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[SafeOrAlone]

Nah, the Mysterio sequences get too much credit imo. They are standard cgi sequences, which the film, sadly, probably built itself around. The most striking part is the question of how Beck was able to program all the elements that were so personal to Peter in such a short amount of time. I suspend my imagination all the time, but they are asking a lot with the drone pseudoscience. It doesn’t make any sense.

The final action scene does have some cool camera work, like the shots of Spider-Man taking on drones under the bridge. Still, it has nothing on the Raimi action sequences and camera work, such as we saw in the swing sequences or train fight from SM2. Different leagues.

There are also other elements undercutting that final scene, like all the tension-deflating jokes, having to watch the kids and Happy run around doing comedy bits, etc.

 

[SafeOrAlone]

This was one of my biggest gripes. The constant onslaught of crappy Marvel humour that didn't land. The scene with Nick Fury in Peter's room with the constant knocking on the door was the upmost cringe and completely unfunny. That and this version of MJ is just shit.

Yeah, the MJ & Peter relationship does absolutely nothing for me. I want to like them as a couple, but I have nothing to go off of. They have these little awkward, sarcastic encounters, that fail to actually build chemistry.
I have a feeling the third one will be better about this, but it’s just a feeling.

I agree that the Fury sequence was really poor. Not only was the comedy not landing, but it was weird that Peter was having to defend himself for being a kid on a school vacation, while Fury grows irritated with him for the interruptions. Call Fury a skrull, but it still feels like an awkward scene that doesn’t really add up.
Parker should be the one annoyed with Fury, seeing as he is trying to get away from all this stuff and the dude is about to destroy his secret identity, while shooting his friends with tranqs. But for the sake of comedy, they have Peter do his little "gee willickers" routine.

 

[The Skull]

It's frustrating because I do like Tom Holland as Spidey but the material is letting him down. Hoping No Way Home ups the game and seeing him with Garfield and Maguire will be great (Pretty sure it is all but confirmed at this point).

 

[O-N-E]

Not a fan of the conflict in a story being a screw-up by the main character.

 

[ZywyPL]

seeing him with Garfield and Maguire will be great

It's already been done:

 

[MastaKiiLA]

I didn't know Tom Holland had a gaf account.

That's an original and clever take.

Nice! I never saw that. I've seen Holland's tumbling a lot, so it lands better when I see him thrown on the mask. Unlike Tobey who wasn't particularly convincing. I wasn't a real fan of brooding and moody Peter that Tobey played, nor the more wise-cracking Spidey that Garfield played. That and Garfield would have to play adult Peter at this point, as he was already at the edge of believability for a hs kid in his movies.

At the end of the day, Garfield wasn't a bad fit for the character, but got done in by how absolutely terrible Amazing Spider-man 2 was. When you're able to outbad Raimi's third film, you've found the bottom of a really pitiful crater. I can't blame Garfield for that. The casting itself wasn't bad. That movie feels like it was a major failure in direction/production. Holland's great for the role though, and is young enough to carry the MCU through to the Kang or Celestials climax that the next few phases are probably building to.

 

[Stitch]

I always thought of him as a wise sage but he's just a fumbling idiot in this trailer. Wearing his cape over a winter jacket is just... wtf.

"Oops I got distracted and messed up this crazy insanely powerful and dangerous spell and fucked up the entire Multiverse", come on dude. Hopefully there's a reason for all that.

Maybe he's actually a Skrull

 

[TGO]

That's an original and clever take.

Nice! I never saw that. I've seen Holland's tumbling a lot, so it lands better when I see him thrown on the mask. Unlike Tobey who wasn't particularly convincing. I wasn't a real fan of brooding and moody Peter that Tobey played, nor the more wise-cracking Spidey that Garfield played. That and Garfield would have to play adult Peter at this point, as he was already at the edge of believability for a hs kid in his movies.

At the end of the day, Garfield wasn't a bad fit for the character, but got done in by how absolutely terrible Amazing Spider-man 2 was. When you're able to outbad Raimi's third film, you've found the bottom of a really pitiful crater. I can't blame Garfield for that. The casting itself wasn't bad. That movie feels like it was a major failure in direction/production. Holland's great for the role though, and is young enough to carry the MCU through to the Kang or Celestials climax that the next few phases are probably building to.

