, of course they also said this is gonna run games native 4K. Unless everyone is cool with 20 to 30 FPS that's not gonna happen.
Banjo-Kazooie
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Ya I agree. I'm personally thinking $400 or $450. All I'm saying is anyone saying people don't want $500 and use XB1 as an example are missing the point. The console failed because it was weaker than it's competition and had a worthless peripheral at $500, not because of the price itself.
Banjo-Kazooie
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It's out a year from now.
Yea $399 with lowest HDD and no 4K UHD is if they are already eating costs on top, so they are getting desperate.
My point overall is there's no way they won't have a $399 SKU.
VincentMatts
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The skus will be like the xbox one S ones. There will be higher end ones like the Gears console and there will be cheaper ones. Price will depend on what HDD they use.
Seriously. There is nothing lol-worthy about $400 price in late 2017.
Since Scorpio will be a high-end device, it will likely look like one too. I guess this means it will have more in common with Microsoft's premium hardware products i.e. no cheap plastic shell like the PS4 Pro. I wouldn't be surprised if Scorpio has an all-metal body and comes with an Elite controller as a pack-in.
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
Had to.
SolarMystic
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So their main player base of obnoxious teens and pre teens yelling sexual and racial abuse will be effectively eliminated in one fell swoop.
What?
Hmm can still buy them new here in The Netherlands. 350 euro.
Journey
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I think we're all hoping for $399, but to say DOA is a bit of a stretch without knowing what they're putting inside. What if it has 12GB of GDDR5X and an upraded CPU in addition to the GPU upgrade? You get what you pay for and I would definitely be ok with paying for what I get.
Banjo-Kazooie
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Besides the fact that the price of the components will be cheaper a year from now, I also think people are getting too hung up on the word "premium". If at this point next year the base model Xbox One S has a permanent price of $250 (instead of 300 now), and the base model Scorpio comes in at $400, then that makes Scorpio a pretty premium product for their Xbox line. This idea that whenever Spencer says it will be a premium product means that it will be $500-600 is not really a good way of thinking taking it what I just said
I think MS strategy is to always have a device priced for the mass market on shelves at all times.
The software sales from the lower end model will provide the buffer for the premium device to exist.
When consumer demands dictate that the lower end model is obsolete, the premium model will become the mass market model (its prices will have naturally decreased and it will already have a decent installed base), and we'll be introduced to a new premium model.
I also think the word "premium" is being thrown around, to set high expectations, so that they can surprise the market with a decently affordable price. PS4 Slims and Xbox 1 S will be dirt cheap this time next year, so a 'premium price' won't neccisarily have to break the bank.
The software sales from the lower end model will provide the buffer for the premium device to exist.
When consumer demands dictate that the lower end model is obsolete, the premium model will become the mass market model (its prices will have naturally decreased and it will already have a decent installed base), and we'll be introduced to a new premium model.
I also think the word "premium" is being thrown around, to set high expectations, so that they can surprise the market with a decently affordable price. PS4 Slims and Xbox 1 S will be dirt cheap this time next year, so a 'premium price' won't neccisarily have to break the bank.
VincentMatts
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I think it will really depend on how Scorpio games are handled. If patches are needed a la ps pro, then i think higher price is bad news since youll take it home and barely see any difference. They need to make it so as soon as i put any game in, it will use the extra power right away. People need to feel the difference asap. Not wait for a patch.
Waiting for these patches is fucking stupid.
Herp Derpington
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No worries I didn't mean to sound so harsh, just figure if someone wants something easy to hook up and use they're not going to get a pc regardless of how much Scorpio ends up costing. Once the Xbox line up seamlessly works with their PC counterparts with no issues with MP, etc. I think it will be more relevant. I don't believe that's the case yet and for many the ease of use of a console will always be appealing no matter how much of a value a PC might be.
The Albatross
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Definitely premium price for a premium product that totally backfired on Microsoft. It's not like Microsoft is incapable or not allowed to learn from their mistakes. If the console is $400, I'll buy it. If it's $450 I'll consider it. If it's $500+, I'll wait. I think a lot of people might be in a similar boat.
FinaruDensetsu
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I wish Spencer's response to Pachter was "So... You're saying we should definitely price it above $400 for great success." Guy hasn't been following GAF enough.
HamsterPackage
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I paid that in Canada dollars for my Pro...
Xbox One wasn't a premium product.
It was outclassed internally by a cheaper option.
I think there are obviously people who are cost concious, but that's not who the Scorpio will be for... at launch. I'm sure they expect it to be a low volume item... until the Xbox One S can no longer keep up with the games being made.
Shil Pencer
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when Scorpio launches
Xbox One S $249.99 with game
Scorpio $499.99
Xbox One S $249.99 with game
Scorpio $499.99
ThatOneGrunt
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You know what would be kind of fun and actually a smart move is to seed this expectation that it's going to be unconventionally expensive. Let it marinate throughout the gaming community and then finally announce the price below everyone's expectations.
Not suggesting that's what's actually happening here, but it would inject a sense of value into consumers who buy the console, even if it happened artificially.
Not suggesting that's what's actually happening here, but it would inject a sense of value into consumers who buy the console, even if it happened artificially.
DasPenguin
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If you expect a 1st party game to be a system seller and especially Crackdown, you will be very surprised when Scorpio comes out. Talk about sending a game to die. So I'm gonna go on a limb and say that no, Crackdown won't be a Scorpio exclusive.
FinaruDensetsu
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Koreans have to pay like 50,000 won for one.
The price has more to do with their strategy for the product than the cost to build it. Whatever they build will be built to fit the price point set from the very beginning of the product planning. Scorpio will be $500 if their goal is a premium product that can make a profit off of the desires of the hardcore, much like the elite line of Xbox. It will be $400 if their goal is to aggressively regain market share. My guess is they are much more interested in regaining the market share to boost XBLG sales and making Xbox the place where everyone buys the third party games. For that, I'm willing to bet they are fine with losing ~$50-80 per console. People opting for the premium version of a console are much more likely to buy a lot of games and an XBLG sub, making a loss on hardware sales more acceptable.
I see it being a $100 increase over the current XBOS strategy with $400, $450, and $500 SKUs. They will do what they can to have a base model "starting at $399". Meanwhile if the XBOS isn't $250 standard by then, it will be through holiday sales, as it already is. $150 more starting price is a pretty decent "premium".
I see it being a $100 increase over the current XBOS strategy with $400, $450, and $500 SKUs. They will do what they can to have a base model "starting at $399". Meanwhile if the XBOS isn't $250 standard by then, it will be through holiday sales, as it already is. $150 more starting price is a pretty decent "premium".
This guy gets it.
No..
It will be called Xbox One Panos, the Spencer edition!
Who knows..Xbox One Scorpio, Xbox 4k (then the numbering scheme would finally be caught up to Sony), Xbox One 4k =P
Scoprio is honestly looking to be the second only console I will not have on day one since the PS1
The PS3 was the only other console I waited out......and the Scorpio is starting to feel that way. The xbox one is going to massively hold it back in the initial run even if they do have some killer apps for it. I think I'll just wait till PS5 for another console....which Microsoft will have a refresh most likely by then as well.
The PS3 was the only other console I waited out......and the Scorpio is starting to feel that way. The xbox one is going to massively hold it back in the initial run even if they do have some killer apps for it. I think I'll just wait till PS5 for another console....which Microsoft will have a refresh most likely by then as well.