RichiRamjag
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But the Xbox One S is for the general audience really. Its not that the Scorpio is gonna be the only Xbox console in the market.
There is a huge middle ground there that isn't filled imo.
Spencer: Scorpio targets requirements of high-end costumers - means a higher price
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There is a huge middle ground there that isn't filled imo.
MisterXDTV
Member
That's what PS4 Pro is for.... LOL
Kacho
Member
Ayyyyyy
Yeah, the possibility of a Zen CPU should make the biggest difference, both in terms of Scorpio's overall performance, and the justification in going from $399 without Zen (using Jaguar again) to $499 with Zen.
Sorry, that's poorly worded, but I feel I'm not wrong about this.
MisterXDTV
Member
Zen it's not gonna happen IMO, unless Scorpio in not an APU...
DealWithIt
Member
Can someone help me understand what games are supposed to drive Scorpio sales? Do we have any sense of what games they are going to upscale?
I mean, you say that, but if the Scorpio is positioned as the "not standard equipment", then Microsoft may have more room to run. The PS3 and original Xbox One were the consoles, period. There wasn't really a standard and niche option; there were just different trim levels of the same device. If Scorpio is the 4K transition device while everyone else is still directed to the Xbox One S, why not ask for a higher price of entry?
Th3BranMan92
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All of the games. Scorpio will become multiplat king.
MisterXDTV
Member
Maybe because your competitor is killing you and offers a Premium console for 399$ a year earlier?
Considering the console is still a year away and E3 is months away, I don't think anybody can help you with that one!
Thats what i asked earlier in the thread yeah. I would happy to pay abit less for a non disc drive version. But i dont know how much a disc drive price wise is? Also like i said. Would some retailers dont sell that version? I mean they probably dont make any money on selling the console as retailer and the person buying is not gonna buy any disc games at their shop.
BouncyFrag
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I'm good with $450 and a robust list of released games optimized for the Scorpio. The effort MS has put into backwards compatibility makes me think they would put the same effort into upgrading older X1 games.
Banjo-Kazooie
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It doesn't really matter though. Sony is making a profit in each Pro sold so why do they care REALLY if you buy the Pro or their Slim model?
It's the same with MS. Either buy their fairly priced Slim or buy their higher end model. They get the money either way.
But there is more that goes into it then just the price of the parts used. Why go to the effort of creating a new console if they do not give a fuck if it sells or not? It's a waste of money and resources.
A SKU without a disc drive really doesn't make sense to me. In addition to the issues you mentioned above, MS would have to manufacture an additional SKU on top of the standard version. Also I don't think removing the disc tray will really help lowering the price effectively. I don't think they cost a huge amount.
"High end customers", yet they sure backtracked on that "True 4k console!" bullshit pretty quick. Gonna be hilarious to watch the damage control on Gaf and elsewhere as soon as the first non-native 4k game and/or 30fps is revealed on this thing.
But as usual, Spencer saying a whole lotta nuthin' but it's gonna cost a lot of scratch.
Yes they are.
But as usual, Spencer saying a whole lotta nuthin' but it's gonna cost a lot of scratch.
Yes they are.
Iced Arcade
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I want the Scorpio but reality is the price is Canada is going to be laughable.
digitalrelic
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I'd pay $499 for it, but it'd probably not do very well for sales at that price point.
Dee Dah Dave
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I really wish MS would mandate a 1080p/60fps mode for every single game, along with the '4K' option.
That could go a long way to winning core gamers over IMO.
That could go a long way to winning core gamers over IMO.
Samurai G0SU
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From what we know so far:
Basically any game with a dynamic Resolution buffer will see immediate results without any additional work from devs.(Example: Halo 5 dynamic res should stay at the highest res of 1080p instead of dynamically changed depending on work load of the machine.)
Other games with locked-in res/framerates may require patches, like the ps4 pro.
Anyone correct me if wrong.
schwabdizzle
Banned
I can see this possibly hurting MS.
TLZ
Banned
This isn't a new next-gen console. This is made for specific customers who are ready to pay more for a high end Xbox One. That's all.
SenjutsuSage
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As long as it isn't too high, I'll buy it.
Edit: Actually, buying it anyway.
Edit: Actually, buying it anyway.
Could also be a way to lose developer support.
It seems to be selling well with the indication from UK sales. It outsold the Xbox by itself even with the large sales they have in place at the minute.
Dee Dah Dave
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I don't really see why. The hardware should be plenty powerful enough to hit those targets, so shouldn't cause devs much concern.
Plus we continue to see more and more the desire for 60fps games on the forums. It's clearly something people want.
And that way it makes the Scorpio clearly a worthwhile purchase whether you have a 4K TV or not.
It'll be $449-$499. Which IMO is reasonable for what's being offered. I bought a normal Xbox one at $499 and I don't regret it. Also there's likely going to be a bundle game involved.
Also by that time the Xbox one S should be hitting $199. So there'll be choice. Pay $200 or $500
Also by that time the Xbox one S should be hitting $199. So there'll be choice. Pay $200 or $500
Why?
Microsoft want people buying Xbox's, subscribing to Xbox Live and buying first party software be it on Xbox or Windows 10.
The Scorpio is just another avenue to do that.
Being a "Premium" version of a product comes with certain assumptions and expectations beyond just price. Microsoft won't be putting all their eggs in the Scorpio basket to carry the company, just like they don't need people to buy the highest range Surface or whatever.
I can see Scorpio launching at $449+ and doing just "OK" at that price, but if they knock the Xbox One S down to $199 as a result then they're going to be selling systems and doing well as a business at 2 ends of the market.
They mandated 720p on the 360 check how long that lasted. Publishers have more power in the relationship currently especially with MS.
I don't think the S is making a great deal at it's current price point so I am not sure how much they would lose dropping it to 199.
Scorpio's eventual name will be "Xbox Beerstein w/ (G,R,Y)"
Guess that means you can dial back on the constant Scorpio reassurance posting in PS Pro threads then, huh?
SensibleSucker
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Completely off-topic, but I've always wondered how long before release would a console's physical appearance be locked down.
There's so much talk about the insides of this machine and, bar refinements, MS would have to already be talking in quite a lot of detail to developers about what's going inside the thing. That suggests plenty of time to work on the outside.
So if released, say, November 2017, when do we think the box will be "done", so that they have enough time for mass production, transit and distribution?
There's so much talk about the insides of this machine and, bar refinements, MS would have to already be talking in quite a lot of detail to developers about what's going inside the thing. That suggests plenty of time to work on the outside.
So if released, say, November 2017, when do we think the box will be "done", so that they have enough time for mass production, transit and distribution?
You just read Scorpio and start to see red, huh?
Go show me where I talked about Scorpio and it was completely 100% off topic. Go on.
StereoVsn
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I was waiting for this. We need that crazy Ken here. Scorpio too cheap?