Yeah I think people miss understand my comments on Tom, I like him.
I just think the movie's could be better.
They're not terrible movie's, I don't think any of the Spidy films are actually terrible.
They all have their flaws, some more then most.

 

[DeceptiveAlarm]

That's an original and clever take.

Thank you.

 

[SafeOrAlone]

Since we are talking about past movies, I'll rank my favorite Spider-Man solo films.

1. Spider-Man 2: Easily the best. It brings you down into the trenches with Peter Parker in a way the other films haven't been able to do. It's a result of the writing, acting, direction, and pacing all coming together in harmony. The emotional element at play here is exactly what a movie like FFH is missing, for me. Secondly, the action is incredible! The train fight is still one of, if not the absolute best comic book action scenes put on film. Oh, and the score too. What can I even say about it? It's tragic and triumphant all at once. Spider-Man 2 may be the best superhero film, alongside The Dark Knight.

2. Homecoming: In one word - charming. I love the down-to-earth nature of this one. At least as down to earth as you can be in the MCU. It really captures the feel of a "friendly neighborhood Spider-Man". Stuff like Spider-Man crashing into a backyard tent, or accidentally apprehending someone for trying to "break into" their own car was just great. While these movies sort of miss the emotional aspect of "Spider-Man 2", Homecoming excels at this aspect, more so than the Raimi films, imo. Plus, it was just cool seeing Spider-Man alongside Iron Man. Civil War capitalized on that first, but still nice to see here, even if they may have gone too far with the Iron Man connection at this point.

3. Spider-Man: This one did almost everything right, even though if it didn't excel in any given category as much as later entries. They nail the origin, and capture the tragic side of the character. They set the foundation of what a Spider-Man movie could be. When I go back to it now, there are a lot of corny moments, but it has it's own charm. Wilem Dafoe was great, but the costume hindered his overall performance.

4. The Amazing Spider-Man: There's a lot about this film that doesn't work for me. The plot is actually pretty bad and Peter may be a bit too cool. At the same time, Andrew and Emma perform wonderfully and there is a cool visual style with some nice effects. I enjoy the showdown between Peter and Connors, at the school, quite a bit. And I'm one of the few who actually like what they did with the costume. Is it better than the original take? No, but it worked for me.

5. Far From Home: It's has the comedy down pretty well, but pretty much everything else falls flat for me. The Mysterio scenes are often praised, but there is nothing particularly creative about them to me. They're not actually cerebral in any sense. I find them to be pretty cookie-cutter, really. "Oooh zombie Iron Man. Oooh girlfriend falling off a bridge." You could have done so much more with Mysterio's powers, but it's boiled down to a small set-piece where Spider-Man sees a few holograms. Keeping on the action, the final showdown has a few cool shots of Spider-Man using his webs to take on drones, but it's cgi overload, with all the drones, the fake monsters, the rushed Spider-Man animations that just barely suspend disbelief. Then they intercut the cgi-fest with comedy scenes of Happy and Peter's classmates, which really deflates the tension. That said, I do appreciate that they tried to mix things up by taking us overseas. I really like the vacation vibe and concept.

5. Spider-Man 3: A mixed bag, that comes out a bit more sour than sweet, in the end. The musical score is goofy. Both the "dark Peter" aspect and Venom fell flat. It's jarring going from Spider-Man 2 to this one. It's like the heart was ripped out. It does have some great moments though. The action scenes are pretty well done, but again, don't exceed or live up to Spider-Man 2. There's an enjoyment in seeing some of the character arcs come to a close, without the story falling completely off the rails.

6. Amazing Spider-Man 2: Where to begin? It's a mess. I think some of the action scenes, combined with the score work really well though. As a visual piece, it can be pretty fun to watch.

 

[ManaByte]

Sony is DMCAing the leaked photo of Tobey and Andrew. It's real.

 

[NickFire]

Well, I guess I need to give the multiverse a chance. I've been completely against it due to the cheapness of death it can lead to. But no way am I missing this movie, so I might as well go with the flow.

 

[TGO]

Since we are talking about past movies, I'll rank my favorite Spider-Man solo films.

