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[styl3s]

Lots of folks in for sticker shock. He keeps warning you and you keep sticking your heads in the sand.

It's really not that difficult to start putting aside money once a product you want is announced and is a year out i don't understand why more people don't do that. I know people who started setting aside a few bucks here and there after buying a PS4/XB1 knowing the 10 year console cycle was long gone.

That being said $599 will kill the console people didn't want to buy $499 for the xbox one what makes people think they want to pay $600?

 

[keezy]

How much will the PS5 be after the Scorpio is released?

*ponderingemoji*

 

[timberger]

You just read Scorpio and start to see red, huh?

Not at all. Scorpio merely being mentioned isn't the issue, as you well know as I've seen others call you out on it in the past.

 

[StereoVsn]

I will be really surprised if it comes in higher than $399.

Unless they do put a much better CPU in it, there shouldn't be much reason for the costs to be significantly higher.

Thought there won't be custom Zen till 2018, so it would be unlikely to appear in Scorpio.

 

[eXMomoj]

It'll be $499 USD at least. Which will be interesting because I could see Sony dropping the price of the PS4 Pro to $349 right around the time Scorpio will launch making the gap between the two systems $150...

 

[Soi-Fong]

I will be really surprised if it comes in higher than $399.

Unless they do put a much better CPU in it, there shouldn't be much reason for the costs to be significantly higher.

lol At people thinking this will cost the same price as the PS4 Pro.

 

[Sword Of Doom]

I could pay $500, but im not sure if the general audience could or want to.

This console is like their "elite" controller. There will be cheaper options for the general consumer.

The thing is why not buy a gaming PC at that point where you can play All Xbox One first party games and you have the vast library steam offers?

 

[LJ11]

There's no way they're going above $500, they've learned nothing if they do. I expect it to come in around $400, $450 tops.

 

[CrunchyFrog]

Guys, Spencer is pretty much saying this thing is gonna be more than $399. It'll be $499, maybe $449 if they're willing to take a serious hit for market penetration., though neither is a particularly friendly price range.

 

[Cartho]

Scorpio won't, apparently, have exclusive games. So Xbox One games are going to need to be developed with the OG Xbox One in mind. There's a limit to how wildly different and more powerful they can make it. By all accounts PS4 Pro is quite easy to make patches for (even if some devs have fucked it up *cough* Bethesda *cough*). That will not be the case with Scorpio if it's using an entirely different, Zen based, SoC.

Still feels like weird to me. What's the point in making it so much more powerful than the Xbox One but saying it won't have exclusives - alot of that power might end up getting wasted on things which aren't MS exclusives.

 

[styl3s]

lol At people thinking this will cost the same price as the PS4 Pro.

I'm laughing at people who think a $599 price tag won't kill the product on arrival.

Do people not remember the $499 XB1 tag? Remember how quick they ripped out the kinect to get that price down? People don't want $500 consoles let alone $600. And what if PS5 gets announced at E3 for for early 2018 months after the Scorpio for $100-150 less?

 

[etta]

Not at all. Scorpio merely being mentioned isn't the issue, as you well know as I've seen others call you out on it in the past.

Yea, you and StrongBlack and cakely and Fisty. No one neutral nor any mod told me that it was off topic, because my arguments weren't wrong, you just didn't like them.
Why don't you put me on ignore if you keep disliking my posts?

 

[2+2=5]

Apparently even pacther can be right once in a while.

 

[Sr. Wiggles]

I paid $150 for a premium controller, I have no issues spending $500-ish for a top of the line console as well... Bring it on!

 

[LelouchZero]

I'm a PC Gamer with a Solid PC so the Scorpio isn't really doing much for me, but If Red Dead Redemption 2 runs at 60 fps I'm all over it for that game alone.

 

[m_dorian]

#NotForPlebs /jk

If Scorpio is a quality product it will naturally sell and make their owners happy.

 

[Sword Of Doom]

I was just thinking, we've had like 4-5 threads dedicated to the same Scorpio pricing based on Phil saying it's a premium device, all of which got many pages.

Marketing seems to work at generating the talk about Scorpio being premium, seemigly.

They should prepare people for a higher price if that's going to be the case because a lot of people are convinced this thing will be less than $400.

 

[PeterLegend]

I'm hoping Scorpio has a Jaguar cpu, the meltdowns would be epic lol

 

[Leyasu]

Yea, you and StrongBlack and cakely and Fisty. No one neutral nor any mod told me that it was off topic, because my arguments weren't wrong, you just didn't like them.
Why don't you put me on ignore if you keep disliking my posts?