1. Spider-Man 2: Easily the best. It brings you down into the trenches with Peter Parker in a way the other films haven't been able to do. It's a result of the writing, acting, direction, and pacing all coming together in harmony. The emotional element at play here is exactly what a movie like FFH is missing, for me. Secondly, the action is incredible! The train fight is still one of, if not the absolute best comic book action scenes put on film. Oh, and the score too. What can I even say about it? It's tragic and triumphant all at once. Spider-Man 2 may be the best superhero film, alongside The Dark Knight.

2. Homecoming: In one word - charming. I love the down-to-earth nature of this one. At least as down to earth as you can be in the MCU. It really captures the feel of a "friendly neighborhood Spider-Man". Stuff like Spider-Man crashing into a backyard tent, or accidentally apprehending someone for trying to "break into" their own car was just great. While these movies sort of miss the emotional aspect of "Spider-Man 2", Homecoming excels at this aspect, more so than the Raimi films, imo. Plus, it was just cool seeing Spider-Man alongside Iron Man. Civil War capitalized on that first, but still nice to see here, even if they may have gone too far with the Iron Man connection at this point.

3. Spider-Man: This one did almost everything right, even though if it didn't excel in any given category as much as later entries. They nail the origin, and capture the tragic side of the character. They set the foundation of what a Spider-Man movie could be. When I go back to it now, there are a lot of corny moments, but it has it's own charm. Wilem Dafoe was great, but the costume hindered his overall performance.

4. The Amazing Spider-Man: There's a lot about this film that doesn't work for me. The plot is actually pretty bad and Peter may be a bit too cool. At the same time, Andrew and Emma perform wonderfully and there is a cool visual style with some nice effects. I enjoy the showdown between Peter and Connors, at the school, quite a bit. And I'm one of the few who actually like what they did with the costume. Is it better than the original take? No, but it worked for me.

5. Far From Home: It's has the comedy down pretty well, but pretty much everything else falls flat for me. The Mysterio scenes are often praised, but there is nothing particularly creative about them to me. They're not actually cerebral in any sense. I find them to be pretty cookie-cutter, really. "Oooh zombie Iron Man. Oooh girlfriend falling off a bridge." You could have done so much more with Mysterio's powers, but it's boiled down to a small set-piece where Spider-Man sees a few holograms. Keeping on the action, the final showdown has a few cool shots of Spider-Man using his webs to take on drones, but it's cgi overload, with all the drones, the fake monsters, the rushed Spider-Man animations that just barely suspend disbelief. Then they intercut the cgi-fest with comedy scenes of Happy and Peter's classmates, which really deflates the tension. That said, I do appreciate that they tried to mix things up by taking us overseas. I really like the vacation vibe and concept.

5. Spider-Man 3: A mixed bag, that comes out a bit more sour than sweet, in the end. The musical score is goofy. Both the "dark Peter" aspect and Venom fell flat. It's jarring going from Spider-Man 2 to this one. It's like the heart was ripped out. It does have some great moments though. The action scenes are pretty well done, but again, don't exceed or live up to Spider-Man 2. There's an enjoyment in seeing some of the character arcs come to a close, without the story falling completely off the rails.

6. Amazing Spider-Man 2: Where to begin? It's a mess. I think some of the action scenes, combined with the score work really well though. As a visual piece, it can be pretty fun to watch.

Interesting..
If you put Homecoming at the bottom this is kinda similar to my list.
Although I don't know about about TASM2
there are scenes & set pieces in there that overshadow the likes the others films higher on the list which makes it hard to justify slapping it at the bottom.
Film could of done with a 2.1 Cut to tidy it up.
Get rid of Rino too

 

[SafeOrAlone]

Interesting..
If you put Homecoming at the bottom this is kinda similar to my list.
Although I don't know about about TASM2
there are scenes & set pieces in there that overshadow the likes the others films higher on the list which makes it hard to justify slapping it at the bottom.
Film could of done with a 2.1 Cut to tidy it up.
Get rid of Rino too

I had some trouble ranking the bottom half. They are all mixed bags to me, that turned out a little on the bad side.
TASM 2 did have some great action set pieces. On a different day, it could be a spot or two higher.