Im shocked that the person you are replying is still managing to fly under the radar...

 

[AmyS]

Zen it's not gonna happen IMO, unless Scorpio in not an APU...

Zen based APUs will already be launching in mid 2017. The first will be Raven Ridge w/ 4 core / 8 threads and lower-end Vega GPU. with PS4+ graphics.

A long while ago, AMD showed plans for a monster Zen 16 core / 32 thread APU with high-end Greenland (Vega 10) GPU with HBM2. If it becomes a product, it could arrive in 2018.

Certainly AMD . Microsoft could have a reasonably lower clocked 8 core/ 16 thread Zen APU with a Vega 11 GPU (some CUs disabled, 800 MHz, 6 TF, high yields) with conventional GDDR5 memory for Scorpio in late 2017 without breaking a sweat.

 

[Norse]

But what will they call it? Microsoft Scorpio? Xbox Scorpio? Xbox Next? Xbox Pro? Xbone P?

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

They mandated 720p on the 360 check how long that lasted. Publishers have more power in the relationship currently especially with MS.

That's a false equivalence though. The 360 came along at the birth of HD, and clearly wasn't powerful enough to comfortably hit those targets.

Scorpio hardware is well above 'Full HD' capability and most games will hit 4K/30fps comfortably. In most cases it would be trivial or even automatic that the game could run at double the framerate at 25% resolution. If it also has a better CPU, then even more so.

The narrative ever since these premium consoles were announced is that people would largely prefer 1080p/60fps instead of 4K. The PS4 Pro is a bit on the weak side to comfortably offer both but the Scorpio hardware is in a much stronger position to do so. I think it would be foolish to not give the vocal core gamers what they want, particularly when they are the primary audience for this type of machine.

'Every game playable at 60fps on Scorpio' is a great marketing bullet point too.

 

[dragonyeuw]

It'll be $399.99 and not a penny more. They'd be foolish to price this over $400 in late 2017, "premium" or not.

It sounds like he's 'setting' people up for a higher price than that. $399 was the launch price for Ps4( which people applauded). So there'd be no need to really take his position if the console was going to be priced at a level that gamers have already proven to be accepting of. $499 is more what I'd expect, and it will probably go over better than a $499 xb1 at launch because it won't have an undesirable item( kinect) shoehorned into it raising the cost. They're catering to an audience prepared to pay more for a superior performing console relative to eveyone else, including their own slim console that exists for people who don't want to pay more.

 

[Theorry]

But what will they call it? Microsoft Scorpio? Xbox Scorpio? Xbox Next? Xbox Pro? Xbone P?

Xbox One Ultimate. They seem to like that name with Ultimate editions.
Hmm wait. Maybe that will only confuse things. People maybe thinking Ultimate editions only run on Xbox One Ultimate.

 

[Sword Of Doom]

But what will they call it? Microsoft Scorpio? Xbox Scorpio? Xbox Next? Xbox Pro? Xbone P?

"Elite" makes the most sense to me

Xbox One Ultimate. They seem to like that name with Ultimate editions.
Hmm wait. Maybe that will only confuse things. People maybe thinking Ultimate editions only run on Xbox One Ultimate.

They can then charge extra for early access

 

[tiredheadcrab]

It will be $399. Sony said the same thing.

 

[see5harp]

From what we know so far:

Basically any game with a dynamic Resolution buffer will see immediate results without any additional work from devs.(Example: Halo 5 dynamic res should stay at the highest res of 1080p instead of dynamically changed depending on work load of the machine.)

Other games with locked-in res/framerates may require patches, like the ps4 pro.

Anyone correct me if wrong.

While this may be true, if they don't go farther than that with first party games, I'm going to be a little disappointed.

 

[Herp Derpington]

This console is like their "elite" controller. There will be cheaper options for the general consumer.

The thing is why not buy a gaming PC at that point where you can play All Xbox One first party games and you have the vast library steam offers?

Because most don't want a pc? I mean why is this question always asked? You already know the answer.

 

[Lady Gaia]

Given the broader performance gap between Xbox One S and Scorpio when compared to PS4 and PS4 Pro, I've been expecting a more signficisnt price difference as well. Microsoft seems really determined to have the performance crown by a signficant margin, and that comes at a cost.