 

[Star-Lord]

Sony is DMCAing the leaked photo of Tobey and Andrew. It's real.

I'm looking forward to Maguire, not so much Garfield. His portrayal of Parker/Spider-Man was too cool and too cocky, and just didn't sit well with me. I know a lot of people hated on Maguire for his portrayal of Spider-Man in the third film, but that sat well with me considering he was being manipulated/changed by the symbiotic suit, but Garfield's Spider-Man was...well, it wasn't Spider-Man. Anyway, I'll still watch the film to see how it all goes down. I wonder if we'll get both Maguire Green Goblin and Garfield Green Goblin.

 

[Pagusas]

I'm looking forward to Maguire, not so much Garfield. His portrayal of Parker/Spider-Man was too cool and too cocky, and just didn't sit well with me. I know a lot of people hated on Maguire for his portrayal of Spider-Man in the third film, but that sat well with me considering he was being manipulated/changed by the symbiotic suit, but Garfield's Spider-Man was...well, it wasn't Spider-Man. Anyway, I'll still watch the film to see how it all goes down. I wonder if we'll get both Maguire Green Goblin and Garfield Green Goblin.

I wonder if they'll use this opportunity to close out Garfield's story, given he never got his third movie.

 

[Star-Lord]

I wonder if they'll use this opportunity to close out Garfield's story, given he never got his third movie.

I cared so little for Garfield's Spider-Man that I've genuinely forgotten how his arc had developed. I remember Gwen dying, and...that's it.

 

[YukiOnna]

They're all kind of hanging so maybe. Raimi Spiderman was supposed to continue, but was cancelled and then the same for Webb's.

 

[Kraz]

Spidey always struck me as the best qualities of the introverted, educated, well-meaning, city urban, all-American teenager taken to an ideological limit. Does his best to learn and better. Struggle between self and community. Private and public face. Coming of age struggle, personal difficulties, getting the job done right next time, that stuff mapped out into mythology.

Admitted, that's based on only a few cartoons, comics and movies and I might have thought that if not articulated it that way.

 

[BadBurger]

I think all iterations on Spider Man are solid in some way, but Tom's movies are 2nd best. It may be my Raimi/Tobey era bias, but they're not the stories I wanted dealt with and had some weird changes. Still solid. What carries Tom Holland Spiderman for me is the character arc that deals with things outside his movies.

Yea, I like Holland as Peter - finally someone who looks like a teenager, does a Queen's accent, is quirky and hopeful, and just the right amount of nerdy for Peter.

What I don't like is the MJ that isn't MJ, Flash being a rich kid prick rather than a jock prick, the move to an apartment rather than the classic brownstone, and the heavy reliance upon Tony Stark from the word go, providing no time for Peter to truly become and grow into Spider-Man on his own.

Even as relentlessly melancholy as the Raimi/McGuire movies were, at least the stories really felt like Spider-Man stories.

 

[Javthusiast]

 

[sol_bad]

I can't stand the Amazing Spider-Man films, especially with Pete lying to George about not involving Gwen in his life. Promises are made to be broken, blergh. It's made even worse after having read the comics recently where George asks Pete to look after Gwen, why couldn't the film do that? Why did they have to make Pete look like a jack ass?

I also can't suspend my imagination when Pete gets shot by a gun and is in serious pain, add a bit of webbing to the wound and then he is perfectly fine in ASM. And also New York conveniently has cranes on every building rooftop for Pete to get to his exact destination?
<_____<

 

[Javthusiast]

I like Garfield in the role but yeah both his movies were meh. The only really good thing about them was cute Emma Stone.

 

[TGO]

I cared so little for Garfield's Spider-Man that I've genuinely forgotten how his arc had developed. I remember Gwen dying, and...that's it.

Garfield's Spider-Man story was very sad, he had lost a lot by the end of TASM2.
More so them Raimi's Peter.
But it was needed for him to become the character he needed to be.
Some Tom's Spidy completely lacks.
But that's gonna be resolved in No Way Home

They're all kind of hanging so maybe. Raimi Spiderman was supposed to continue, but was cancelled and then the same for Webb's.

Garfield's contract was till 2024
Longer then Holland's, they clearly had plans

 

[Reptars Revenge]

Didn't Gwen die?