I've been expecting $499, though with a launch next Fall I can see $449 with continuing aggressive pricing and competition. I just don't see that as a given. I also wouldn't expect a 500GB model to make an appearance. It will be spec'ed as a premium product through and through to avoid confusing overlap with the Xbox One S line.

 

[Theorry]

"Elite" makes the most sense to me

But there is already a Elite in the market. Sure its not selling alot anymore. But i am sure you can still buy them

 

[Kaako]

I was just thinking, we've had like 4-5 threads dedicated to the same Scorpio pricing based on Phil saying it's a premium device, all of which got many pages.

Marketing seems to work at generating the talk about Scorpio being premium, seemigly.

All that's left now is dropping that premium price of $599 and we've come full circle. Premium console with a premium price for the premium players.
You ready for that 4K native res etta? Do you even 4K OLED bruh?

 

[Aroll]

If it hits 8TFlops, it's going to be Minimum, $500. I mean, 8tflops is massive. That's practically double the PS4 Pro. You can't expect that sort of power at similar pricing models. Premium is fine - there is a market for it.

 

[Raptor]

The price in Mexico will be insane, thinking about "15,000

Lols.

 

[Sword Of Doom]

Because most don't want a pc? I mean why is this question always asked? You already know the answer.

I think that question is a bit more relevant in this case VS the PS4 Pro because you can play all upcoming XB1 exclusives on PC. I'm not trying to offend anyone

But there is already a Elite in the market. Sure its not selling alot anymore. But i am sure you can still buy them

That's true. I forgot about the Elite console

 

[Theorry]

If it hits 8TFlops, it's going to be Minimum, $500. I mean, 8tflops is massive. That's practically double the PS4 Pro. You can't expect that sort of power at similar pricing models. Premium is fine - there is a market for it.

But its 6TFlops?

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

Just so I can do an I told you so in a year's time:

It's gonna be 399 at launch for the base model.

I've been saying that pretty much since the E3 announcement.

A 6TF AMD GPU won't be anything to write home about this time in 2017.

 

[blakep267]

I'm laughing at people who think a $599 price tag won't kill the product on arrival.

Do people not remember the $499 XB1 tag? Remember how quick they ripped out the kinect to get that price down? People don't want $500 consoles let alone $600. And what if PS5 gets announced at E3 for for early 2018 months after the Scorpio for $100-150 less?

The OG Xbox one still sold millions of units before that happened. This is annoy different as they already have a lower priced option for consumers.

 

[BleedOrange]

So their main player base of obnoxious teens and pre teens yelling sexual and racial abuse will be effectively eliminated in one fell swoop.

You do realize all the dudebro's switched to PS4 this gen right?

 

[see5harp]

I'm still sorta shocked that they announced this hardware so damn early. While I really was hyped at the moment, I feel like the waiting is killing some of my early excitement. Man this is a long gap. To some degree it makes me not even want to buy games. It's almost like now with 4K and blu-rays. Why would I buy a game now when I'm unsure whether it'll be patched down the road and especially when I know the game will run at nearly double the resolution the PS4 while people are actually playing the game?

 

[FutbolBat]

Scorpio won't, apparently, have exclusive games. So Xbox One games are going to need to be developed with the OG Xbox One in mind. There's a limit to how wildly different and more powerful they can make it. By all accounts PS4 Pro is quite easy to make patches for (even if some devs have fucked it up *cough* Bethesda *cough*). That will not be the case with Scorpio if it's using an entirely different, Zen based, SoC.

Still feels like weird to me. What's the point in making it so much more powerful than the Xbox One but saying it won't have exclusives - alot of that power might end up getting wasted on things which aren't MS exclusives.

It will be very very easy.

 

[JayhawkerStL]

This console is like their "elite" controller. There will be cheaper options for the general consumer.

The thing is why not buy a gaming PC at that point where you can play All Xbox One first party games and you have the vast library steam offers?

I hate PCs. I've been happier with my PC experience ever since I stopped considering it a gaming platform.

And yes, Ive the thousands of posts that claim it is all better now. But every time I consider buying a PC again, I read forums to get a feel for what I need, and I see nothing but the same issues popping up. God help me if I make a purchase and have issues. I can then be told by people all over the world how dumb I was for buying X when Y is so much better, but maybe I should've waited for Z.

Don't get me wrong. I appreciate PC gaming. so many of the features I love on gaming consoles began life on the PC. A strong PC gaming community is pretty important. But I tire of this constant suggestion that console gamers seem to be unaware of what PC gaming really is.