Multiverse shenanigans

 

[trikster40]

I still can’t tell if that’s the Lizard, Venom, heck maybe it’s the symbiote without a host. That frame is just too dark and blurry.

 

[UnNamed]

The idea of

Spoiler

Mephisto

is good actually, this would explain why a character like Strange act like a jerk and almost destroy the Multiverse just for a favour.

 

[Star-Lord]

I still can’t tell if that’s the Lizard, Venom, heck maybe it’s the symbiote without a host. That frame is just too dark and blurry.

Rumours suggest we could see the introduction/formation of the Sinister Six, so I wouldn't be surprised if Venom makes an appearence, or possibly Sandman, depending on which iteration of the SS we're getting.

 

[SidViscous]

Rumours suggest we could see the introduction/formation of the Sinister Six, so I wouldn't be surprised if Venom makes an appearence, or possibly Sandman, depending on which iteration of the SS we're getting.

It looks like Sandman protects him from one of electros bolts in the trailer. I'm curious how they get around some of the villains having had their redemption arc already if they are using the ramiverse characters.

 

[Razvedka]

It looks like Sandman protects him from one of electros bolts in the trailer. I'm curious how they get around some of the villains having had their redemption arc already if they are using the ramiverse characters.

Well as I recall, Green Goblin went insane from the gas stuff that he inhaled. It also made him superhuman.

I think he only 'returned to sanity' when he accidentally killed himself on the bridge fighting Spiderman and he made up to Peter. So if this is the same Goblin with that stuff pumped through him than he is coocoo for cocopuffs. Doc Ock is also likely being controlled by his arms again too.

Sandman is a better question considering he 'got away' at the end of Spiderman 3 and was never insane to begin with.

 

[trikster40]

Rumours suggest we could see the introduction/formation of the Sinister Six, so I wouldn't be surprised if Venom makes an appearence, or possibly Sandman, depending on which iteration of the SS we're getting.

I definitely think Sandman was in the trailer, a couple of scenes with way to much dirt flying around. We got Doc Ock, Green Goblin (most likely), Electro, Vukture exists at least, maybe they pull Mysterio from another universe that isn’t dead? We know Kraven has his own standalone movie down the line.

 

[Toons]

BUt thE emmCEEYUUU diEd afTeR EndGaMe!!11

 

[Star-Lord]

I definitely think Sandman was in the trailer, a couple of scenes with way to much dirt flying around. We got Doc Ock, Green Goblin (most likely), Electro, Vukture exists at least, maybe they pull Mysterio from another universe that isn’t dead? We know Kraven has his own standalone movie down the line.

Given that both Maguire and Garfield are confirmed, and both iterations had a fight with Green Goblin, I'd say it's safe to assume that we'll get at least one version of Green Goblin in NWH. I'd love to see both portrayals. Though I disliked Garfield's Spider-Man, Green Goblin from TASM 2 was fairly decent, though no comparison to Defoe's portrayal. Seeing them work together/fight together could be interesting. Either way, this could see the set-up of the Sinister Six which could, in turn, be the next Big Bad for the next phase for the MCU.

 

[Javthusiast]

Dafoes Goblin, Doc Ock, Sandman, Electro, Lizard and either Michael Keatons Vulture, Michael Mandos Scorpion or a faked his death Mysterio to round up the Sinister Six team.

 

[ManaByte]

Dafoes Goblin, Doc Ock, Sandman, Electro, Lizard and either Michael Keatons Vulture, Michael Mandos Scorpion or a faked his death Mysterio to round up the Sinister Six team.

1. Goblin
2. Doc Ock
3. Electro
4. Sandman
5. Lizard
6. Rhino (with a redesigned suit)

 

[Javthusiast]

1. Goblin
2. Doc Ock
3. Electro
4. Sandman
5. Lizard
6. Rhino (with a redesigned suit)

 

[GoldenEye Samurai]

I am hyped to see Goblin and Ock back in action. Is Maguire and Garfield really going to be in this? If so it might be the best Spider-Man film to date.

 

[Javthusiast]

I am hyped to see Goblin and Ock back in action. Is Maguire and Garfield really going to be in this? If so it might be the best Spider-Man film to date.

Spoiler

According to leaks they’ll appear somewhere in act 2 and act 3 will be the 3 Spideys (+ Strange I think) vs The Sinister Six.

 

[Orion2]

pretty weak to be honest, you can clearly see that whacky Avengers feel to it where nothing matters, no stakes, no sense for anything happening on screen

 

[Star-Lord]

pretty weak to be honest, you can clearly see that whacky Avengers feel to it where nothing matters, no stakes, no sense for anything happening on screen

Except that the events of AoU set the wheels in motion for the events of Civil War and everything after.

 

[YukiOnna]

pretty weak to be honest, you can clearly see that whacky Avengers feel to it where nothing matters, no stakes, no sense for anything happening on screen

I don't understand how you can say this post Winter Soldier. These movies are not difficult to understand nor are the repercussions exactly subtle for you to miss it.

 

[Orion2]

I don't understand how you can say this post Winter Soldier. These movies are not difficult to understand nor are the repercussions exactly subtle for you to miss it.

so we're going to act like the best movie in Marvel history, Infinite War, was not erased by time travel in Endgame? are we going to act like in this Spiderman movie, whatever happens in it, won't be reverted by the end like nothing has happened and in fact even rever events from the 2nd film so ppl don't know Peter is Spiderman anymore?

 

[sol_bad]

so we're going to act like the best movie in Marvel history, Infinite War, was not erased by time travel in Endgame? are we going to act like in this Spiderman movie, whatever happens in it, won't be reverted by the end like nothing has happened and in fact even rever events from the 2nd film so ppl don't know Peter is Spiderman anymore?

So Empire Strikes Back's ending was erased with Return of the Jedi's rescue? I don't get comments like this.
Loki, Gamora, Black Widow, Heimdell and Iron Man are dead.
We don't know if the eventual new Vision will be the same person.
Cap is forever old and out of action.
The Infinity Stones are gone from the prime MCU universe.
Look at how the world has been impacted in WandaVision and FATWS.

MCU has greater stakes than the James Bond films. Characters are constantly evolving and changing.

 

[Orion2]

Characters are constantly evolving and changing.

for the worse

 

[DeafTourette]

for the worse

As sol_bad said, endgame didn't reverse the deaths that happened in Infinity War nor Cap's old age nor is Pietro coming back.

New characters are being introduced and from the looks of it, folks loved Monica, Yelena and now Shang-Chi... We still have Eternals and characters like Kate Bishop coming ... Most movies don't have stakes... Most Bond movies, you KNOW he's going to lose the chick he JUST banged but HE and his regular crew will be just fine. Same with Ethan Hunt in the Mission Impossible movies.

You talk about stakes and danger but how many protagonists in OTHER movies come out safe and alive despite having all manner of craziness happen to them? Are THEY worse?

 

[RavenSan]

All I really ever want in a Spider-Man movie is two things:

1) Web Cartridges. Peter is supposed to be a brilliant scientific mind. Show that.
2) A proper Gwen Stacey arc. They did it in TASM2 which was great, but the movie itself was bad ;_;

If I can't have those two things, at least give me a proper Symbiote storyline. I know that's out the window now. But they had a perfect opportunity to set it up with Infinity War / Endgame, but didn't (for obvious reasons).

 

[ResilientBanana]

for the worse

that's your opinion.

 

[SafeOrAlone]

Should prob keep spoiler tags on and not spoil leaks for people just wanting to discuss trailer.

Personally, I've read the leaks, but I don't think everyone wants to know who the six are. It's fun to have the answers, but let's be courteous.

 

[Seraphym]

Since we are talking about past movies, I'll rank my favorite Spider-Man solo films.


6. Amazing Spider-Man 2: Where to begin? It's a mess. I think some of the action scenes, combined with the score work really well though. As a visual piece, it can be pretty fun to watch.

You have definitely over rated ASM2...

 

[SafeOrAlone]

You have definitely over rated ASM2...

Like another poster said, it has some cool action, visuals, and sound, but yeah, the story is so bad.
Right off the bat with the airplane opening sequence too.

Also, I feel like people praising that costume are a bit stuck on the "big eyes, just lIkE tHe cOmIcS!!" aspect, while the colors and material look horrible.