 

[Chris1]

It HAS to be 399, and I think it will be now. Everytime they talk about "premium price" he's always comparing it to the S (which I think will be $199 next year, so $399 is premium by a long shot, but even at $249 it's premium) and has been on record saying it won't be priced out of what people expect from consoles. There's Albert saying people will be surprised at the price, too.

$499+ and the console is dead the minute they announce pricing.

 

[golem]

I think alot of the pricing will be based on how the Pro does. If the Pro sells like hotcakes and proves that a significant portion of the gaming population want a product at that price point it will be priced similar. If it turns out only a smaller percentage of monthly buyers actually want the Pro over the Slim (Say 20%) I could see the Scorpio hitting somewhere up to $500.

 

[Pif]

I'd be ok with a higher price as long as the hardware and games back it up.

This is what I can't see MS pulling out.

 

[VincentMatts]

449 is my guess.

I can't see it at 500. Sony learned that is a sticker shocking price.

Its only a bad price when theres no other option. In this case, its not a new console generation its just an extension. The xbox one S will be priced more accordingly for those who want to pay less.

Sony didnt have that luxury with ps3.

This console is like their "elite" controller. There will be cheaper options for the general consumer.

The thing is why not buy a gaming PC at that point where you can play All Xbox One first party games and you have the vast library steam offers?

Why not? Cause i enjoy having all my games under one account, using achievements, one friend list, one big community. PC separates all of that depending on where you buy what game. Not interested in having 3 different friend-lists, different achievements etc.

How this still comes up as a question baffles me.

 

[Wereroku]

That's a false equivalence though. The 360 came along at the birth of HD, and clearly wasn't powerful enough to comfortably hit those targets.

Scorpio hardware is well above 'Full HD' capability and most games will hit 4K/30fps comfortably. In most cases it would be trivial or even automatic that the game could run at double the framerate at 25% resolution. If it also has a better CPU, then even more so.

The narrative ever since these premium consoles were announced is that people would largely prefer 1080p/60fps instead of 4K. The PS4 Pro is a bit on the weak side to comfortably offer both but the Scorpio hardware is in a much stronger position to do so. I think it would be foolish to not give the vocal core gamers what they want, particularly when they are the primary audience for this type of machine.

'Every game playable at 60fps on Scorpio' is a great marketing bullet point too.

No I was just pointing out ms tried to mandate before but it was quickly dropped. The publishers have all the power in the relationship they can do as they please for the most part.

 

[etta]

It HAS to be 399, and I think it will be now. Everytime they talk about "premium price" he's always comparing it to the S and has been on record saying it won't be priced out of what people expect from consoles. There's Albert saying people will be surprised at the price, too.

$499+ and the console is dead the minute they announce pricing.

Yea, at the absolute worst if the CPU is too expensive, I see them doing a 500GB with no 4K UHD for $399, $450 for 500GB/4K UHD, and $499 for 1TB/4K UHD.
But that's the absolute worst case scenario. I expect $399 1TB/4K UHD, $449-499 2TB/4K UHD/and a game included.

 

[JayhawkerStL]

But there is already a Elite in the market. Sure its not selling alot anymore. But i am sure you can still buy them

You can't buy them new. I bought a used one from Amazon to replace my Day One. They can be had, but none of the retailers have them anymore. The ones that have new ones were charging a premium, too.

For me, it was worth checking out the SSD hybrid drive. I already had an Elite controller, so I sold the controller it came with for $80 to get the price down even more. I paid $300 for it. It was like new, as the box was damaged, but the console and everything worse were brand new and undamaged.

 

[Wedzi]

You do realize all the dudebro's switched to PS4 this gen right?

Pretty sure they just follow the CoD train to whatever station it pulls into

 

[Chris1]

Yea, at the absolute worst if the CPU is too expensive, I see them doing a 500GB with no 4K UHD for $399, $450 for 500GB/4K UHD, and $499 for 1TB/4K UHD.
But that's the absolute worst case scenario. I expect $399 1TB/4K UHD, $449-499 2TB/4K UHD/and a game included.

There is absolutely no way they drop the UHD now that Sony doesn't have one. They would rather eat the cost and include it than to remove.

I think 500GB at $399 with no games (or an old 1st part game like Gears 4). By then the S will probably be $199 with a game or two. $200 is big enough price gap to call it "premium" and big enough to not kill the S sales between E3 (or whenever they announce price) and release.

Edit: I see them doing similar to the S aswell, 2TB first with huge profit margins, etc, with the 500GB about a month later.